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iyamwutiam
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2/29/2008  6:33 PM
Even if what you're stating is true then it applies to about 90% of the GM/President/Owners in the league. All other GM's are operating under the same chain of command as I SAY UGH so if the end result is they make .01ct to $1,000,000 more than I SAY UGH it doesn't matter they performed better than he did.

Paxson, Ferry,Ainge, Dumars, Kupchak, Mullin,Kerr are some of the GMs that actually have a history with their club/organization before ever becoming GMs. If you want someone with a few chamionships by virtue of being the coach of arguaby the most talented team in the modern era (Lakers) - then you should be prepared to make him part owner (Reilley).

All I have ever said was that it was apparent from the day IT was hired - that he was not the 'first choice' and given the acrimony that followed him from Tornto, Indiana and the CBA - a 3 year contract at nominal pay - that one could infer that he did have the same purview or carte blanche -as say a Jerry West or Bryan Colangelo or even Don Nelson - when he was brought in to Dallas.

Please do name GM who has had two HOF coaches hired with in his first two years? How many 'new' gms can have the sway not to or to make a HOF coach Larry Brown the highest paid coach in the history of the sport after one year of being on the job? After - all if anyone should be the highest paid coach in the NBA - it should be Jackson -since he has won more championships than anyone in the modern era. How many GMs in the league ended up coaching the team in their last contract year -so that they would be extended?


Also -we forget about luck. Ferry made SURE to tank - in the Le Bron lottery-and the team was in serious trouble if they didn't get that pick. Boston was going nowhere - if it wasn't for McHale dealing KG. Kupchak was in serious jeopardy of losing his job- but he also lucked out. No one knew Bynum would not be a Kwame Brown, Curry, etc - which is why he went so late- he also got a little help from a Jerry West/Wallace connection in terms of Gasol.

Are you're trying to sell the fact I SAY UGH the GM was at the mercy of LB the coach? A coach doesn't tell a GM what to do. He may strongly suggest but he doesn't have authority over him. You saw who got fired right? If this is true what would be the dichotomy or harmony of Dolan's and I SAY UGH'S relationship? In threads in the past one of your arguments was that I SAY UGH was under a mandate of Dolan's to make the playoffs, hence why he wasn't able to properly rebuild maybe the way he truly wanted to when he first took the job. He fails to meet such mandate going on 4yrs in a row. So ultimately I SAY UGH failed his boss although it was Dolan's pushing and not his own. Sighting LB's statements on the trade in no way indicts LB as the mastermind behind acquiring Jalen. If anything you're more guilty of inferrence than anyone else. Those statements can be taken in any direction...as I pointed out or as a coach trying to publicly support what the GM is doing.

Answer this question which I SAY UGH is running the show now the coach or the GM?

I am not trying to sell anything regarding LB. I have just made an inference that someone who is being made the highest paid coach in the NBA - would/should have input in most scenarios- so why should the largest moves during that year (which inexplicably contained two of his old players-as well as a virtual clone of the guy he was having trouble managing and to which he was quite vocal about) be attributed solely to IT. That to me - is the opposite of common sense or even proper reasoning.

As for the 'mandate' about making the playoffs. I don't know. I do know - that any owner of a major market franchise - if he doesn't have a Kobe Bryant, KG etc - is primarily interested in generating interest in his club. I have already pointed out - that the Portland/Seattle route has fiduciary consequences- such as lack of public financing and more stringent terms for revenue sharing and tax breaks (both property and income).

Note- the Seattle lawsuit recently and also the shell game involving the Paul Allen and the Rose Garden (last year). These consequences are far more damaging to the franchise than giving up draft picks for Stephon MArbury or Eddie Curry - especially if you are the owner/management. I have already asked people to read "Free Lunch'. A careful read of this book and some diligent follow up will show that most of these teams are not financially viable if they were purely private enterprises. It is only because they are heavily taxing the state/municipalty/city and gaining massive publicly financed subsidies that these 'private monopolies' can continue to operate. If they were truly private - why would you need congressional hearings on steroids? Why are there no wrestler's being brought in front of congress- (the answer is because they are not publicly financed - just like Mr. Olympus contests).

As for the future - I can only speculate. It all depends- if as the owner - I can generate more revenue by firing him - I will. If the revenue hasn't fallen off dramatically despite the dismal season, the team is getting closer to meeting the cap (first time in over 25 years!!) then perhaps I let him run out his contract. At this point - I don't ever recall - so many newspaper's talking about the Knicks so much -everyday in fact- instead of losing interest - it seems people are MORE interested . I don't recall this many articles about the GM and the Knicks with this much constancy - when Layden was the GM. So - even if IT is terrible - he apparently has the Knicks in the news everyday - he obviously is getting the Knicks a lot of publicity (even if it may be bad) - it is still generating a lot of interest. Note - the sold out game against Charlotte!

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-29-2008 6:39 PM]
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2/29/2008  7:07 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

I have gone through this before - 'titles' are intangile fodder for the mindless. If the VP is making 10M a year and you as the CEO are making 1M a year- who has the proportionate greater value to the organization? If the VP makes all these plans - that the board has decided to endorse and you sign off on the paperwork - are you responsible for that.

The inference here is 'elementary' and no business or management experience is required to infer the dynamic that exists despite 'titles'.

It is extremely unfortunate that I have to belabor the SAME points - each time - and am seen as an Isiah apologist instead of an objectivist.

mostly, and this is me just speaking, you are someone who is thought of in terms of borderline incompetent and incomprehensible.

I mean, Marbury is paid the most, right? So he should have influence over LB and Isiah in terms of trades and team building, right?

BTW, could you let us which state you work in? I wanna make sure my health coverage is not from there.
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2/29/2008  7:13 PM
Awesome thread! That's what I love about UK. We can always make somethin' outta nothin'.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 02-29-2008 19:14]
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2/29/2008  7:21 PM
Martin-
What you ever think of me - is not the issue nor relevant. Personally - I can't see any merit in anything you have to say -except for correction of who averaged how many points.

Marbury is a different case- but again - if there were a name for being blind to context - your picture should be under it.

BTW-your reading comprehension is atrocious. Did you somehow miss past tense in terms of healthcare and the present tense of having my own companies. Thats quite OK - I am assured that you find me incomprehensible -after all it was what I expected. As for incompetent - thats ok too - it is a forum - its not what makes me money-if having a different point of view -makes one incompetent on your board- thats cool.

But - I do accept your invitation to exit from this board. It is tiresome and I wish to suffer fools no more. Especially you.



[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-29-2008 7:22 PM]
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2/29/2008  7:23 PM
iyamwutiam, you are what you are: an idiot.
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2/29/2008  7:29 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Martin-
What you ever think of me - is not the issue nor relevant. Personally - I can't see any merit in anything you have to say -except for correction of who averaged how many points.

Marbury is a different case- but again - if there were a name for being blind to context - your picture should be under it.

BTW-your reading comprehension is atrocious. Did you somehow miss past tense in terms of healthcare and the present tense of having my own companies. Thats quite OK - I am assured that you find me incomprehensible -after all it was what I expected. As for incompetent - thats ok too - it is a forum - its not what makes me money-if having a different point of view -makes one incompetent on your board- thats cool.

But - I do accept your invitation to exit from this board. It is tiresome and I wish to suffer fools no more. Especially you.



[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-29-2008 7:22 PM]

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2/29/2008  7:30 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:


As for the future - I can only speculate. It all depends- if as the owner - I can generate more revenue by firing him - I will. If the revenue hasn't fallen off dramatically despite the dismal season, the team is getting closer to meeting the cap (first time in over 25 years!!) then perhaps I let him run out his contract. At this point - I don't ever recall - so many newspaper's talking about the Knicks so much -everyday in fact- instead of losing interest - it seems people are MORE interested . I don't recall this many articles about the GM and the Knicks with this much constancy - when Layden was the GM. So - even if IT is terrible - he apparently has the Knicks in the news everyday - he obviously is getting the Knicks a lot of publicity (even if it may be bad) - it is still generating a lot of interest. Note - the sold out game against Charlotte!


[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-29-2008 6:39 PM]


#1 You didn't even answer the simple direct question I asked of you about I SAY UGH the GM vs I SAY UGH the Coach

#2 Please provide proof the game was actually sold out

#3 I guess the Pacers and the Blazers(of the past) are/were ecstatic about all the bad news they are/were receiving and the same with the Lakers and the Kobe Rape trial
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2/29/2008  7:34 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Martin-
What you ever think of me - is not the issue nor relevant. Personally - I can't see any merit in anything you have to say -except for correction of who averaged how many points.

Marbury is a different case- but again - if there were a name for being blind to context - your picture should be under it.

BTW-your reading comprehension is atrocious. Did you somehow miss past tense in terms of healthcare and the present tense of having my own companies. Thats quite OK - I am assured that you find me incomprehensible -after all it was what I expected. As for incompetent - thats ok too - it is a forum - its not what makes me money-if having a different point of view -makes one incompetent on your board- thats cool.

But - I do accept your invitation to exit from this board. It is tiresome and I wish to suffer fools no more. Especially you.



[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-29-2008 7:22 PM]


Martin or Andrew don't necessarily bring this thread to a close but I feel you do have a responsibility to bring him to a close.


It's long and way overdue......Bansville he must go.
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2/29/2008  7:58 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Martin-
What you ever think of me - is not the issue nor relevant. Personally - I can't see any merit in anything you have to say -except for correction of who averaged how many points.

Marbury is a different case- but again - if there were a name for being blind to context - your picture should be under it.

BTW-your reading comprehension is atrocious. Did you somehow miss past tense in terms of healthcare and the present tense of having my own companies. Thats quite OK - I am assured that you find me incomprehensible -after all it was what I expected. As for incompetent - thats ok too - it is a forum - its not what makes me money-if having a different point of view -makes one incompetent on your board- thats cool.

But - I do accept your invitation to exit from this board. It is tiresome and I wish to suffer fools no more. Especially you.



[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-29-2008 7:22 PM]
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2/29/2008  8:00 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Martin-
What you ever think of me - is not the issue nor relevant. Personally - I can't see any merit in anything you have to say -except for correction of who averaged how many points.

Marbury is a different case- but again - if there were a name for being blind to context - your picture should be under it.

BTW-your reading comprehension is atrocious. Did you somehow miss past tense in terms of healthcare and the present tense of having my own companies. Thats quite OK - I am assured that you find me incomprehensible -after all it was what I expected. As for incompetent - thats ok too - it is a forum - its not what makes me money-if having a different point of view -makes one incompetent on your board- thats cool.

But - I do accept your invitation to exit from this board. It is tiresome and I wish to suffer fools no more. Especially you.



[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-29-2008 7:22 PM]


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2/29/2008  8:42 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:


Martin or Andrew don't necessarily bring this thread to a close but I feel you do have a responsibility to bring him to a close.


It's long and way overdue......Bansville he must go.

let's leave the mod decisions up to the mods.
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2/29/2008  10:12 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Martin-
What you ever think of me - is not the issue nor relevant. Personally - I can't see any merit in anything you have to say -except for correction of who averaged how many points.

Marbury is a different case- but again - if there were a name for being blind to context - your picture should be under it.

BTW-your reading comprehension is atrocious. Did you somehow miss past tense in terms of healthcare and the present tense of having my own companies. Thats quite OK - I am assured that you find me incomprehensible -after all it was what I expected. As for incompetent - thats ok too - it is a forum - its not what makes me money-if having a different point of view -makes one incompetent on your board- thats cool.

But - I do accept your invitation to exit from this board. It is tiresome and I wish to suffer fools no more. Especially you.



[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-29-2008 7:22 PM]


Martin or Andrew don't necessarily bring this thread to a close but I feel you do have a responsibility to bring him to a close.


It's long and way overdue......Bansville he must go.


Other than going against the grain and offering an opinion that may differ from the majority on this board, what has he done to be banned?
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by djsunyc:

if i were the gm, i would immediately sign myself to a guaranteed 20 year deal at $5 mil/year.

i was thinking about this a little more. i think i would sign myself to a 40 year deal or a 20 year extension to the previous deal.

you know dj, i was thinking about what you posted yesterday. and after sleeping on it, i tend to agree. in fact, i would just make it a lifetime contract. dj would just be way too valuable to any organization.
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3/1/2008  12:07 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:



I SAY UGH the GM vs I SAY UGH the Coach

just curious. Do you actually write this out every time you mention IT or is it saved to a clipboard or google fill-in or something?
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