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4/20/2008  8:20 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:


Walsh was the head of the Paces for decades. If reassigning franchise wreckers within the organization was part of his M.O. he wouldn't have the quality reputation he enjoys.

One important factor. Donnie was there for about 30 years and 'no championship'.
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4/20/2008  8:28 PM
I also wish Isiah was given The Isiah Treatment... you know, the same type of treatment reserved for guys like Wilkens and Brown. But I honestly could otherwise care less about the manner in which Isiah was terminated. Part of me thinks handling this situation with some class and professionalism is better for the long-term prospects of rectifying this train-wreck.

Part of the Knicks organization climbing out of this cesspool will have to do with a large-scale corporate culture change and that starts with the top. I'll reserve the cynicism for until it becomes obvious that Walsh is Dolan's puppet. Until that happens, I'll assume that Walsh "doing the right thing" (or however he put it) is part of a process to rectify the unprofessional environment at MSG.
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4/20/2008  8:31 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Part of me thinks handling this situation with some class and professionalism is better for the long-term prospects of rectifying this train-wreck.

It's a good point, but you also have to remember 'all Knick fans endorsed a thrashing and throw out the front doorway, onto the sidewalk for Walsh to follow'.

Some of us feel cheated.
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4/20/2008  8:51 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Part of me thinks handling this situation with some class and professionalism is better for the long-term prospects of rectifying this train-wreck.

It's a good point, but you also have to remember 'all Knick fans endorsed a thrashing and throw out the front doorway, onto the sidewalk for Walsh to follow'.

Some of us feel cheated.

I understand that... if I saw Isiah alone Hulk Smash him and claim self-defense. I would have gotten just as much joy from Isiah getting hung out to dry as I did when the last ex girlfriend got so hammered she chipped off her two front teeth, a week after she broke it off to party with no worries. My point is that I feel cheated too.

I'm just trying to analyze this situation from a long-term perspective, because everything in Knicks land should be viewed this way. This team blows and our only hope lies in the future. Watching Isiah cry on national television would have been fantastic, but that wouldn't undo his tenure nor will it fix things
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4/20/2008  9:35 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Part of me thinks handling this situation with some class and professionalism is better for the long-term prospects of rectifying this train-wreck.

It's a good point, but you also have to remember 'all Knick fans endorsed a thrashing and throw out the front doorway, onto the sidewalk for Walsh to follow'.

Some of us feel cheated.

I understand that... if I saw Isiah alone Hulk Smash him and claim self-defense. I would have gotten just as much joy from Isiah getting hung out to dry as I did when the last ex girlfriend got so hammered she chipped off her two front teeth, a week after she broke it off to party with no worries. My point is that I feel cheated too.

I'm just trying to analyze this situation from a long-term perspective, because everything in Knicks land should be viewed this way. This team blows and our only hope lies in the future. Watching Isiah cry on national television would have been fantastic, but that wouldn't undo his tenure nor will it fix things

Sure people joked about Isiah getting his comeuppance but at the end of the day, all we wanted was for Isiah to be gone completely from this organization. A simple "After 4 1/2 years, I felt that this is what was best for the organization" would have sufficed. That wouldn't have undone his tenure but it would have been a huge step in fixing things. Instead, Isiah's negative presence remains hanging over the Knicks and serious questions arise concerning Walsh's much promoted "full autonomy".

Firing someone doesn't make you less classy or unprofessional. In fact, a clean break would have been a sign of improvement in comparison to all of the messy departures in recent years.
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4/20/2008  9:38 PM
I think it was a wise decision for Jimmy to hire a figurehead to sheild Cap'n Zeke from the grossly unfair criticism he has received when all he did was rescue this franchise from Eisley, Anderson & Weatherspoon.
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4/21/2008  9:59 AM

Dog poop and condoms with the right person can be very effective!!......

We can all speculate, but maybe Dolan "asked" Donnie to remove Isiah over time to reduce the embarassment to MSG and Dolan. I mean really, even if Dolan is an idiot, he looks real stupid over the Anucha trail, knick record and extending Isiah.

Sending him home MIGHT be the first step. Isiah is motivated to play nice to keep the checks coming and perhaps a humble and gracious Isiah can lend some valuable information to helping the transatition while cutting his ties.

I agree a complete amputation of Isiah would have been just but it might not be the best way exfoliate the stench.
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4/21/2008  1:48 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Part of me thinks handling this situation with some class and professionalism is better for the long-term prospects of rectifying this train-wreck.

It's a good point, but you also have to remember 'all Knick fans endorsed a thrashing and throw out the front doorway, onto the sidewalk for Walsh to follow'.

Some of us feel cheated.

I understand that... if I saw Isiah alone Hulk Smash him and claim self-defense. I would have gotten just as much joy from Isiah getting hung out to dry as I did when the last ex girlfriend got so hammered she chipped off her two front teeth, a week after she broke it off to party with no worries. My point is that I feel cheated too.

I'm just trying to analyze this situation from a long-term perspective, because everything in Knicks land should be viewed this way. This team blows and our only hope lies in the future. Watching Isiah cry on national television would have been fantastic, but that wouldn't undo his tenure nor will it fix things

Sure people joked about Isiah getting his comeuppance but at the end of the day, all we wanted was for Isiah to be gone completely from this organization. A simple "After 4 1/2 years, I felt that this is what was best for the organization" would have sufficed. That wouldn't have undone his tenure but it would have been a huge step in fixing things. Instead, Isiah's negative presence remains hanging over the Knicks and serious questions arise concerning Walsh's much promoted "full autonomy".

Firing someone doesn't make you less classy or unprofessional. In fact, a clean break would have been a sign of improvement in comparison to all of the messy departures in recent years.

I'm actually not disagreeing with you (even though it definitely sounds like that). All I'm saying is that a corporate culture of respecting all employees didn't exactly exist under Isiah's reign of terror/failure.

The thing is, I do believe this is a clean break. You know, when you break up and you're like "baby, we'll still be friends" and you never call again. Isiah can do this "job" from his home and he doesn't need to come to MSG meetings. Dolan's fingerprints are on this. Seems like he became convinced that Isiah couldn't do the job, but he has a huge mancrush on the dude.

We all know Dolan is as inept as they come, but I can settle for a "let's be friends" outcome.
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4/21/2008  2:12 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Part of me thinks handling this situation with some class and professionalism is better for the long-term prospects of rectifying this train-wreck.

It's a good point, but you also have to remember 'all Knick fans endorsed a thrashing and throw out the front doorway, onto the sidewalk for Walsh to follow'.

Some of us feel cheated.

I understand that... if I saw Isiah alone Hulk Smash him and claim self-defense. I would have gotten just as much joy from Isiah getting hung out to dry as I did when the last ex girlfriend got so hammered she chipped off her two front teeth, a week after she broke it off to party with no worries. My point is that I feel cheated too.

I'm just trying to analyze this situation from a long-term perspective, because everything in Knicks land should be viewed this way. This team blows and our only hope lies in the future. Watching Isiah cry on national television would have been fantastic, but that wouldn't undo his tenure nor will it fix things

Sure people joked about Isiah getting his comeuppance but at the end of the day, all we wanted was for Isiah to be gone completely from this organization. A simple "After 4 1/2 years, I felt that this is what was best for the organization" would have sufficed. That wouldn't have undone his tenure but it would have been a huge step in fixing things. Instead, Isiah's negative presence remains hanging over the Knicks and serious questions arise concerning Walsh's much promoted "full autonomy".

Firing someone doesn't make you less classy or unprofessional. In fact, a clean break would have been a sign of improvement in comparison to all of the messy departures in recent years.

I'm actually not disagreeing with you (even though it definitely sounds like that). All I'm saying is that a corporate culture of respecting all employees didn't exactly exist under Isiah's reign of terror/failure.

The thing is, I do believe this is a clean break. You know, when you break up and you're like "baby, we'll still be friends" and you never call again. Isiah can do this "job" from his home and he doesn't need to come to MSG meetings. Dolan's fingerprints are on this. Seems like he became convinced that Isiah couldn't do the job, but he has a huge mancrush on the dude.

We all know Dolan is as inept as they come, but I can settle for a "let's be friends" outcome.

Doesn't that worry you even slightly? If Dolan's fingerprints are on this, then that whole "autonomy" stuff was nothing but another dog and pony show. It's proof that Walsh is just their new front man.

The major flaw with your "let's be friends" outcome, is that when Dolan becomes unsatisfied with his new front man, he's going to go back to his ex for a little action. The problem is that Knicks fans are the ones that are going to get ****ed.
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4/21/2008  2:24 PM

A change has taken place. No security escorts, no parking lot sermons to the press, and no lawsuit would mark a change in culture.

Would have been nice to have it start AFTER Isiahs humilation.

But the guys really has become a shame in ineptitude.

His public persona over his well documented failures are well known, his son he had while cheating on his wife BEFORE they got married, and his poor son got "sunted" and taken to jail in a bar scuffle.

How many former NBA execs have so much Youtube satire? The dude is famous in so many ways.
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4/21/2008  2:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Part of me thinks handling this situation with some class and professionalism is better for the long-term prospects of rectifying this train-wreck.

It's a good point, but you also have to remember 'all Knick fans endorsed a thrashing and throw out the front doorway, onto the sidewalk for Walsh to follow'.

Some of us feel cheated.

I understand that... if I saw Isiah alone Hulk Smash him and claim self-defense. I would have gotten just as much joy from Isiah getting hung out to dry as I did when the last ex girlfriend got so hammered she chipped off her two front teeth, a week after she broke it off to party with no worries. My point is that I feel cheated too.

I'm just trying to analyze this situation from a long-term perspective, because everything in Knicks land should be viewed this way. This team blows and our only hope lies in the future. Watching Isiah cry on national television would have been fantastic, but that wouldn't undo his tenure nor will it fix things

Sure people joked about Isiah getting his comeuppance but at the end of the day, all we wanted was for Isiah to be gone completely from this organization. A simple "After 4 1/2 years, I felt that this is what was best for the organization" would have sufficed. That wouldn't have undone his tenure but it would have been a huge step in fixing things. Instead, Isiah's negative presence remains hanging over the Knicks and serious questions arise concerning Walsh's much promoted "full autonomy".

Firing someone doesn't make you less classy or unprofessional. In fact, a clean break would have been a sign of improvement in comparison to all of the messy departures in recent years.

I'm actually not disagreeing with you (even though it definitely sounds like that). All I'm saying is that a corporate culture of respecting all employees didn't exactly exist under Isiah's reign of terror/failure.

The thing is, I do believe this is a clean break. You know, when you break up and you're like "baby, we'll still be friends" and you never call again. Isiah can do this "job" from his home and he doesn't need to come to MSG meetings. Dolan's fingerprints are on this. Seems like he became convinced that Isiah couldn't do the job, but he has a huge mancrush on the dude.

We all know Dolan is as inept as they come, but I can settle for a "let's be friends" outcome.

Doesn't that worry you even slightly? If Dolan's fingerprints are on this, then that whole "autonomy" stuff was nothing but another dog and pony show. It's proof that Walsh is just their new front man.

The major flaw with your "let's be friends" outcome, is that when Dolan becomes unsatisfied with his new front man, he's going to go back to his ex for a little action. The problem is that Knicks fans are the ones that are going to get ****ed.

Dude, it DEFINITELY bothers me. I'd prefer for Isiah to be tried by fire, be as humiliated as he's humiliate me/us/the fanbase, and thrown out on his worthless ass. I'd prefer for Dolan to sell the team and use the money on booze, coke, and some really great collection of guitars... and then for an overdose. I'm about as bitter and jaded as a fan can be because of these ass clowns.

The problem is there is literally nothing that can be done to alleviate The Dolan Dilemma. Worrying about Dolan is a waste of time because public opinion cannot alter this. So, I'm focusing on this "hopefully* being a step in the right direction. I'm hoping that David Stern has more of an influence here than we all are led to believe.
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4/21/2008  3:33 PM
Posted by majorleads:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Playing this shell game ("who can tell me which shell Isiah is under") and calling it "dignified" is a farce.

ROFL


Like a Street Corner New York Side Show Freak. OMG this line was hilarious. And so was your Mailman reference.
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4/21/2008  4:55 PM
Posted by majorleads:

TKF aka "Crawful lover," it's time you changed that sig of yours. I'll sit around day and night waiting to hit the NBA lottery. Sure beats watching crappy basketball at MSG. That to me is the definition of a loser. All those clowns who bought tickets to Knicks games this summer believing we actually were a good team. Losers! (long time season holders you get somewhat of a pass, although, I must question your sanity too. Dolan's been here for a while now)

TKF will never stop defending these players Crawford being foremost. How may players after 8yrs of professional basketball do you know who needs coaching?

LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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