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Danilo Gallinari Is Very Tempting, But Howcum Nobody Is Talking About Russell Westbrook?
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4/1/2008  11:19 AM
panos - c'mon, you may not see anything great in any player who has been nailed to the pine.

Great? Morris young man still feeling his way in the dark. Nothing more. I don't expect "great" in limited cameos.

I expect him to continue to work on his game and learn. I, for one, am willing to afford him the opportunity to work through the pitfalls of a bumpy rookie season and come back with a refreshed outlook.
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5/23/2008  6:31 AM
What About Nate?

Westbrook provides the Knicks a possibility to remake the backcourt in two years through the draft, with intelligence and consistent shot-making ability

Next year - Stephen Curry
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6/25/2008  6:38 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

He looks like he is two years 20 pounds a consistent jumpshot away from being a legit first round pick--he is NOT ready for the NBA--he's way to skinny with way to many holes at this point. If this kid comes out he is making a mistake and any team reaching for him in the top 20 better be prepared to have him in the D league.

my how times have changed.
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6/25/2008  7:11 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

He looks like he is two years 20 pounds a consistent jumpshot away from being a legit first round pick--he is NOT ready for the NBA--he's way to skinny with way to many holes at this point. If this kid comes out he is making a mistake and any team reaching for him in the top 20 better be prepared to have him in the D league.

my how times have changed.


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6/25/2008  7:39 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

He looks like he is two years 20 pounds a consistent jumpshot away from being a legit first round pick--he is NOT ready for the NBA--he's way to skinny with way to many holes at this point. If this kid comes out he is making a mistake and any team reaching for him in the top 20 better be prepared to have him in the D league.

my how times have changed.

TMS that was three months ago. Ive had Westbrook in my top 6-8 since the final four--I posted frankly why I changed my mind. Who cares--what did you know about this draft 3 months ago? Who knows who cares mustve taken you a long time to look for that but with 15k posts[with very little content i may add] in the last 3 years and managing a sports forum that no one posts on but yourself and the six handles you made up to talk back and forth--you certianly have a lot of time to looksie? Why dont you go over to real GM about 3 years ago and find my post where I said Joe Alexander would be a lottery pick after I saw him in warm ups at a Uconn game during his freshmen year when no one knew who he even was. he still had the 40 inch vertical. This was a tough draft--I remember very well when I thought Deandre Jordan was pick 2 --and so did many draft websites but the bottom line is players stock rise and fall. I was involved with AAU basketball for years--I saw guys like Amare Stoudemire person multiple times before he was even considered an NBA prospect among dozens of other NBA players. I bet I have seen more HS and college ball in one year than you have seen in your whole life. I cant get around like I used to because of illness but that doesnt take away from how involved I was for many many years. I don't need to prove anything--anyone who has posted here or on nybaskteball since 2001 know that I know my stuff pretty well. If you put a lot of content and opinions out there --you are bound to be wrong at times and also have changes of opinions. Dont worry I am not about to go back and look up the jibber you posted 15-16k times--it's the same old thing times yada yada yada belch

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6/25/2008  7:47 PM
Briggs, you take yourself too seriously. You're not a scout. You're just a fan like the rest of us. There's no special ability that you have over anyone else. You root for the team like the rest of us. So stop trying to act like you are the master and act more like a fan. Sitting here and trying to lecture people on why you think this guy is great and this guy isn't and trying to use your history as an example is wrong. You have been wrong on players as well. Everyone is wrong. But nobody here is passing themselves off as a draft expert. We're all fans rooting for the same cause. Relax with the ego trips.
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6/25/2008  7:52 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

He looks like he is two years 20 pounds a consistent jumpshot away from being a legit first round pick--he is NOT ready for the NBA--he's way to skinny with way to many holes at this point. If this kid comes out he is making a mistake and any team reaching for him in the top 20 better be prepared to have him in the D league.

my how times have changed.

TMS that was three months ago. Ive had Westbrook in my top 6-8 since the final four--I posted frankly why I changed my mind. Who cares--what did you know about this draft 3 months ago? Who knows who cares mustve taken you a long time to look for that but with 15k posts[with very little content i may add] in the last 3 years and managing a sports forum that no one posts on but yourself and the six handles you made up to talk back and forth--you certianly have a lot of time to looksie? Why dont you go over to real GM about 3 years ago and find my post where I said Joe Alexander would be a lottery pick after I saw him in warm ups at a Uconn game during his freshmen year when no one knew who he even was. he still had the 40 inch vertical. This was a tough draft--I remember very well when I thought Deandre Jordan was pick 2 --and so did many draft websites but the bottom line is players stock rise and fall. I was involved with AAU basketball for years--I saw guys like Amare Stoudemire person multiple times before he was even considered an NBA prospect among dozens of other NBA players. I bet I have seen more HS and college ball in one year than you have seen in your whole life. I cant get around like I used to because of illness but that doesnt take away from how involved I was for many many years. I don't need to prove anything--anyone who has posted here or on nybaskteball since 2001 know that I know my stuff pretty well. If you put a lot of content and opinions out there --you are bound to be wrong at times and also have changes of opinions. Dont worry I am not about to go back and look up the jibber you posted 15-16k times--it's the same old thing times yada yada yada belch

Good day to ya

LOL theres nothing wrong with changing opinions. Its just a forum. You could just be like me and not follow basketball but than second guess everyone else
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6/25/2008  8:01 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

He looks like he is two years 20 pounds a consistent jumpshot away from being a legit first round pick--he is NOT ready for the NBA--he's way to skinny with way to many holes at this point. If this kid comes out he is making a mistake and any team reaching for him in the top 20 better be prepared to have him in the D league.

my how times have changed.

TMS that was three months ago. Ive had Westbrook in my top 6-8 since the final four--I posted frankly why I changed my mind. Who cares--what did you know about this draft 3 months ago? Who knows who cares mustve taken you a long time to look for that but with 15k posts[with very little content i may add] in the last 3 years and managing a sports forum that no one posts on but yourself and the six handles you made up to talk back and forth--you certianly have a lot of time to looksie? Why dont you go over to real GM about 3 years ago and find my post where I said Joe Alexander would be a lottery pick after I saw him in warm ups at a Uconn game during his freshmen year when no one knew who he even was. he still had the 40 inch vertical. This was a tough draft--I remember very well when I thought Deandre Jordan was pick 2 --and so did many draft websites but the bottom line is players stock rise and fall. I was involved with AAU basketball for years--I saw guys like Amare Stoudemire person multiple times before he was even considered an NBA prospect among dozens of other NBA players. I bet I have seen more HS and college ball in one year than you have seen in your whole life. I cant get around like I used to because of illness but that doesnt take away from how involved I was for many many years. I don't need to prove anything--anyone who has posted here or on nybaskteball since 2001 know that I know my stuff pretty well. If you put a lot of content and opinions out there --you are bound to be wrong at times and also have changes of opinions. Dont worry I am not about to go back and look up the jibber you posted 15-16k times--it's the same old thing times yada yada yada belch

Good day to ya

seems like i touched a nerve. interesting that you take such offense whenever i point out your contradictions... i guess you've gotten too used to the ass kissing you've been receiving for the past several years.

don't worry BRIGGS, i still remember the good ol' days when you used to call urself riphamilton on the MSG boards & kept telling me we had to bring Shareef Abdur Rahim to NY. ah the good ol' days.
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6/26/2008  12:02 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

He looks like he is two years 20 pounds a consistent jumpshot away from being a legit first round pick--he is NOT ready for the NBA--he's way to skinny with way to many holes at this point. If this kid comes out he is making a mistake and any team reaching for him in the top 20 better be prepared to have him in the D league.

my how times have changed.

TMS that was three months ago. Ive had Westbrook in my top 6-8 since the final four--I posted frankly why I changed my mind. Who cares--what did you know about this draft 3 months ago? Who knows who cares mustve taken you a long time to look for that but with 15k posts[with very little content i may add] in the last 3 years and managing a sports forum that no one posts on but yourself and the six handles you made up to talk back and forth--you certianly have a lot of time to looksie? Why dont you go over to real GM about 3 years ago and find my post where I said Joe Alexander would be a lottery pick after I saw him in warm ups at a Uconn game during his freshmen year when no one knew who he even was. he still had the 40 inch vertical. This was a tough draft--I remember very well when I thought Deandre Jordan was pick 2 --and so did many draft websites but the bottom line is players stock rise and fall. I was involved with AAU basketball for years--I saw guys like Amare Stoudemire person multiple times before he was even considered an NBA prospect among dozens of other NBA players. I bet I have seen more HS and college ball in one year than you have seen in your whole life. I cant get around like I used to because of illness but that doesnt take away from how involved I was for many many years. I don't need to prove anything--anyone who has posted here or on nybaskteball since 2001 know that I know my stuff pretty well. If you put a lot of content and opinions out there --you are bound to be wrong at times and also have changes of opinions. Dont worry I am not about to go back and look up the jibber you posted 15-16k times--it's the same old thing times yada yada yada belch

Good day to ya

seems like i touched a nerve. interesting that you take such offense whenever i point out your contradictions... i guess you've gotten too used to the ass kissing you've been receiving for the past several years.

don't worry BRIGGS, i still remember the good ol' days when you used to call urself riphamilton on the MSG boards & kept telling me we had to bring Shareef Abdur Rahim to NY. ah the good ol' days.

TMS, enough already, let it go bro.
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6/26/2008  12:07 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

He looks like he is two years 20 pounds a consistent jumpshot away from being a legit first round pick--he is NOT ready for the NBA--he's way to skinny with way to many holes at this point. If this kid comes out he is making a mistake and any team reaching for him in the top 20 better be prepared to have him in the D league.

my how times have changed.

TMS that was three months ago. Ive had Westbrook in my top 6-8 since the final four--I posted frankly why I changed my mind. Who cares--what did you know about this draft 3 months ago? Who knows who cares mustve taken you a long time to look for that but with 15k posts[with very little content i may add] in the last 3 years and managing a sports forum that no one posts on but yourself and the six handles you made up to talk back and forth--you certianly have a lot of time to looksie? Why dont you go over to real GM about 3 years ago and find my post where I said Joe Alexander would be a lottery pick after I saw him in warm ups at a Uconn game during his freshmen year when no one knew who he even was. he still had the 40 inch vertical. This was a tough draft--I remember very well when I thought Deandre Jordan was pick 2 --and so did many draft websites but the bottom line is players stock rise and fall. I was involved with AAU basketball for years--I saw guys like Amare Stoudemire person multiple times before he was even considered an NBA prospect among dozens of other NBA players. I bet I have seen more HS and college ball in one year than you have seen in your whole life. I cant get around like I used to because of illness but that doesnt take away from how involved I was for many many years. I don't need to prove anything--anyone who has posted here or on nybaskteball since 2001 know that I know my stuff pretty well. If you put a lot of content and opinions out there --you are bound to be wrong at times and also have changes of opinions. Dont worry I am not about to go back and look up the jibber you posted 15-16k times--it's the same old thing times yada yada yada belch

Good day to ya

seems like i touched a nerve. interesting that you take such offense whenever i point out your contradictions... i guess you've gotten too used to the ass kissing you've been receiving for the past several years.

don't worry BRIGGS, i still remember the good ol' days when you used to call urself riphamilton on the MSG boards & kept telling me we had to bring Shareef Abdur Rahim to NY. ah the good ol' days.

TMS, enough already, let it go bro.

You should take some time to review Briggs quality of posting and responses. It seems like you pick and choose who to give warnings to. I understand you're a Mod and they do as they please but equality should always be the Premium here.
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6/26/2008  12:44 AM
martin, apologies i'm not trying to be a troll, just questioning this guy on his contradictions cuz he acts like he's the end all & be all on draft prospects around here... personally i don't think that warrants some of the personal digs he takes on me in response but if you don't want me to pursue it i won't.

let me just tell u tho that it makes this otherwise awesome forum a very frustrating place to post on when certain posters are afforded preferential treatment over others.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-25-2008 11:40 PM]
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6/26/2008  9:35 AM
Posted by TMS:

martin, apologies i'm not trying to be a troll, just questioning this guy on his contradictions cuz he acts like he's the end all & be all on draft prospects around here... personally i don't think that warrants some of the personal digs he takes on me in response but if you don't want me to pursue it i won't.

let me just tell u tho that it makes this otherwise awesome forum a very frustrating place to post on when certain posters are afforded preferential treatment over others.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-25-2008 11:40 PM]

if you disagree with his ideas, slog away, I have no problems with that. I want to cut the personal digs from all sides.
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6/26/2008  2:20 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:

martin, apologies i'm not trying to be a troll, just questioning this guy on his contradictions cuz he acts like he's the end all & be all on draft prospects around here... personally i don't think that warrants some of the personal digs he takes on me in response but if you don't want me to pursue it i won't.

let me just tell u tho that it makes this otherwise awesome forum a very frustrating place to post on when certain posters are afforded preferential treatment over others.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-25-2008 11:40 PM]

if you disagree with his ideas, slog away, I have no problems with that. I want to cut the personal digs from all sides.

bro that's what i've been doing... i call him out on these contradictions & then he comes back at me w/the tired ol digs on my forums & tries to divert the topic on what he deems as my lack of basketball knowledge... & you're giving ME the warning... what's up with that? shouldn't u be telling BRIGGS to keep it to basketball & not me?

i think u've seen me around long enough to know i only take things to a personal level when i'm provoked on that level... i have normal discussions on basketball w/just about everyone on these forums, but BRIGGS seems to think he's above the rest & can say what he wants while the rest of us need to mind what we say back to him... i find that highly hypocritical.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-26-2008 11:24 AM]
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6/26/2008  2:24 PM
all briggs posts are basketball ideas - they change over time, but he usually explains himself and is realistic and informative. everyone's opinion on draft prospects changes - especially with the draft, you get new information, you update your opinion.

before the elite eight, no one had derrick rose going number 1. he has two amazing games in a row and suddenly everyone says he's the best pg prospect since kidd. i don't know why so many people get on briggs for updating his ratings on players, that's what the entire league does. i'd rather read his revised opinions on players than another "how can we get oj mayo?" thread. we aren't getting mayo, we might be getting one or two of the guys briggs talks about. that's the difference to me.
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6/26/2008  2:26 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

all briggs posts are basketball ideas
riiiiiight... what are you his attorney? read some of the crap he writes & then tell me he keeps it on the up & up... he gets what he dishes out dude.
Originally posted by BRIGGS:

mustve taken you a long time to look for that but with 15k posts[with very little content i may add] in the last 3 years and managing a sports forum that no one posts on but yourself and the six handles you made up to talk back and forth--you certianly have a lot of time to looksie?
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anyway, this is pointless... i'm gonna dish out the same level of convo as people dish at me, bottomline.
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6/26/2008  2:30 PM
Oh guys, ease up on BRIGGS. Or don't ease up, suit yourself.

You just have to remember 2 rules with BRIGGS:

1) Everyone who is involved with UCONN in any way is great or about to be great!
2) Whoever he saw play great yesterday is great and should be on the Knicks!

(I'm not piling on BRIGGS all in good fun...)

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6/26/2008  2:31 PM
to be fair, whoever any of us saw play yesterday would probably be an upgrade for the knicks.
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6/26/2008  2:50 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

all briggs posts are basketball ideas - they change over time, but he usually explains himself and is realistic and informative. everyone's opinion on draft prospects changes - especially with the draft, you get new information, you update your opinion.

before the elite eight, no one had derrick rose going number 1. he has two amazing games in a row and suddenly everyone says he's the best pg prospect since kidd. i don't know why so many people get on briggs for updating his ratings on players, that's what the entire league does. i'd rather read his revised opinions on players than another "how can we get oj mayo?" thread. we aren't getting mayo, we might be getting one or two of the guys briggs talks about. that's the difference to me.


It has more to do than what you're trying to portray here. For example he'll basically clown someone for thinking Eric Gordon could turn out to be a good prospect, after individuals give very articulate, well thought out reasons as to why they believe so. He'll whine and cry about how his assessments are being slept on yada yada and if you don't follow his flow he'll create a separate thread mind you(hence the one he made for King and the many others he's made without necessarily attaching anyone's name but you could figure it out if you had discussion with him) instead of just staying in the thread where the discussion was taking place and make his points there. He also calls posters out, or takes digs at them for being hypocritical in their assessments of talent. But please don't do it to him otherwise you're deemed a FREAK. He doesn't necessarily name call, but he's just as abrasive and rude as posters like Isles, myself,(who get called out on it quicker than you can get a woody looking at an Alba pic) oohah, and others can be at times. That's tacky and uncalled for no matter what anyone says.

Some are expressing disappointment over those who are making a big deal over his classlessness and total hypocrisy while condoning his accountability. Then it turns into an even bigger deal than what it needs to be. Look I have no problem with Briggs presenting his cases or tooting his horn when it comes to past/present draft talk discussions. But when he's out of line, which he has been he's fair game and should be addressed by the Mods regardless of his UK history credibility plain and simple. Whether you deal with him directly in a thread or you pull quotes with links as far back as the 1920's. This isn't a popularity contest folks we all need to be treated the same. This also isn't exclusive to Briggs either.

In most cases I very rarely cry for getting reprimanded for being over the top because quite frankly it can happen. We get amped up over this because basketball is our life. Let's just make sure it isn't exclusive to a select few and exercise some equality as I said earlier.




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-26-2008 1:53 PM]
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