Posted by tkf:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by GKFv2:

Do I understand basketball? Yes. Do you? Because clearly you don't.

Curry was far from *dominating*. That is a complete joke. Any 6'11, 300 lb center who gets 7 rebounds (career high) and half a block per game while starting and playing heavy minutes is a disgrace to the NBA. I don't care what you say. I'd rather my center rebound and play some defense like Chandler rather than charge into people for offensive fouls, not pass out of double teams, play like a pansy, and look morbidly obese.

Eddy Curry never had a work ethic and never will. Zach Randolph isn't to blame for that. Zach Randolph is his own person and player and he may have had a little to do with Curry's production but that doesn't give Curry an excuse to gain even more weight and play even more lazy. The guy is one the biggest busts in NBA history. A man his size and he plays like Mugsy Bogues.Hell, Bogues could out rebound this fat pathetic whale.

Playoff team? Where are you right now, Gilligan's Island? You must have been that Isisah follower that believed every word he said and probably thought that "injuries killed us last year" and it hindered us from showing our greatness. Yep, Isiah ruined it all by trading for Zach. Zach ruined everything man. He made Isiah bench Marbury and Marbury go AWOL, he made Jamal Crawford chuck shots, he made Randolph Morris and Chandler sit on the bench and he also destroyed the championship aspirations this team once had. Balkman, in all his glory, can only score off garbage buckets and plays decent defense. Lee already has developed with his jumper. Zach must have killed that too. Zach is the root of all evil.

Of course, the obese un-motivated career underachiever who plays center for this Knicks and really should be the Knicks mascot as the Pillsbury Doughboy never gets any blame. e's cool. He's a superstar. You'll see. He'll come back and *dominate* everyone with 19 and 7 and lead us to 33 wins. Eddy Curry is a man-beast!

I'd bet if you asked David Lee if the Zach Randolph trade was good for the Knicks he would say no.

A C *does not* have to get 12 rebounds as a requirement. Eddy avegared 19.5 points on 12.5 SPG last year. There was no doubt in my mind that his numbers could've gone up to 24-8 this year with a good offseason and no Zach Randolph trade. Guys like Balkman haven't developed a hair after showing solid intial assets. David Lee cannot seem to get 35 minutes per game on a consistent basis. The only players he's let go were the guards and that was by default. I think I'm as clear leveled fan as they come--when they sck I say it--and they do sck right now. I think Isiah had a very fair chance and has failed. He only has one person to blame--himself. The Knicks were going to win 40-42 games until Jamal went down last year. We had a core and we couldve built on that but the guy decided to destroy the landscape. If his creation ever had a chance--he surely fcked it up himself. If I was running the Knicks I certainly wouldn't throw Eddy Curry under the bus--release him--give me an expiring contract===I would do whatever I could to get Eddy back to his 2006 level--in better shape. I would want to be pro-active with what I have here and make decisions when I am NOT in a position of weakness. Except for the draft and possibly the ending contracts[or a combination of them together] the NUMBER one priority this offseason has to be getting Eddy Curry down 15 pounds and getting rid of Zach.

Briggs, I feel you and neither am I going to insult you these crazy "curry lover" or "Isiah lover" comments. I understand what youare trying to say here, and it does have merit because last year, like it or not, curry was productive and until jamal went down, the knicks were on their way to 40-42 wins.. but I want to ask you this... Before you put any more faith in curry, shouldn't you at least demand that the guy comes into camp in shape? I mean that should be job#1.. everything else is meaningless if he is not in shape.. and honestly, I don't think he has the focus and discipline to do so.. He just doesn't, so again, where does all of this Hope for a curry revival come from?

Posted by Klytus:

And for all of you still crying about the injuries last season, look at last years schedule in April. There is no way, no chance, absolutely impossible they would have made the Playoffs. So stop fooling yourselves. This roster, these players are a 30 win team AT BEST.

Posted by bitty41:

I know people here think I have this blind love for Zach but my real reason for defending him is because of threads like this. He's damed either way he goes. Moreso people still criticize him regardless if he's playing poorly or playing well. What Zach does on a nightly basis has absolutely no barring in how he's viewed. Eddy has spent the better part of this season pouting and when he steps out of the floor sometimes he plays as though he's never played a game in his life. Yet when Eddy Curry has one stinking game of 20 and 6 (Zach could easily grab that many bounds in a quarter) and the Eddy excuses begin again. Eddy would be putting up big numbers if it wasn't for Zach and this team is so much better when Zach wasn't here and he destroyed our chemistry. Yet this team never had any real "successful chemistry", they were never in any serious contention for a playoff spot, and Eddy can never be taken seriously with his lack of rebounding as a center. At least Zach doesn't need to be explained the basic responsibilities of his position.

A) the team did have decent chemistry and was playing well enough to be the 8 seed when Jamal got injured. sure, it was mediocre but that was better than horrible (and i'd be all for horrible if it meant we were actually gonna rebuild, but i doubt that)

B) zach goes out and does what he does. he's a talented scorer and good rebounder. but his concepts of defense, passing, help defense, setting picks, etc, is PATHETIC. i wish someone would explain these to him, but i doubt he'd listen.

I don't want Zach or Eddy on the team, but I can more easily imagine a winning team that includes Eddy Curry as a member of the team, with a defensive PF and a playmaking PG around to help him, than I can Zach who plays like he thinks he's Lebron or Kobe but with half the results. seriously, watch other players who dominate the ball as much as he does - usually those players score 40pts and even those guys pass a little. zach rarely passes unless he's passing out to a shooter with the clock winding down (which lead to his "assists"). he is so anti-ball movement, it's ridiculous. maybe he's playing worse and more selfishly because the wheels have come off here, but more likely it's just who he is.

as I've said - I'd ditch both guys.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by bitty41:

I know people here think I have this blind love for Zach but my real reason for defending him is because of threads like this. He's damed either way he goes. Moreso people still criticize him regardless if he's playing poorly or playing well. What Zach does on a nightly basis has absolutely no barring in how he's viewed. Eddy has spent the better part of this season pouting and when he steps out of the floor sometimes he plays as though he's never played a game in his life. Yet when Eddy Curry has one stinking game of 20 and 6 (Zach could easily grab that many bounds in a quarter) and the Eddy excuses begin again. Eddy would be putting up big numbers if it wasn't for Zach and this team is so much better when Zach wasn't here and he destroyed our chemistry. Yet this team never had any real "successful chemistry", they were never in any serious contention for a playoff spot, and Eddy can never be taken seriously with his lack of rebounding as a center. At least Zach doesn't need to be explained the basic responsibilities of his position.

I agree with you but you're still going out of your way to defend a loser.

I highlighted myself what Zach did 3gms ago with EY playing limited minutes. His stats blew EY's out of the water. If Zach was the player we traded 2 #1 for and 2 #2 rest assured "SWITCH IT UP" Mabury preacher style Curry apologists arguments, they'd be defending Zach and chiting on Curry. Regardless they're both a steaming, heaping pile of....






[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-04-2008 1:47 PM]

My thing is just being consistent. Because if Eddy or David Lee was putting up the numbers that Randolph does would there not be people here screaming for an all-star appearance would people not be saying that Curry is an elite center or that David Lee is on his way to being a super star? Look I am not saying that Zach is not deserving of criticsm or that trading for him was a smart move by Isiah (not that many of his moves are) but he was put into this situation and it was a mess before he got here so hitting rock bottom regardless if the Zach trade was made was inevitable as long as Isiah Thomas remained at the helm of this team.
Zach works way harder in the game then I've ever seen Curry. Remember this guy has had all of 2 games where he rebounded in double figures . Take for example Zach against Josh Smith (whose a very good defensive player) he went 29 points, 17 boards, and 5 assists. Now if any of our other Knick had that stat line we would not hear the end of it. Though I'm sure Bon Bon will try to explain to me how grabbing 17 rebounds in a game was not hard for Zach because he stole rebounds from his teammates to pat his stat line.



crzymdups
Your post just sounds like sour grapes. Come on Eddy Curry apart of a winning team when was the last time he led any team near the playoffs as a matter of fact this guy has spent his entire career underachieving yet you believe he could be apart of a winning team.

So trueblue like I said some people see what they want to see and hold other players to an entirely different standard.

Look I understand Eddy Curry has made a fool of some Knick fans who thought this guy could be an elite player one day in this league but stop the madness and give due where its owed and give criticism where its owed whether its Zach, Crawford, Nate, Lee, Curry, or whomever on this squad.

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by TrueBlue:

[quote]Posted by bitty41:

I know people here think I have this blind love for Zach but my real reason for defending him is because of threads like this. He's damed either way he goes. Moreso people still criticize him regardless if he's playing poorly or playing well. What Zach does on a nightly basis has absolutely no barring in how he's viewed. Eddy has spent the better part of this season pouting and when he steps out of the floor sometimes he plays as though he's never played a game in his life. Yet when Eddy Curry has one stinking game of 20 and 6 (Zach could easily grab that many bounds in a quarter) and the Eddy excuses begin again. Eddy would be putting up big numbers if it wasn't for Zach and this team is so much better when Zach wasn't here and he destroyed our chemistry. Yet this team never had any real "successful chemistry", they were never in any serious contention for a playoff spot, and Eddy can never be taken seriously with his lack of rebounding as a center. At least Zach doesn't need to be explained the basic responsibilities of his position.

I agree with you but you're still going out of your way to defend a loser.

I highlighted myself what Zach did 3gms ago with EY playing limited minutes. His stats blew EY's out of the water. If Zach was the player we traded 2 #1 for and 2 #2 rest assured "SWITCH IT UP" Mabury preacher style Curry apologists arguments, they'd be defending Zach and chiting on Curry. Regardless they're both a steaming, heaping pile of....






[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-04-2008 1:47 PM]

My thing is just being consistent. Because if Eddy or David Lee was putting up the numbers that Randolph does would there not be people here screaming for an all-star appearance would people not be saying that Curry is an elite center or that David Lee is on his way to being a super star? Look I am not saying that Zach is not deserving of criticsm or that trading for him was a smart move by Isiah (not that many of his moves are) but he was put into this situation and it was a mess before he got here so hitting rock bottom regardless if the Zach trade was made was inevitable as long as Isiah Thomas remained at the helm of this team.
Zach works way harder in the game then I've ever seen Curry. Remember this guy has had all of 2 games where he rebounded in double figures . Take for example Zach against Josh Smith (whose a very good defensive player) he went 29 points, 17 boards, and 5 assists. Now if any of our other Knick had that stat line we would not hear the end of it. Though I'm sure Bon Bon will try to explain to me how grabbing 17 rebounds in a game was not hard for Zach because he stole rebounds from his teammates to pat his stat line.



crzymdups
Your post just sounds like sour grapes. Come on Eddy Curry apart of a winning team when was the last time he led any team near the playoffs as a matter of fact this guy has spent his entire career underachieving yet you believe he could be apart of a winning team.

So trueblue like I said some people see what they want to see and hold other players to an entirely different standard.

Look I understand Eddy Curry has made a fool of some Knick fans who thought this guy could be an elite player one day in this league but stop the madness and give due where its owed and give criticism where its owed whether its Zach, Crawford, Nate, Lee, Curry, or whomever on this squad.

Zack stats became average numbers in current NBA for starting PF.
If you are looking for GOOD PF - look for balanced numbers with decent shot blocking and passing.
If you are looking for star caliber PF - look at multiple 20/20 games with 1-2 blocks and 1-2 assists.

Knicks being garbage in general doesn’t make Zack good player on the pure team landscape.
His numbers are empty as they never produced wins and he never made any team better.
Contrary he is chemistry destroyer and black hole, bad teammate, and primadonna character.
No wonder teams stay away from this fool’s gold




Right. If Zach was so good TEAM wise--why did Portland take nothing for him and improve? Why have the Knicks regressed? There are certain situations
any player can help a team win but having Zach Curry was so stupid--but this is along the lines of every thing isiah Thomas has done--