Posted by Cash:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Nate is another manifestation of how badly this roster is structured. He's nothing but a one dimensional, undisciplined chucker, who needs to have the ball in his hands in order to be effective. Offensive production doesn't impress me unless it's done within a flow of the scheme and produce off of others, at a high efficiency rate, and makes others in the system better. If such player provides little to no D then he starts to cancel most of what he brings to the table offensively.



Let's KEEP IT REAL folks. Any player with average, decent, to good offensive skills can score in this league if given those opportunities. The league is geared towards offensive players What does a player do when those chances are limited? What other intangibles does the player bring to the game? As we can see Nate is on his way to possibly becoming a player like Stephon Marbury instead of a player like Kevin Johnson. I'm not that impressed with Nate, although he may have made slight improvement.

you have no idea what you are talking about. Nate is not one dimensional.

The dude rebounds, passes, drives, shoots, and is on top of every lose ball out there. He doesn't need the ball to be effective cause he is a very good shooter. Right now, no one is setting him up with open shots, cause we don't have a pg on the roster. And, his defense is fine against pg's. The biggest problem with our defense is that our bigs can't hold their own, so we constantly have to double with our guards, which creates open perimeter shots.

Not really sure what you mean by Nate not needing the ball to be effective because he is a shooter. Shooters obviously need the ball to be effective. Then you state his defense is fine against PGs. Really ? Then why does he fail to defend the pick and roll on a nightly basis ? His toughness is there, I see him diving for loose balls, and he has a good ability to get to the FT line. But his defense from a general perspective is definitely in need of improvements, and I'm still not sold on his work ethic.

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by Cash:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Nate is another manifestation of how badly this roster is structured. He's nothing but a one dimensional, undisciplined chucker, who needs to have the ball in his hands in order to be effective. Offensive production doesn't impress me unless it's done within a flow of the scheme and produce off of others, at a high efficiency rate, and makes others in the system better. If such player provides little to no D then he starts to cancel most of what he brings to the table offensively.



Let's KEEP IT REAL folks. Any player with average, decent, to good offensive skills can score in this league if given those opportunities. The league is geared towards offensive players What does a player do when those chances are limited? What other intangibles does the player bring to the game? As we can see Nate is on his way to possibly becoming a player like Stephon Marbury instead of a player like Kevin Johnson. I'm not that impressed with Nate, although he may have made slight improvement.

you have no idea what you are talking about. Nate is not one dimensional.

The dude rebounds, passes, drives, shoots, and is on top of every lose ball out there. He doesn't need the ball to be effective cause he is a very good shooter. Right now, no one is setting him up with open shots, cause we don't have a pg on the roster. And, his defense is fine against pg's. The biggest problem with our defense is that our bigs can't hold their own, so we constantly have to double with our guards, which creates open perimeter shots.

Hey Cash why do you even bother the KNICKS AND NATE SUCK PERIOD! God forbid that Nate had a great game and we actually liked it. Geez. Let me see any of you mothers go out there(I think majority of you are taller than he is) and play a quarter let a alone pretty much the entire game. He kept us in the game, took us to OT and he barely had any help yet he sucks.

Nate gets credit for his offensive abilities and for the most part consistent effort but I'm tired of us giving credit to players like Crawford, Curry, Nate, etc etc when their play doesn't equate to victory. Nate scored 45pts, Craw crossed up Deron and Hinrich, Curry commands double and triple teams, The Mayor is already better than Trevor Ariza...................AND????????? WHAT????????

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-09-2008 2:04 PM]

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by Cash:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Nate is another manifestation of how badly this roster is structured. He's nothing but a one dimensional, undisciplined chucker, who needs to have the ball in his hands in order to be effective. Offensive production doesn't impress me unless it's done within a flow of the scheme and produce off of others, at a high efficiency rate, and makes others in the system better. If such player provides little to no D then he starts to cancel most of what he brings to the table offensively.



Let's KEEP IT REAL folks. Any player with average, decent, to good offensive skills can score in this league if given those opportunities. The league is geared towards offensive players What does a player do when those chances are limited? What other intangibles does the player bring to the game? As we can see Nate is on his way to possibly becoming a player like Stephon Marbury instead of a player like Kevin Johnson. I'm not that impressed with Nate, although he may have made slight improvement.

you have no idea what you are talking about. Nate is not one dimensional.

The dude rebounds, passes, drives, shoots, and is on top of every lose ball out there. He doesn't need the ball to be effective cause he is a very good shooter. Right now, no one is setting him up with open shots, cause we don't have a pg on the roster. And, his defense is fine against pg's. The biggest problem with our defense is that our bigs can't hold their own, so we constantly have to double with our guards, which creates open perimeter shots.

Not really sure what you mean by Nate not needing the ball to be effective because he is a shooter. Shooters obviously need the ball to be effective. Then you state his defense is fine against PGs. Really ? Then why does he fail to defend the pick and roll on a nightly basis ? His toughness is there, I see him diving for loose balls, and he has a good ability to get to the FT line. But his defense from a general perspective is definitely in need of improvements, and I'm still not sold on his work ethic.

When people refer to needing the ball on offense to be effective, they are refferring to a player that needs to dominate the ball like marbury or crawford. Nate is a much better shooter than either one of them, and thus doesn't need the ball in the same way. But, the point is he does a bunch of other stuff as well. He is being effective by rebounding very well for a guard, and by diving for those lose balls. He is being effective by bringing the energy every night.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by 4949:

And if Nate doesn't work out, your left with a little buster and a floor general who can't score.

If your always scared about if something deosn't workout then you will never accomplish anything. If you get a floor general to spit time wiht Nate and it doesn't workout, at least you had a plan or a vision.

How wouldn't Nate workout though? Your asking him to do what he does best. Score, energize, create plays. The risk of him not working out would be minimized. Asking him to turn into a superstar PG who can lead this team would be a risk. Asking him to be who he is, just more mature isn't. Instead you created his role and put him into a position of strength.

Remember Ward & Childs. Ward new his role was to defend and be a floor general. Childs new his role was to defend and provide a scoring punch at PG since Ward wasn't cappable. Both player complimented each other. Both players skills did what the other player couldn't. We needed scoring at PG we put in Childs. We needed a floor general to take care of the ball we put out Ward.

isiah had a plan and a vision and it turned out disasterous. Mentioning childs and ward doesn't give any worth either. Let's see what nate does next game or two. Let's see if he lives up to the call of superstar.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Nate is another manifestation of how badly this roster is structured. He's nothing but a one dimensional, undisciplined chucker, who needs to have the ball in his hands in order to be effective. Offensive production doesn't impress me unless it's done within a flow of the scheme, produces off of others, at a high efficiency rate, and makes others in the system better. If such player provides little to no D then he starts to cancel most of what he brings to the table offensively.



Let's KEEP IT REAL folks. Any player with average, decent, to good offensive skills can score in this league if given those opportunities. The league is geared towards offensive players What does a player do when those chances are limited? What other intangibles does the player bring to the game? As we can see Nate is on his way to possibly becoming a player like Stephon Marbury instead of a player like Kevin Johnson. I'm not that impressed with Nate, although he may have made slight improvement.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-09-2008 1:47 PM]

Posted by 4949:

this whole thing about nate is all moot anyway. if he didn't score 45, we wouldn't even be talking about him.

Posted by Cash:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by Cash:

Posted by 4949:

this whole thing about nate is all moot anyway. if he didn't score 45, we wouldn't even be talking about him.

Oh, no. People like vdesai have been talking about him and his low turnvoer to assist ratio for awhile now. You may not have noticed, but other people have.

If someone is talking about Nate's assist/turnover ratio, it better be about how bad it is, or how much it needs to improve.

He's currently 48th in that category, with a ratio of 2.09

They haven't been talking about his overall ratio. They are talking about a period over the last 2 months where it has drastically improved. His game has matured during that period, which is part of the reason why he is now starting.

He's starting because Loserbury is out for the year, I'm sure you're aware of Isiah's ways. If Loserbury is healthy, there's no way Isiah gives in to his delusional pride by letting Nate get the nod over Loserbury.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Nate is another manifestation of how badly this roster is structured. He's nothing but a one dimensional, undisciplined chucker, who needs to have the ball in his hands in order to be effective. Offensive production doesn't impress me unless it's done within a flow of the scheme, produces off of others, at a high efficiency rate, and makes others in the system better. If such player provides little to no D then he starts to cancel most of what he brings to the table offensively.



Let's KEEP IT REAL folks. Any player with average, decent, to good offensive skills can score in this league if given those opportunities. The league is geared towards offensive players What does a player do when those chances are limited? What other intangibles does the player bring to the game? As we can see Nate is on his way to possibly becoming a player like Stephon Marbury instead of a player like Kevin Johnson. I'm not that impressed with Nate, although he may have made slight improvement.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-09-2008 1:47 PM]

You can't expect nate to become Marbury or Kevin Johnson. Nate is more of a Bobby Jackson when he played for the Kings.

I was picking some extremes here but we better not put it past I SAY UGH who raved about Nate's PG skills and improvement at the position during summer league and in practice. If he's not fired at season's end watch him draft someone like Brook Lopez and pass on PG prospects because he feels he has his answers in the backcourt in Nate and Jamal(because of our culture to overrate our own players).

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-09-2008 2:39 PM]