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4/23/2008  1:55 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Chris Paul was is and always has been the MVP of the 2008-2009 season.

whatever happened to Baron Davis & T-Mac? you were riding both those guys' coattails pretty hard during the regular season.

Baron and Tmac in the MVP race ? True, say it ain't so.


It Ain't exactly so here's what I said TMS FAILS as usual....
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26045
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03-13-2008 3:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Nalod:

The team is winning!
If they finish 1st in the west in the regular season, then he should get it!

Kobe has done a great job this year and I'd say he is the man now.

I feel Paul has done more. The Lakers were playing well before Bynum went down, when he did they sputtered a tad and immediately they made a trade for Gasol. This is when really took off. So Kobe's efforts should be looked at objectively.

I'd go

1. Paul
2. K.G.
3. Lebron
4. Kobe/T-Mac(he's rising rapidly)


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-23-2008 09:44 AM]

not sure where i failed when it was you who posted this thread titled "Is T-Mac an MVP candidate"... there were other threads in which you were hugging on Baron Davis' nuts too... if i had as much extra time as you i'd go track it down for u.

as for the T-Mac trade proposal u claim i'm still "bitter" over, ur wrong on that one as well... it was an idea posted to get opinions on to see whether or not it was a feasible plan... you make it seem as if i said the Rockets should be beating down our door to do the deal... twisting people's words? i think you got that area downpat son.
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4/23/2008  2:00 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Chris Paul was is and always has been the MVP of the 2008-2009 season.

whatever happened to Baron Davis & T-Mac? you were riding both those guys' coattails pretty hard during the regular season.

Baron and Tmac in the MVP race ? True, say it ain't so.


It Ain't exactly so here's what I said TMS FAILS as usual....
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26045
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03-13-2008 3:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Nalod:

The team is winning!
If they finish 1st in the west in the regular season, then he should get it!

Kobe has done a great job this year and I'd say he is the man now.

I feel Paul has done more. The Lakers were playing well before Bynum went down, when he did they sputtered a tad and immediately they made a trade for Gasol. This is when really took off. So Kobe's efforts should be looked at objectively.

I'd go

1. Paul
2. K.G.
3. Lebron
4. Kobe/T-Mac(he's rising rapidly)


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-23-2008 09:44 AM]

not sure where i failed when it was you who posted this thread titled "Is T-Mac an MVP candidate"... there were other threads in which you were hugging on Baron Davis' nuts too... if i had as much extra time as you i'd go track it down for u.

as for the T-Mac trade proposal u claim i'm still "bitter" over, ur wrong on that one as well... it was an idea posted to get opinions on to see whether or not it was a feasible plan... you make it seem as if i said the Rockets should be beating down our door to do the deal... twisting people's words? i think you got that area downpat son.

Hmm... TMS vs. TrueBlue in a steel cage match with Jessica Alba as the special guest referee. This Sunday on Pay-Per-View.
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4/23/2008  3:23 PM
be prepared to see Bonn sneaking in w/a steel chair while i got TB in an arm bar.
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4/23/2008  3:29 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Chris Paul was is and always has been the MVP of the 2008-2009 season.

whatever happened to Baron Davis & T-Mac? you were riding both those guys' coattails pretty hard during the regular season.

He never said they were MVPs. He just said that T-Mac was substantially better than Jamal and that no one would take on extra salary just to get Jamal to replace T-Mac (your proposal).

Bonn, if u don't know what you're even talking about please stay out of the discussion... the MVP label was thrown around in relation to both players by your best friend here... stop trying to bring up completely unrelated discussions into this debate (an unrelated debate that you're also not even accurately relaying for that matter).

[Edited by - TMS on 04-23-2008 01:53 AM]

Dude, chill out. That's not cool. I remember trueblue putting T-Mac like 5th in his list of candidates. Is that what you're referring to? If so, I don't see how that contradicts anything he's said.
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4/23/2008  3:36 PM
Posted by Solace:

Hmm... TMS vs. TrueBlue in a steel cage match with Jessica Alba as the special guest referee. This Sunday on Pay-Per-View.

Make it Hell In a Cell and you got a buy.

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4/23/2008  3:42 PM
Posted by K22:
Posted by Solace:

Hmm... TMS vs. TrueBlue in a steel cage match with Jessica Alba as the special guest referee. This Sunday on Pay-Per-View.

Make it Hell In a Cell and you got a buy.

Hahaha. Deal.

Also on the card:

* Islesfan vs. Oohah in a first blood match

* Zach Randolph and bitty vs. David Lee and King1

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4/23/2008  3:48 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Chris Paul was is and always has been the MVP of the 2008-2009 season.

whatever happened to Baron Davis & T-Mac? you were riding both those guys' coattails pretty hard during the regular season.

Baron and Tmac in the MVP race ? True, say it ain't so.


It Ain't exactly so here's what I said TMS FAILS as usual....
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26045
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03-13-2008 3:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Nalod:

The team is winning!
If they finish 1st in the west in the regular season, then he should get it!

Kobe has done a great job this year and I'd say he is the man now.

I feel Paul has done more. The Lakers were playing well before Bynum went down, when he did they sputtered a tad and immediately they made a trade for Gasol. This is when really took off. So Kobe's efforts should be looked at objectively.

I'd go

1. Paul
2. K.G.
3. Lebron
4. Kobe/T-Mac(he's rising rapidly)


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-23-2008 09:44 AM]

not sure where i failed when it was you who posted this thread titled "Is T-Mac an MVP candidate"... there were other threads in which you were hugging on Baron Davis' nuts too... if i had as much extra time as you i'd go track it down for u.

as for the T-Mac trade proposal u claim i'm still "bitter" over, ur wrong on that one as well... it was an idea posted to get opinions on to see whether or not it was a feasible plan... you make it seem as if i said the Rockets should be beating down our door to do the deal... twisting people's words? i think you got that area downpat son.


There's a huge difference between CANDIDATE and MVP WINNER. It was posed as a question which means if it's questionable he isn't a clear cut winner as I clearly showed I had Paul being. Huggin on Baron's nuts is no more different than someone who was all over Dwight Howard's, both aren't going to win the award I don't get your point. I never once had Baron or T-Mac above Paul. I've also given plenty other players props this season. Why did you leave out Calderon, Monta Ellis, Biendrins? I talked about them equally as much off and on.

It doesn't matter, my list shows proof where I had Paul and where I had T-Mac and Baron. Just because I may like other players games and speak about them in high regards in no way suggest I ignore players worthy of the highest regards and rewards.

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4/23/2008  5:00 PM
^ LOL. This political vendetta you two have going on is hilarious ! Keep it coming all summer long fellas
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4/23/2008  5:07 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

^ LOL. This political vendetta you two have going on is hilarious ! Keep it coming all summer long fellas
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4/23/2008  5:19 PM
I wrote in my blog a month ago why Paul should be MVP. There is no doubt in my mind that Paul should get it. However, Kobe has not received a MVP so it is Kobes turn.

here are my reasons

http://forum.realknicks.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1467

[Edited by - BigC on 04-23-2008 5:20 PM]
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4/23/2008  7:01 PM
Posted by BigC:

I wrote in my blog a month ago why Paul should be MVP. There is no doubt in my mind that Paul should get it. However, Kobe has not received a MVP so it is Kobes turn.

here are my reasons

http://forum.realknicks.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1467

[Edited by - BigC on 04-23-2008 5:20 PM]

You hit the nail on the head. The NBA MVP is the most discriminatory award of all sport awards handed out. They use a different criteria every yr. There's no rhyme of reason as to how they go about determining a true winner. You're right It's Kobe's turn this yr all because he played team ball. Although there will be many in agreement with this outcome we'll hear from myriads of others how Paul should have won it, when his team advances farther than Kobe's. Then next yr it will be Paul's trun although Dwight Howard and Lebron will probably do something never witnessed in human history yet alone NBA history and then the following yr it will be Lebron's turn and so on and so forth.

It's really a joke award altogether.

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4/23/2008  7:50 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Paul's Hornets made a 17gm improvement from last yr

Kobe's Lakers made a 15gm improvement from last yr.

Chris Paul almost did what no player has ever done in NBA HISTORY and that's average 20/ppg 10ast/ppg and 3stl/gm. He made one player an All-Star in West and almost got Tyson in himself.

The only thing Kobe really has on Paul is a 1gm better season team record.

I'll tell you one other thing Kobe has on Paul. He's a better player.
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Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Paul's Hornets made a 17gm improvement from last yr

Kobe's Lakers made a 15gm improvement from last yr.

Chris Paul almost did what no player has ever done in NBA HISTORY and that's average 20/ppg 10ast/ppg and 3stl/gm. He made one player an All-Star in West and almost got Tyson in himself.

The only thing Kobe really has on Paul is a 1gm better season team record.

I'll tell you one other thing Kobe has on Paul. He's a better player.


It would be kind of odd to look back at Kobe's career after he retires and realize he had never won an MVP award despite being the best player in the league for years.
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4/23/2008  9:11 PM
As much as I don' tlike Kobe Bryant, I have to say the odds were higher against him the Chris Paul. I think Paul is just a sick player but as far as MVP goes, Kobe played the best team ball of his career this year. I guess he's finally maturing.
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4/24/2008  1:31 AM
Some things to keep in mind:
Kobe has been killing for many years now, is the best player in the league, imo, and is not a young guy anymore, he's a vet. He will get the MVP because its close, and Kobe has been so good for so long and never won it. He should have won it in one of those Nash years, but he was shafted, imo. Kobe wins it.

Chris Paul has his whole career ahead of him.

Dont think the people voting aren't thinking like this, not to mention Kobe is the face of the league (with Lebron), it makes good business sense. Paul will be high on a throne in the next years, but non fanatic b-ball people dont know enough about him for him to get it.

btw, I love Paul, he's amazing and the argument can be made for him to get it, these are just my thoughts.
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4/24/2008  1:33 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Some things to keep in mind:
Kobe has been killing for many years now, is the best player in the league, imo, and is not a young guy anymore, he's a vet. He will get the MVP because its close, and Kobe has been so good for so long and never won it. He should have won it in one of those Nash years, but he was shafted, imo. Kobe wins it.

Chris Paul has his whole career ahead of him.

Dont think the people voting aren't thinking like this, not to mention Kobe is the face of the league (with Lebron), it makes good business sense. Paul will be high on a throne in the next years, but non fanatic b-ball people dont know enough about him for him to get it.

btw, I love Paul, he's amazing and the argument can be made for him to get it, these are just my thoughts.

Good post. I agree 100%. Kobe will get it because he's been THAT good for about a decade now. Paul has his whole career ahead of him, while Bryant is about halfway into his and still hasn't won one. This MVP that Kobe will be getting will be indicative of his performance this year as well as previous years, although past years don't count obviously, but in Kobe's case you have to go back and consider them.
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4/24/2008  4:06 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Not to take away from Chris Paul's accomplishments. If he were to win it I wouldn't be mad at all because he deserves it as well.

But Paul had West, Peja, & Chandler for most of the season and didn't have to worry about any serious injuries to that core. Kobe only had Lamar Odom for most of the season. Gasol & Bynum *combined* didn't plays as many games as West, Peja, or Chandler each had.

Even though Paul leading the Hornets to the 2nd best record in the West definatly makes Paul worthy of the MVP. Lakers had no business winning out the West with all the injuries that they went through and how tough the west was this yr. They won out the West in the toughest yr the west ever had while dealing with 2 key injuries to core players. Thats impressive.

They also played head to head in one of the final games of the season and the Lakers beat the Hornets to take first place from them. That I guess could be the deciding vote.

NO's starters stayed healthy, but they had one of the thinnest benches around.
Lakers benefited from Bynum's emergence, Pau's arrival and the free pick up of Fisher.
Obviously getting Gasol without giving up anything important was huge.
But Fisher's defense, savvy, clutch performance and relationship with Kobe really smoothed the way for a lot of their success. Big upgrade over Smush and allowed Farmar to come along at his pace.

So I think Pual maxed out what he had more than Kobe did.
Also Kobe was still in whine and complain mode early in the season, and being a good teammate is a sizable part of MVP. Not to knock Kobe. Strong enough year to finish a close second in the MVP race in my book.

For his career, the Lakes were dominant when he was young, and he was second banana to Shaq.
Since then Kobe developed into a prime-time player, but his team hasn't been that successful (something akin to LBJ this year). So no MVP awards. This year, Kobe put up his standard outstanding season, and the team has had success, so he's in the MVP race.

But I'm probably a little biased in favor of PG's, as I think they are more important to a team's success than a scoring wing. Agree with whoever mentioned that Kidd got robbed the one year.
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4/24/2008  6:26 AM
I'd feel that either Paul or Kobe would deserve it if chosen. However, I want to make a statistical argument for Paul. First in scoring, they are one and two - Kobe with 40.5 and Paul with 33.5. But Kobe's shooting % is 50.9 - very high for a guard, while Paul's is 64.1 - absolutely incredible. Then looking at assists, Kobe has a very good 5.5 compared with 1.5 to's. Paul's 13.5 with 2.0 turnovers is absolutely incredible. They are both deserving candidates, but Paul is from another planet.
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4/24/2008  6:28 AM
Posted by Ira:

I'd feel that either Paul or Kobe would deserve it if chosen. However, I want to make a statistical argument for Paul. First in scoring, they are one and two - Kobe with 40.5 and Paul with 33.5. But Kobe's shooting % is 50.9 - very high for a guard, while Paul's is 64.1 - absolutely incredible. Then looking at assists, Kobe has a very good 5.5 compared with 1.5 to's. Paul's 13.5 with 2.0 turnovers is absolutely incredible. They are both deserving candidates, but Paul is from another planet.

Where are you getting those stats from?! Kobe didn't average 40.5 PPG! All the #s seem off.
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4/24/2008  7:43 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Ira:

I'd feel that either Paul or Kobe would deserve it if chosen. However, I want to make a statistical argument for Paul. First in scoring, they are one and two - Kobe with 40.5 and Paul with 33.5. But Kobe's shooting % is 50.9 - very high for a guard, while Paul's is 64.1 - absolutely incredible. Then looking at assists, Kobe has a very good 5.5 compared with 1.5 to's. Paul's 13.5 with 2.0 turnovers is absolutely incredible. They are both deserving candidates, but Paul is from another planet.

Where are you getting those stats from?! Kobe didn't average 40.5 PPG! All the #s seem off.

You're right. Big mistake. These are playoff stats. Sorry.
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