What was the deal we gave kurt thomas?

I think him and lee have pretty similar value... w3ll kurt thomas THEN not now... of course. Maybe lee should get a slightly better deal since he has shown improvements every year and is still young but think about it why should a player get paid based on what they might do kurt thomas got paid based on what he had done and it was reasonable.

In reality on a good team david lee will play a glorified kurt thomas role.... so lets be real

Ps I love david lee and want us to keep him but we can't continue to overpay

current cap# for the summer of 2010 (walsh's target date) is $58.3 mil (every option picked up).

if NO rookie contract options are picked up (nate, balkman, lee, mardy, chandler), the cap# is $47.6 mil.

but then you have to add in the #1 picks for 2008 and 2009 and that makes it approximately $52 mil.

let's guesstimate the salary cap figure will be $65 mil for the nba in the summer of 2010.

that will give the knicks about $13 mil to play with. if they decline all other rookie contract options and give lee an extension starting at $8 mil, then the cap space in the summer of 2010 will be $5 mil (which is basically the MLE so this "space" is useless).

of course, this is if no new contracts are added for the 2010/2011 season (i.e. no mle's, lle's, extra draft picks, or trades) in the interim.

if the objective is to make a BIG splash in the summer of 2010, then either the knicks don't re-sign lee for more than $5 mil (while not picking up any other rookie option) OR have to trade zach/eddy/q/jamal/jeffries/jerome for a contract that runs a year shorter.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-16-2008 12:58 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

current cap# for the summer of 2010 (walsh's target date) is $58.3 mil (every option picked up).

if NO rookie contract options are picked up (nate, balkman, lee, mardy, chandler), the cap# is $47.6 mil.

but then you have to add in the #1 picks for 2008 and 2009 and that makes it approximately $52 mil.

let's guesstimate the salary cap figure will be $65 mil for the nba in the summer of 2010.

that will give the knicks about $13 mil to play with. if they decline all other rookie contract options and give lee an extension starting at $8 mil, then the cap space in the summer of 2010 will be $5 mil (which is basically the MLE so this "space" is useless).

of course, this is if no new contracts are added for the 2010/2011 season (i.e. no mle's, lle's, extra draft picks, or trades) in the interim.

if the objective is to make a BIG splash in the summer of 2010, then either the knicks don't re-sign lee for more than $5 mil (while not picking up any other rookie option) OR have to trade zach/eddy/q/jamal/jeffries/jerome for a contract that runs a year shorter.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-16-2008 12:58 PM]

ok so this should just be posted on the home page so everyone can see it......bring on the massive starphuch

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by djsunyc:

current cap# for the summer of 2010 (walsh's target date) is $58.3 mil (every option picked up).

if NO rookie contract options are picked up (nate, balkman, lee, mardy, chandler), the cap# is $47.6 mil.

but then you have to add in the #1 picks for 2008 and 2009 and that makes it approximately $52 mil.

let's guesstimate the salary cap figure will be $65 mil for the nba in the summer of 2010.

that will give the knicks about $13 mil to play with. if they decline all other rookie contract options and give lee an extension starting at $8 mil, then the cap space in the summer of 2010 will be $5 mil (which is basically the MLE so this "space" is useless).

of course, this is if no new contracts are added for the 2010/2011 season (i.e. no mle's, lle's, extra draft picks, or trades) in the interim.

if the objective is to make a BIG splash in the summer of 2010, then either the knicks don't re-sign lee for more than $5 mil (while not picking up any other rookie option) OR have to trade zach/eddy/q/jamal/jeffries/jerome for a contract that runs a year shorter.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-16-2008 12:58 PM]

ok so this should just be posted on the home page so everyone can see it......bring on the massive starphuch

i believe we can get cap room - trade zach and craw to cleveland for wally and big ben (or zydrunas). we'd have $30 million of cap space in 2010. cleveland would do it because the big ben trade was a disaster for them and they need to make Cleveland better fast to help Bron. Crawford would be a perfect third option for them and Bron is one of the only guys in the league with enough juice to tell Zach to shut up and pass the ball and have zach listen. it would work.


[Edited by - crzymdups on 16-04-2008 1:29 PM]

Not a bad idea honestly but 2 questions:

Do ben and wallys contracts expire soon enough

And

Does that trade work do the salaries matchup?

Posted by Elite:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by djsunyc:

current cap# for the summer of 2010 (walsh's target date) is $58.3 mil (every option picked up).

if NO rookie contract options are picked up (nate, balkman, lee, mardy, chandler), the cap# is $47.6 mil.

but then you have to add in the #1 picks for 2008 and 2009 and that makes it approximately $52 mil.

let's guesstimate the salary cap figure will be $65 mil for the nba in the summer of 2010.

that will give the knicks about $13 mil to play with. if they decline all other rookie contract options and give lee an extension starting at $8 mil, then the cap space in the summer of 2010 will be $5 mil (which is basically the MLE so this "space" is useless).

of course, this is if no new contracts are added for the 2010/2011 season (i.e. no mle's, lle's, extra draft picks, or trades) in the interim.

if the objective is to make a BIG splash in the summer of 2010, then either the knicks don't re-sign lee for more than $5 mil (while not picking up any other rookie option) OR have to trade zach/eddy/q/jamal/jeffries/jerome for a contract that runs a year shorter.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-16-2008 12:58 PM]

ok so this should just be posted on the home page so everyone can see it......bring on the massive starphuch

i believe we can get cap room - trade zach and craw to cleveland for wally and big ben (or zydrunas). we'd have $30 million of cap space in 2010. cleveland would do it because the big ben trade was a disaster for them and they need to make Cleveland better fast to help Bron. Crawford would be a perfect third option for them and Bron is one of the only guys in the league with enough juice to tell Zach to shut up and pass the ball and have zach listen. it would work.


[Edited by - crzymdups on 16-04-2008 1:29 PM]

Not a bad idea honestly but 2 questions:

Do ben and wallys contracts expire soon enough

And

Does that trade work do the salaries matchup?

and unless cleveland gets isiah as a gm, are they going to help us get cap room to sign lebron away from them?

At some level, that has to enter the calculus.

You cant trade Zach unless you take a bad contract back. We get to pay him 17 million in 2012. He has set back rebuilding for a couple of years.

Incoming Players
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
5.1 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 32.5 minutes
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF / SG from Miami-OH
7.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 21.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
17.6 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 32.5 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG / PG from Michigan
20.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.0 apg in 40.1 minutes
Renaldo Balkman
6-7 SF from South Carolina
3.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 14.6 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
12.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.9 apg in 26.1 minutes

This trade works and would actually make them better

Big Z
Zach/Varejo
Lebron/Balkman
Gibson/Nate
Crawford/West

They do get two outside threats and an inside presence and Varejo would work well with zach. This trade would go a long way to help matters. It would even allow Curry to get in shape and regain a little value.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by islesfan:

Buh-bye

I was waiving a long time ago. No one would listen and now we're going to be facing some very tough forks in the road. Why we thought he could be retained in the $7mil/yr range is baffling. This team is going to be fun to watch next yr with all the egendas going strong. Marbury proving he's still got it. Aaron Goodwin blwoing up Nate's immature head so he can get his deal. Bartlestien ditto Lee. Then Zach and Curry will be trying to find themselves. DW better do the inevitable and that's push the RESET BUTTON and start over.

Good points man.. as much as I love lee on the knicks, I might have to agree with you on this one...

PS: of late your post have been funny as hell... Is your night job, stand up comedy?

Good stuff tho.....

Incoming Players
Jason Richardson
6-6 SG from Michigan State
21.7 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 3.2 apg in 38.3 minutes
Nazr Mohammed
6-10 C from Kentucky
3.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
17.6 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 32.5 minutes
Jared Jeffries
6-11 SF from Indiana
3.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.9 apg in 17.9 minutes

Maybe you move Nate a future first in this deal I think if they resign Okafur with wallace on the front line they would be more formidable

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by MS:

Incoming Players
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
5.1 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 32.5 minutes
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF / SG from Miami-OH
7.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 21.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
17.6 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 32.5 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG / PG from Michigan
20.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.0 apg in 40.1 minutes
Renaldo Balkman
6-7 SF from South Carolina
3.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 14.6 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
12.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.9 apg in 26.1 minutes

This trade works and would actually make them better

Big Z
Zach/Varejo
Lebron/Balkman
Gibson/Nate
Crawford/West

They do get two outside threats and an inside presence and Varejo would work well with zach. This trade would go a long way to help matters. It would even allow Curry to get in shape and regain a little value.

That makes sense from a GM side--take half the starting team from a 23 win team and payout that arse to do so. NO one is taking Zach without giving us back the same years cash etc---- Zach is a chemistry killer--would you stake your name to him?

To get someone to take back Zach for an expiring contract, I think we'd have to give up at least D Lee, Chandler, and this year's lottery pick.

we're married to zach - and its a catholic marriage- so unless the pope gives us an annulment, its til death do us part

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by islesfan:

Buh-bye

I was waiving a long time ago. No one would listen and now we're going to be facing some very tough forks in the road. Why we thought he could be retained in the $7mil/yr range is baffling. This team is going to be fun to watch next yr with all the egendas going strong. Marbury proving he's still got it. Aaron Goodwin blwoing up Nate's immature head so he can get his deal. Bartlestien ditto Lee. Then Zach and Curry will be trying to find themselves. DW better do the inevitable and that's push the RESET BUTTON and start over.

Good points man.. as much as I love lee on the knicks, I might have to agree with you on this one...

PS: of late your post have been funny as hell... Is your night job, stand up comedy?

Good stuff tho.....

Thanks TKF. Really most of speak the universal language concerning this ball club. We aren't comedians but our situation as a Franchise is clearly Laughing Stock.

PS: I SAY UGH NEEDS HIS *** BEAT ROTFLOL!