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The Donnie Walsh (Mark Jackson would be perfect) Chronicles
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djsunyc
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3/18/2008  12:15 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Praise Colangelo all you want, but this is the bonehead that traded kidd, which I understand, for Marbury, which I understand, and gave him max money! The Suns have not won a title either, so why is this guy so high on alls list?

i think he traded kidd b/c of his spousal abuse. colangelo got rid of any player with baggage. steph got caught with a dui when he got to pheonix and was traded less than a year later.

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Panos
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3/18/2008  12:25 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Nalod:

Praise Colangelo all you want, but this is the bonehead that traded kidd, which I understand, for Marbury, which I understand, and gave him max money! The Suns have not won a title either, so why is this guy so high on alls list?

i think he traded kidd b/c of his spousal abuse. colangelo got rid of any player with baggage. steph got caught with a dui when he got to pheonix and was traded less than a year later.


Question is, does steph ever drive sober.
He definitely never interviews sober.

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3/18/2008  12:32 PM
Frankly I think the Colangelos are good GMs put they got lucky some idiot took Marbury or that franchise would have been ****ed. Not to mention they moved Joe Johnson instead of locking them up early for nothing.

Brian is doing a very overated job in toronto as of right now, ford is just ok, the italian kid was the wrong choice, but anything is better than what we have. I guess you have to cater towards your market especially in toronto.

Why not Mark Jackson he was a good pg not a great pg which is important because he knows how to get the best of out his skills something great players take for granted in many respects. He is respected by players, knows what NY is all about and would bring in Ewing to work on the bench a very important addition to the heritage of this team.

We need to get lucky in the draft, move curry and crawford and start to build. Get childress and lowry and guys like that to go with David Lee. I even think jackson could get Artest to behave and be a great addition.

I would love to see the following

Lowry
Artest/Nate
Chandler/Balkman
Zack (not going anywhere)
Lee

I think if we start to get guys like that we are not to far away from bringing in the professionalism we need.
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3/18/2008  12:48 PM
The fact that Walsh hired Isiah once is cause for concern. That means there could be the possibiltiy of Walsh retaining Isiah as coach. Also, don't forget that Isiah has 3 years left on his deal. I am sure that Dolan wouldn't be too thrilled to have to pay Isiah for doing nothing (see Larry Brown). Dolan might figure that Walsh might be the only person who could straighten out Isiah.

Also, is anyone else concerned with Walsh's age. At 67 does he really have the energy to deal with this mess each and everyday? The Knicks are in a situation where it might be 2-3 years before we are respectable again. Can Walsh handle that type of grind?

[Edited by - Cousinjoey on 03-18-2008 4:21 PM]
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3/18/2008  1:02 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Praise Colangelo all you want, but this is the bonehead that traded kidd, which I understand, for Marbury, which I understand, and gave him max money! The Suns have not won a title either, so why is this guy so high on alls list?

Probably because he's 10 times better than what we have now, despite never having won a title. That's like saying why trade Zach Randolph for Steve Nash since Nash hasn't won a title.

Also The Marbury thing was Bryan Colangelo. He's not available because he's with the Raptors. Jerry Colangelo was the one who first took over for the suns and was responsible for forming the first suns finals team with Leonard Truck Robinson, Connie Hawkins, and the Van Arsdale Brothers (whoever those guys are). I don't really know much about that team, but I do know that that was the team that had that triple overtime game against the boston celtics in the NBA finals, a game which some consider the best game ever played. He also rebuilt the team after that first team reached it's ceiling by creating the Dan Majerlie, Charles Barkley, and Kevin Johnson Finals team.

As for Walsh, I think he's a pretty good General Manager. The Current Jail Pacers team is mostly the fault of Larry Bird who has been the GM there for the last 5 seasons, although Walsh did acquire Artest, Stephen Jackson, and Jamaal Tinsley. I would say that Walsh is impressive because he put the finishing together that 52 win pacer team with Reggie Miller, Rick Smits, and Chris Mullin. Under Walsh the Pacers made it to the NBA finals for the first time in franchise history.

Perhaps more impressive is the way he rebuilt the team after they got too old. He replaced them with Jermaine Oneal, Brad Miller, and Ron artest, Al Harrington, and Jamaal Tinsley pretty quickly. They didn't really go through much of a down time between the Reggie Miller era and the Jermaine Oneal era. He did Make some mistakes though, like trading Brad Miller away for next to nothing because he (or it may have been ownership) didn't want to fork over enough money to keep him. and trading Antonio Davis for Jonathan Bender.

In any case I certainly wouldn't have a problem with Dolan hiring someone who has presided over 2 different NBA finals teams to be our GM. Both Colangelo and Walsh have done that.



[Edited by - Slimpack on 03-18-2008 1:09 PM]

[Edited by - Slimpack on 03-20-2008 07:56 AM]
Nalod
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3/18/2008  3:38 PM

LIke I said, "I understand" trading Kidd.

The PHX team that went against the celtics with Alvin Adams and Westphal was a cool team.

I never said Colangelo sucked, I just think he is in savior status mode and the hopes get high.

A change of thinking is what is needed to clean up the mess Isiah made.

I think what is most important is that PHX was remade to allow for flexibility and it was a brilliant plan. Last year was their year except Pop flat out coached D'antoni and stole the series.
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3/18/2008  3:44 PM
there is no savior.

the hope is that the team doesn't become a national embarrassment, get some players that can play well together and make the playoffs. if along the path they are able to get lucky and draft a superstar, so be it...otherwise that's all you can do and all you can hope for from a new gm.

colangelo is overrated in toronto? quite the opposite. i think he singlehandedly saved a franchise from extinction (pun intended). building an elite team is DAMN HARD in this watered down league. but putting together a competative team is all you can hope for. the goal should be to become denver, wizards or utah b/c that's attainable.

if the knicks weren't able to give ewing a perennial allstar in 15 years then expecting a savior is foolish.
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3/18/2008  4:11 PM
what has walsh done to make you guys think he'll do any better
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3/18/2008  4:13 PM
indiana is stuck
they are actually worse than ny
they have no young guys to build on or trade
thier franchise player would rather be here
and larry sucks (that has nothing to do with it but i dont like him)
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3/18/2008  11:00 PM
walsh had built up arguably the best team in the NBA until the malace at the palace, that team was nasty. plus he's a new yorker and maybe would have some legit vested interest in returning the knicks to respectability.

i mean, anything is better than isiah. if next year it was walsh+skiles (jackson maybe as an ast? it'd be unheard of for him to just start as a head coach with no prior coaching experience (even avery johnson was a AST for a while).

if it is walsh+skiles i think rose is the best fit for some reason, just a hunch.
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3/18/2008  11:35 PM
Walsh?! Yes' big time!

Jackson? He blows! We can do much better.

We need some enthusiasm on the side and someone who can instill 'REAL' discipline into the young guys.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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3/18/2008  11:37 PM
Not for nothing this guy looks like he is close to a dirt nap. We need a young GM thats has control. We dont need the old school guys to fix the thug life players that come into the league every year. Im sorry but the NBA is getting worse and worse with these players coming in. All it is about is the Bling and nothing else. I just shake my head every day when guys refuse to defend or pass the rock.
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3/18/2008  11:38 PM
It would be a wet dream, definitely.
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3/18/2008  11:50 PM
Posted by Panos:

I don't care if Isiah stays on as coach next year.
The point is to start remedying the problems with the roster with someone who knows what they are doing. Let Zeke sit there and get booed every night thru the rebuild. Who cares.

How can you say that? Why do you want them to waste their time like they are now? Wouldn't you rather have someone come in and teach them how to play at this level? Right now, nobody is learning anything except bad habits. They don't know how to run offensive sets, they don't know how to play defense and they know nothing about being professionals. Oh wait, they do know how to dress well. That's Isiah's legacy.

They desperately need a new head coach who will teach the young players that the new GM brings in. Someone who won't constantly put his own personal agendas ahead of the team.
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3/19/2008  12:13 AM
Posted by Panos:

I don't care if Isiah stays on as coach next year.
The point is to start remedying the problems with the roster with someone who knows what they are doing. Let Zeke sit there and get booed every night thru the rebuild. Who cares.

Auuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh.................I think you better think twice before you wish.

isiah can have jordan, Bird, Kareem, Magic, Dr. J, Duncan, Iverson on this team and still somehow **** it up.

It won't be the new GM that would be the problem. The poison will still be on the bench.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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3/19/2008  11:04 AM
Posted by Nalod:


LIke I said, "I understand" trading Kidd.

The PHX team that went against the celtics with Alvin Adams and Westphal was a cool team.

I never said Colangelo sucked, I just think he is in savior status mode and the hopes get high.

A change of thinking is what is needed to clean up the mess Isiah made.

I think what is most important is that PHX was remade to allow for flexibility and it was a brilliant plan. Last year was their year except Pop flat out coached D'antoni and stole the series.

I disagree that he is a "savior". I think some fans will fell that way, but they will feel that way about whoever is hired. The question is can the guy we hire do the job. If Colangelo/Walsh are allowed to work than yes. They've already proven they know what they are doing and that is who we need to hire. It's no guarantee that it will work, but at least we know we are putting the team in capable hands. These aren't guys that are going to bow to Dolan pressure like a fresh kid might. Sure they probably will be run out of town and villified like LB was, but at least you are giving yourself a chance.
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3/19/2008  12:51 PM
It is also likely that Walsh would seek assurances that Dolan stay away from the day-to-day operations of the team.

It remains to be seen whether a new team president would have the authority to decide Thomas’s fate as coach. Dolan signed Thomas to a multiyear, multimillion-dollar contract extension a year ago, and he may prefer to keep him on the bench.

Walsh, who gave Thomas his first coaching job, may be the one N.B.A. executive who would agree to that arrangement. (It was Bird, not Walsh, who fired Thomas as Pacers coach in 2003.)

The other wild card in play is the Simon brothers. Walsh has run their team since 1986, and by all accounts they want to keep him. That could mean firing Bird and handing daily control of the team back to Walsh. Although Walsh hired Bird, first as the coach and later as the team president, their working relationship has been strained in recent years. Bird acknowledged this week for the first time that he may not be back after the season.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/sports/basketball/19knicks.html?_r=2&ref=basketball&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Walsh's relationships are more important to investigate than just his credentials

Does Dolan change Knicks corporate policy to suit Bronx-born (as I am) Donnie?
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3/20/2008  1:19 AM
i wouldn't mind having Jax become our next head coach... i think he'd do a good job & could teach some guys on this team how to be a ball distributor & get your teammates involved in the games instead of focusing on how to be a scoring G the way Isiah's tried to do w/these guys since he's been coaching this team.
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3/20/2008  7:27 AM
Whoever comes in I plead that they and the coach are on the same page
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3/20/2008  8:31 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Whoever comes in I plead that they and the coach are on the same page

I believe that a guy like Walsh is smart enough to know that he has to have HIS kind of guy on the bench. I also happen to think Mark Jackson would do fine as a coach. There's no way to know 100%, but you get the sense that he's got the knowledge to do it, the only thing is what kind of skills he has in dealing with players. Can he get players to give 110% on both ends?

Walsh i'm not worried about. He did well in a small city and with MSG's resources he should be able to do even more. NY is a good town for qualified execs to succeed. You have the money you need to get what you need and that's a good thing. I expect him to be frugal, but if he needs to make a deal that might put the team into more luxury tax, he knows he can get that too.
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