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If Dallas actually does fire Avery
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islesfan
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4/30/2008  6:32 PM
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Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
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So Avery cut off his nose to spite his face.

That doesn't exactly make me want to hire him.

??

Exactly how do you see it that way?

A couple of players partied after game 4 so Avery decides to punish the entire team and quits on them by canceling practice. What was the point in that? It only made him look bad, especially when the players decided to practice without him.

I've been on teams where if one guy misses a free throw in practice, the whole team runs. Where the coach will pick one guy (usually one of the slower guys) and if the guy finishes last in suicides, then the whole team has to do another set. That is about building solidarity and accountability.

By staying out late(however late it was) they put not only themselves but their teammates on the line. The whole team gets eliminated, not just one guy(or four).

Sometimes a coach has to be the bad guy and put it all out there and risk looking like a dumb ass. You see it as the team choose to practice in spite of Avery canceling it on them.

I see it as the team chose to come together BECAUSE Avery canceled practice. To me, that team reacted EXACTLY how any coach would want their team to react to that situation. Avery was facing an elimination game and he needed this team to come together. Sometimes the best way to bring everyone together as a true team is to give them 1 common cause to fight against(or maybe an ******* coach who they want to prove wrong).

I understand the whole motivational tactic thing but that one backfired on Avery and only made him look bad. That might work with a young team but not with a veteran team like the Mavs, who for the most part had been together for awhile and were in the Finals 2 years ago.

and if they are such the veteran team then they should already know better about the partying. And I don't think missing 1 practice after a long hard year was going to get them on track, do you?

It couldn't hurt. But conversely, I don't think trying to teach them a lesson by canceling practice was going to get them on track.

Bottom line

Winning % .735
Nearly[and was jobbed] won NBA championship 3 years ago
Nearly won 70 games 2 years ago
43 years old
Played PG on championship team
High quality charachter and work ethic

What else can you want right now for a coach? Someone who has no experience? A 60 year old retread?
This is how Ernie G and Dave Checkketes would have done business--no doubt about it. He is a very good fit for the club and I bet he is quite motivated.

He took a good team, kept them winning and then lost them in 3 1/2 years.

Nobody is saying that he's not a good coach but for this rebuilding situation, I don't think he's the right fit.
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4/30/2008  7:07 PM
On Sportscenter, J Terry said something to the effect, of, and I'm obviously paraphrasing, that Avery took a "soft team" that cared little about defense, and turned them into a defensive-minded club that almost won a title. He also said that Avery was instrumental in turning him into a better player on the court, and a better man off it.

Not your standard, by-the-number pleasantries for an exiting coach.
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4/30/2008  7:27 PM
Posted by sebstar:

On Sportscenter, J Terry said something to the effect, of, and I'm obviously paraphrasing, that Avery took a "soft team" that cared little about defense, and turned them into a defensive-minded club that almost won a title. He also said that Avery was instrumental in turning him into a better player on the court, and a better man off it.

Not your standard, by-the-number pleasantries for an exiting coach.


The key now is for the Knicks to work this. There are way to many teams in need of a coach. It's ok to be patient in certain areas but in the limited area of supply and demand you have to go out and get the guy now.
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4/30/2008  11:54 PM
he blew it vs. the warriors when he changed the starting lineup of a 67 win team in game 1 of the first round to matchup with the 8th seed. nellie outcoached him that series. nothing to be ashamed of but he panicked for no reason.

but the year before, he got the team to buy into defense and got them to the finals.

he's a young developing coach so i think he can become better.
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5/1/2008  6:27 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:

So Avery cut off his nose to spite his face.

That doesn't exactly make me want to hire him.

??

Exactly how do you see it that way?

A couple of players partied after game 4 so Avery decides to punish the entire team and quits on them by canceling practice. What was the point in that? It only made him look bad, especially when the players decided to practice without him.

That does seem to be a bad move by Johnson, although you never know about things like that when you're not there. It's certainly something that should be brought up in the interview. That said, Johnson is a good coach who stresses d and, along with Jackson , Mitchell (if he's fired), D'Antoni and Thibodeau are the ones that deserve serious attention. We are fortunate in that we have several good candidates at this time.

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5/1/2008  9:01 AM
dallas kept trading the bigs that were role players.

Avery cancelling practice was a last ditch effort to get the team to be accountable to each other.

Cuban sits behind the bench and both coachs and players don't like it.

He is too hands on and Avery owes his gig to Cuban not his coaching experience elsewhwere so he can't tell the guy to back off.

Avery on this team would be rough until the roster gets turned over.

Its obvious Josh Howard is a bit immature and likes living the "life" of an NBA playa. Kudos to Avery to stand up!

Now problem is this is not a good fit with our gazy men but like I said this should be the direction we should go in.

Spurs seem to do well with a no nonsense atmosphere with vets showing the youthier players the way. Its called Culture. Dallas needs to win now where we don't have that pressure. We need to create a culture of professionalism.
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5/1/2008  4:34 PM
Basically Mark Cuban and Avery Johnson don't get along anymore, this is the main reason why he was let go so soon.

That Jason Kidd trade was the straw that broke the camels back.

Kidd is known as a coach killer and Avery needed a pg who could stick with CP3 a little better than the slow footed Jason Kidd.

Since Dirk didn't show he was a capable leader on the court , cuban chose Jkidd a proven leader , but what he didn't count is he didn't have a back up defensive guard who could stay in front of quick pg's.

That trade for kidd and the softness of Nowitzki and the impatience of Mark Cuban knocked Dallas down a few pegs.

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5/1/2008  7:27 PM
Posted by Nalod:

dallas kept trading the bigs that were role players.

Avery cancelling practice was a last ditch effort to get the team to be accountable to each other.

Cuban sits behind the bench and both coachs and players don't like it.

He is too hands on and Avery owes his gig to Cuban not his coaching experience elsewhwere so he can't tell the guy to back off.

Avery on this team would be rough until the roster gets turned over.

Its obvious Josh Howard is a bit immature and likes living the "life" of an NBA playa. Kudos to Avery to stand up!

Now problem is this is not a good fit with our gazy men but like I said this should be the direction we should go in.

Spurs seem to do well with a no nonsense atmosphere with vets showing the youthier players the way. Its called Culture. Dallas needs to win now where we don't have that pressure. We need to create a culture of professionalism.

I agree with you 100%. Let Avery come in here and kick some ass on this team. Hopefully if some of the players buck under Avery, we get rid of the players instead of getting rid of the coach. I want someone to come in here and tell Curry and Q to lose the 100 lbs of jelly that those two lug around with them wherever they go, I want someone to tell Crawford and Randolph that they can score all they want, but if they dont play defense they wont play. We need a hard ass like Avery to come. He def has my vote over Jackson.
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5/1/2008  9:40 PM
Avery shouldn't have been fired. He didn't want Kidd. When you look at the trade it is almost as lopsided as the Gasol trade. Devin Harris, 2 first round picks, 3 million, Hassell and Diop. I am not sure if it frees up cap space for the Nets but Thorn fleeced them. Kidd is almost 35 and has already had micro fracture surgery.
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5/1/2008  9:40 PM
Avery shouldn't have been fired. He didn't want Kidd. When you look at the trade it is almost as lopsided as the Gasol trade. Devin Harris, 2 first round picks, 3 million, Hassell and Diop. I am not sure if it frees up cap space for the Nets but Thorn fleeced them. Kidd is almost 35 and has already had micro fracture surgery.
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5/2/2008  7:53 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:

So Avery cut off his nose to spite his face.

That doesn't exactly make me want to hire him.

??

Exactly how do you see it that way?

A couple of players partied after game 4 so Avery decides to punish the entire team and quits on them by canceling practice. What was the point in that? It only made him look bad, especially when the players decided to practice without him.

He canceled practice to send a message... u guys aren't gunna listen to me, fine. lets see who really wants this. The players who practiced anyways passed the test.

U don't have a party during a playoff series can u imagine that in the early 90s? Good lord.

Ps one of the main problems wit our team is our guys r drunks and party a lot. Especially q rich I see him out in NY all the freekin time
If Dallas actually does fire Avery

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