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4/2/2008  6:37 AM
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4/2/2008  6:45 AM
So now does Walsh do Dolan's dirty work and fire Isiah? or is this just a pointless hiring
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4/2/2008  6:56 AM
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I hear we are going to keep Isiah around for a while..... that is like jessica Alba telling you she wants to sleep with you.. and then alerting you that she will wearing the strap on....

don't turn that down. i'm sure something could be worked out . . .
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4/2/2008  7:31 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Good effing news at last!

It could be good news but Walsh is going to have to EARN my support. No member of this (dis)organization starts out with my support now.
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4/2/2008  7:32 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Doesnt mean sht. Isiah is still the boss here.

Exactly. Some of you guys are jumping the gun here. Excuse me if I'm a little cynical but if Isiah is retained in ANY capacity, this is just more window dressing and another dog and pony show to try to take some of the heat off Isiah and Dolan.

The Knicks need a complete overhaul with a new Team President, a new GM, a new Head Coach, new assistant coaches, new players and Dolan staying as far behind the scenes as possible. Oh, and most importantly, NO ISIAH!

Until Isiah is completely disassociated with this organization, the dark clouds will remain.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Doesnt mean sht. Isiah is still the boss here.

Exactly. Some of you guys are jumping the gun here. Excuse me if I'm a little cynical but if Isiah is retained in ANY capacity, this is just more window dressing and another dog and pony show to try to take some of the heat off Isiah and Dolan.

The Knicks need a complete overhaul with a new Team President, a new GM, a new Head Coach, new assistant coaches, new players and Dolan staying as far behind the scenes as possible. Oh, and most importantly, NO ISIAH!

Until Isiah and Dolan/Cablevision are completely disassociated with this organization, the dark clouds will remain.
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4/2/2008  7:48 AM
Calm Down, guys. Baby steps. Every news outlet is reporting Isiah is the coach for now. The NY Daily News is reporting Thomas is only the coach for now. The scroll on ESPN is also saying Thomas is the coach for now. The news also reported Thomas' pull was gone. I can honestly see why Dolan would want to make Isiah work for his money. Isiah cost him money on Shandon Anderson, Jalen Rose, Steve Francis, Larry Brown, Anucha Sanders. I really think Dolan just doesn't want to give Isiah money to leave.

I'm fine with Isiah being maybe a regular scout. Broussard indicated Billy King(the one from the Sixers for the past 10 years not the one from the Hawks) will be a front runner to replace Grunwald.

Perhaps Walsh wants to let the GM decide who the coach is going to be.
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4/2/2008  7:51 AM
From Ken Berger's blog on Newsday

Details of Donnie Walsh's deal with Knicks

Milwaukee – It is only appropriate that I am participating in what will go down as one of the critical moments in Knicks history from a hotel room on the 10th floor of the Hyatt Regency in Milwaukee, with a view of Usinger’s Famous Sausage plant from my window. Putting together the story for you to read in Wednesday’s paper was not unlike what I imagine the sausage-making process to be.

Messy.

Here is what I can tell you after having some time to contact sources who know what is going to be announced – and what is not going to be announced – in a 1 p.m. news conference today at Madison Square Garden:

· Donnie Walsh will be introduced as the Knicks’ president of basketball operations. His contract is four years for about $20 million, plus playoff and other incentives.
· Isiah Thomas, who flew on the team charter last night to Memphis to coach the team tonight against the Grizzlies, is in for more twisting than Jason Taylor on “Dancing With the Stars.” Walsh understands that a coaching change must be made, but the details have yet to be worked out. Thomas is not likely to be relieved of his duties immediately, and his future with the team is very much up in the air. Translation: Thomas could get to experience the 40 days and 40 nights of Larry Brown first-hand.

Several sticking points had to be resolved before Walsh would agree to the parameters of the deal. In no particular order, here is what has been decided.

Walsh, 67, will oversee the basketball operations, not the business side of the Knicks. It is believed that MSG Sports president Steve Mills will remain with the organization, but Walsh insisted on reporting directly to James Dolan and no one else.

Walsh, and Walsh alone, will shape the media policy that will be carried out from now on at the Garden. It’s not entirely certain what he will put in place, but suffice it to say that he will remain as open with the media as he has been during his quarter-century career in the NBA. This is good news, because no one can succeed in the stifling, soul-sapping environment that currently exists there.

Walsh will maintain the authority to hire a general manager and coach. Former Philadelphia 76ers GM Billy King and Nuggets GM Mark Warkentien are under consideration, but there could be others as well.

The fact that Dolan has agreed to give such far-ranging power to someone of Walsh’s stature is unequivocally positive for the future of this franchise. But prepare yourself for some uncomfortable moments involving Thomas’ future. Unless he quits, it appears that he is not going away in the immediate future.

Thomas’ future has always amounted to a staring contest with Dolan, who didn’t – and doesn’t – want to fire him. As was the case with Brown, Dolan doesn’t want to admit the mistake of rewarding Thomas with a four-year contract extension only 12 months ago. And he doesn’t want to be forced to pay him the $18 million or so remaining on that contract by firing him.

So Isiah will twist, it appears. The difference between he and Brown is that the Knicks will find almost no instance where Thomas did anything but what he was told. One possibility is that Dolan hopes that, by demoting Thomas, he will force him to cave in and resign. Another is that Walsh finds some role in the organization for Thomas, who may very well have talked Walsh up for the job to Dolan as a way to ingratiate himself to the new boss. We shall see.
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4/2/2008  7:53 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is a great move. Walsh must have got all the assurances he wanted, which most likely means that Isiah is a goner!

Isles, get that thread ready!

That thread is reserved for when Isiah is no longer associated with the Knicks, not for when he gets a new boss or is reassigned within the organization.

I appreciate you remembering though. Let's hope Martin and Andrew have remembered as well.
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4/2/2008  7:57 AM
this is fantastic news. all around.

the fact that he has been given a direct report to Dolan and has gotten the media policy revoked shows that walsh is being given actual power here. i don't think Isiah will stay. he'll finish out the season, but there's no way walsh keeps him on as coach. maybe as head of the scouting department or something. but not coach.

i was ill when i heard larry brown was hired - it made no sense, it was clear he wouldn't have power to shape the roster and the team was all wrong for him.

walsh on the other hand i am thrilled about. he will have power to shape the roster and bring in a young GM and a coach of his choosing. i'm guessing dolan was given a mandate from stern to take a step back and let someone who knows about basketball call the shots. it may not be that simple, but i think this is a great first step in actually rebuilding.
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4/2/2008  8:05 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is a great move. Walsh must have got all the assurances he wanted, which most likely means that Isiah is a goner!

Isles, get that thread ready!

That thread is reserved for when Isiah is no longer associated with the Knicks, not for when he gets a new boss or is reassigned within the organization.

I appreciate you remembering though. Let's hope Martin and Andrew have remembered as well.

There is the letter of the law, and then there is intent.

If they make Isiah head of scouting - and that's one area we can debate his worth- is that not enough?

He needs to be gone, no doubt.

But Dolan the rich spoiled boy has a new best friend. And rich spoiled boys always get their way.
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4/2/2008  8:11 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is a great move. Walsh must have got all the assurances he wanted, which most likely means that Isiah is a goner!

Isles, get that thread ready!

That thread is reserved for when Isiah is no longer associated with the Knicks, not for when he gets a new boss or is reassigned within the organization.

I appreciate you remembering though. Let's hope Martin and Andrew have remembered as well.

There is the letter of the law, and then there is intent.

If they make Isiah head of scouting - and that's one area we can debate his worth- is that not enough?

He needs to be gone, no doubt.

But Dolan the rich spoiled boy has a new best friend. And rich spoiled boys always get their way.

No, that's not enough.

First of all, we'd still be missing out on the Bynum's of the world, if Isiah were head of scouting, and ending up with the Channing Frye's instead. Isiah's "eye for talent" is so completely overrated.

Secondly, Isiah would still have Dolan's ear and that is never a good thing.

Isiah needs to be completely gone. Like a cancerous tumor, you don't just remove a part of it. You remove it completely and then work on cleaning up any traces of it being there.
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4/2/2008  8:16 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

this is fantastic news. all around.

the fact that he has been given a direct report to Dolan and has gotten the media policy revoked shows that walsh is being given actual power here. i don't think Isiah will stay. he'll finish out the season, but there's no way walsh keeps him on as coach. maybe as head of the scouting department or something. but not coach.

i was ill when i heard larry brown was hired - it made no sense, it was clear he wouldn't have power to shape the roster and the team was all wrong for him.

walsh on the other hand i am thrilled about. he will have power to shape the roster and bring in a young GM and a coach of his choosing. i'm guessing dolan was given a mandate from stern to take a step back and let someone who knows about basketball call the shots. it may not be that simple, but i think this is a great first step in actually rebuilding.
I agree. Walsh could have his choice of NBA jobs. At his age he isnt coming here to finish his NBA legacy as Dolan's puppet. The stuff about the media and full control tells you he is here to change this culture.

As for the money Dolan owes Isiah that means nothing. We paid more than that to aquire Balkman. I cant even speculate what will happen with Isiah, but I have no doubt that it will be whats right for the team when it happens.

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4/2/2008  8:17 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is a great move. Walsh must have got all the assurances he wanted, which most likely means that Isiah is a goner!

Isles, get that thread ready!

That thread is reserved for when Isiah is no longer associated with the Knicks, not for when he gets a new boss or is reassigned within the organization.

I appreciate you remembering though. Let's hope Martin and Andrew have remembered as well.

There is the letter of the law, and then there is intent.

If they make Isiah head of scouting - and that's one area we can debate his worth- is that not enough?

He needs to be gone, no doubt.

But Dolan the rich spoiled boy has a new best friend. And rich spoiled boys always get their way.

No, that's not enough.

First of all, we'd still be missing out on the Bynum's of the world, if Isiah were head of scouting, and ending up with the Channing Frye's instead. Isiah's "eye for talent" is so completely overrated.

Secondly, Isiah would still have Dolan's ear and that is never a good thing.

Isiah needs to be completely gone. Like a cancerous tumor, you don't just remove a part of it. You remove it completely and then work on cleaning up any traces of it being there.

Isles, while I agree that I would prefer for Isiah to be gone, exactly how much pull do you think the guy has if the only reason he is here is he won't quit? Dolan doesn't want to pay him for nothing and also doesn't want him to run the team anymore.
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4/2/2008  8:24 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is a great move. Walsh must have got all the assurances he wanted, which most likely means that Isiah is a goner!

Isles, get that thread ready!

That thread is reserved for when Isiah is no longer associated with the Knicks, not for when he gets a new boss or is reassigned within the organization.

I appreciate you remembering though. Let's hope Martin and Andrew have remembered as well.

There is the letter of the law, and then there is intent.

If they make Isiah head of scouting - and that's one area we can debate his worth- is that not enough?

He needs to be gone, no doubt.

But Dolan the rich spoiled boy has a new best friend. And rich spoiled boys always get their way.

No, that's not enough.

First of all, we'd still be missing out on the Bynum's of the world, if Isiah were head of scouting, and ending up with the Channing Frye's instead. Isiah's "eye for talent" is so completely overrated.

Secondly, Isiah would still have Dolan's ear and that is never a good thing.

Isiah needs to be completely gone. Like a cancerous tumor, you don't just remove a part of it. You remove it completely and then work on cleaning up any traces of it being there.

Isles, while I agree that I would prefer for Isiah to be gone, exactly how much pull do you think the guy has if the only reason he is here is he won't quit? Dolan doesn't want to pay him for nothing and also doesn't want him to run the team anymore.

Then he needs to go because there's absolutely nothing good that can come from keeping him. It makes no sense for the new team president, GM and head coach to be doing their jobs with the old team president, GM and head coach sitting in the same room with them.
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4/2/2008  8:29 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is a great move. Walsh must have got all the assurances he wanted, which most likely means that Isiah is a goner!

Isles, get that thread ready!

That thread is reserved for when Isiah is no longer associated with the Knicks, not for when he gets a new boss or is reassigned within the organization.

I appreciate you remembering though. Let's hope Martin and Andrew have remembered as well.

There is the letter of the law, and then there is intent.

If they make Isiah head of scouting - and that's one area we can debate his worth- is that not enough?

He needs to be gone, no doubt.

But Dolan the rich spoiled boy has a new best friend. And rich spoiled boys always get their way.

No, that's not enough.

First of all, we'd still be missing out on the Bynum's of the world, if Isiah were head of scouting, and ending up with the Channing Frye's instead. Isiah's "eye for talent" is so completely overrated.

Secondly, Isiah would still have Dolan's ear and that is never a good thing.

Isiah needs to be completely gone. Like a cancerous tumor, you don't just remove a part of it. You remove it completely and then work on cleaning up any traces of it being there.

Isles, while I agree that I would prefer for Isiah to be gone, exactly how much pull do you think the guy has if the only reason he is here is he won't quit? Dolan doesn't want to pay him for nothing and also doesn't want him to run the team anymore.

Then he needs to go because there's absolutely nothing good that can come from keeping him. It makes no sense for the new team president, GM and head coach to be doing their jobs with the old team president, GM and head coach sitting in the same room with them.

maybe he could name isiah the new eeo compliance officer.
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4/2/2008  8:37 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is a great move. Walsh must have got all the assurances he wanted, which most likely means that Isiah is a goner!

Isles, get that thread ready!

That thread is reserved for when Isiah is no longer associated with the Knicks, not for when he gets a new boss or is reassigned within the organization.

I appreciate you remembering though. Let's hope Martin and Andrew have remembered as well.

There is the letter of the law, and then there is intent.

If they make Isiah head of scouting - and that's one area we can debate his worth- is that not enough?

He needs to be gone, no doubt.

But Dolan the rich spoiled boy has a new best friend. And rich spoiled boys always get their way.

No, that's not enough.

First of all, we'd still be missing out on the Bynum's of the world, if Isiah were head of scouting, and ending up with the Channing Frye's instead. Isiah's "eye for talent" is so completely overrated.

Secondly, Isiah would still have Dolan's ear and that is never a good thing.

Isiah needs to be completely gone. Like a cancerous tumor, you don't just remove a part of it. You remove it completely and then work on cleaning up any traces of it being there.

Isles, while I agree that I would prefer for Isiah to be gone, exactly how much pull do you think the guy has if the only reason he is here is he won't quit? Dolan doesn't want to pay him for nothing and also doesn't want him to run the team anymore.

Then he needs to go because there's absolutely nothing good that can come from keeping him. It makes no sense for the new team president, GM and head coach to be doing their jobs with the old team president, GM and head coach sitting in the same room with them.

maybe he could name isiah the new eeo compliance officer.

I stand corrected.

Leave it to Marv to find the one position that I would agree to keep Isiah in.
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4/2/2008  9:26 AM
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Thomas was asked following the game if he would have any regrets if his tenure as coach was ending.

"No, I look back and I look at what we started with and where we're going and I think we have a very bright future," Thomas said.
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Now, that's the joke of the century. Wait, yesterday (when he was interviewed) was April 1st!
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4/2/2008  9:26 AM
I will bring up the spite angle.

"Isiah stays" is thru the season. THat I agree. Why change now?

Dolan likes to shave the bellies of his distained and make them lie in their own urine.

He will try to get Isiah as uncomfortable as possible and isolate him. He will try to get him to accept a buyout offer so he can move on with his life. He won't get in Walsh's way, and dolan likley told Walsh "you have full control, and Isiah won't be a problem, I just want to Phuch with him for a few months and get my rocks off!".

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quote:
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Thomas was asked following the game if he would have any regrets if his tenure as coach was ending.

"No, I look back and I look at what we started with and where we're going and I think we have a very bright future," Thomas said.
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Now, that's the joke of the century. Wait, yesterday (when he was interviewed) was April 1st!

For ****s and giggles:

37-45 the record of the team Isiah inherited

20-54 where the Knicks are going with Isiah after 4 1/2 years

Does Isiah really think that anybody believes what he says anymore?
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