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Swishfm3
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2/27/2008  1:35 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

kiki did a good job with denver.

You must be out of your mind.

The only difference between Kiki and Thomas was that Kiki was FORTUNATE enough to have drafted Carmelo Anthony. Thats it.


If bringing Kiki means that the old Knicks players get to come "back home", then the Knicks will be in their current position for a long time. Correct me if I'm wrong, last time I checked (exception being Ewing), none of the ex knick mentioned in the article have ever held a coaching or front office position, so what makes people think the team will improve just because Houston is an assistant GM??
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2/27/2008  1:36 PM
There's no way we should pass up Colangelo and Walsh for Kiki. Kiki would be better than Isiah, but we should aim for a little more than that. Being better than Isiah is easy.
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2/27/2008  1:38 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Spite:

Make a show of Mills going with Kiki is rubbing it in Isiahs face.

Gotta love MSG.

Hows this, Hire Colangelo, whom was also the General partner of the Diamondbacks besides General Partner of the Suns to be the president of MSG and boot Mills. Kiki is his GM. IM almost thinking Colangelo as GM alone is quite a step down on his stature.

Dolan will get showered with praise.


that would be ideal.. get mills to fire Isiah and have him escorted out of MSG.. As soon as mills come back to report to dolan that he fired Isiah, then fire mills right there on the spot....

Hiring colangelo to replace mills and then kiki as Gm would be major for MSG....
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2/27/2008  1:40 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Nalod:

Spite:

Make a show of Mills going with Kiki is rubbing it in Isiahs face.

Gotta love MSG.

Hows this, Hire Colangelo, whom was also the General partner of the Diamondbacks besides General Partner of the Suns to be the president of MSG and boot Mills. Kiki is his GM. IM almost thinking Colangelo as GM alone is quite a step down on his stature.

Dolan will get showered with praise.

Exactly. Imagine if Dolan held a PC, said briefly that he is appalled at the direction of the team and he was going to do everything in his power to restore the franchise's image. Then announced that he had fired Steve Mills and hired Jerry Colangelo in his place. Then gave the mic to Jerry who would then announce that Isiah Thomas had been let go and that Kiki (or walsh or whoever) was appointed GM of the Knicks. Then all three explain that in order to fix the team it will probably take some time to fix the mistakes that had been made (aka get rid of isiah's trash) and that then they would build a new team from the ground up?

All three would be heroes that fans could get behind.

Why? For accountability was finally held for his (Dolans) actions of the past. AND. That a plan was in place that we could get behind.

If we knew a plan was in place and knew competent individuals were executing that plan? WE CAN BE PATIENT. We wouldn't ENJOY losing but WE COULD ENJOY kids playing hard, watching our new lotto picks grow, watching the contracts of Isiah's mess (more likely who we traded them for) expire in totality come June 2010 - WE COULD BE A HAPPY FAN BASE LOOKING TOWARDS A BRIGHT FUTURE!


Yet...Dolan is a friggin' moron. I doubt Mills gets canned. And Isiah? I mean.. can we even be more than 50/50 on whether or not he gets the ax?



this plan would be better than any player we could get in this years draft... I am serious...
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2/27/2008  1:40 PM
Posted by K22:

You shouldn't talk in riddles and be so vague, tkf. Tell us how you really feel.

LOL...
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2/27/2008  1:43 PM
Jerry Colangelo is the guy we want. Kiki is decent, probably alot better than IT, but Colangelo is the guy that could turn this team into a contender in 3-4 years.
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2/27/2008  1:58 PM
can't we just hire Colangelo & be done with it?
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2/27/2008  2:17 PM
Posted by TMS:

can't we just hire Colangelo & be done with it?

this is NY, we do things the hard way
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2/27/2008  2:27 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by djsunyc:

kiki did a good job with denver.

You must be out of your mind.

The only difference between Kiki and Thomas was that Kiki was FORTUNATE enough to have drafted Carmelo Anthony. Thats it.

and getting rid of a max deal in juwan howard...
and getting rid of a max deal in nick van exel...
and adding andre miller...
and trading a gimp dice for knick fan's wet dream of marcus camby...
and going to the playoffs year after year...

kiki did a good job with denver. he *just* didn't draft melo. he did all the things i said above.

oh, and yes, he DID draft melo unlike dumars before him who drafted a major bust.

his biggest mistakes were the 2002 draft when he took skita and nene. and nobody was taking amare b/c he was locked up to the suns 2 months before the draft.

and he didn't get into a media war with his coach and didn't sexually harrass anyone either. yeah, but other than those things, him and isiah are virtually twins...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-27-2008 2:28 PM]
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2/27/2008  2:32 PM
^ Not to mention all of the moves Isiah made that Kiki would've never pulled.
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2/27/2008  2:44 PM
yea am with you guys kiki better than Isiah but we want colangelo....it just seem right for him to be the next gm he the most qualified for the job and commissioner stern is endorsing him for the job sooner or later i think dolan will come to his senses with all the pressure from the league and commissioner for the knicks to become relavent again
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2/27/2008  2:51 PM
Posted by islesfan:
He probably could have made a move at the deadline to put us in better position over the summer.

Exactly. That's why I didn't view Isiah doing nothing, like a Dead Man Walking, to be a good thing. It was a missed opportunity to remove some of these cancers, clear cap space, perhaps accumulate some picks and make room for the kids to show what they can do so the next GM has a better idea.

This is all i was saying in my ranting
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2/27/2008  3:04 PM
Kiki had a pretty mediocre track record with the draft and didn't do so great once he actually had the cap space. What he did do well is dump bad contracts, get picks and get them in a position to succeed...which is bare minimum, job #1 for this position. Then again he won't have the Knicks to bail him out with a McDyess/Camby+top 10 pick style picks anymore.
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2/27/2008  3:18 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Kiki had a pretty mediocre track record with the draft and didn't do so great once he actually had the cap space. What he did do well is dump bad contracts, get picks and get them in a position to succeed...which is bare minimum, job #1 for this position. Then again he won't have the Knicks to bail him out with a McDyess/Camby+top 10 pick style picks anymore.

I think if he surrounds himself with good scouts he should be ok. The thing I like about him is that he has a plan and he executes it. Unlike the ever changing climate created by popcorn man.
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2/27/2008  3:23 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Kiki had a pretty mediocre track record with the draft and didn't do so great once he actually had the cap space. What he did do well is dump bad contracts, get picks and get them in a position to succeed...which is bare minimum, job #1 for this position. Then again he won't have the Knicks to bail him out with a McDyess/Camby+top 10 pick style picks anymore.

If KMart was the same Kmart as he was in Jersey, we would see the Nuggs go far into the playoffs.
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2/27/2008  3:54 PM
Well anyone would want Colangelo but let's be honest, Kiki isn't that bad of a second or third choice kind of guy.

He did a good job rebuilding the Nuggets from a perennial losers to a good team out West (in the East they'd crap on most of the teams). He didn't do the best job of all-time but he has had previous success, unlike Isiah. He also was one of the first to SUCCESSFULLY start the whole "tear it all down" movement in the NBA.

I don't see Dolan's dumb ass hiring such a great basketball mind in Colangelo anyway. He's too egotistical.

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2/27/2008  4:06 PM
Kiki isn't a bad GM

But he did give KMart 90 million dollars and included picks to get him and his drafting was less than stellar

Skita and Nene passing up a bunch of solid players, not to mentioned anytime the Knicks make a deal with a team they almost immediatley increase there will total and become a playoff team.
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2/27/2008  4:31 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by djsunyc:

kiki did a good job with denver.

You must be out of your mind.

The only difference between Kiki and Thomas was that Kiki was FORTUNATE enough to have drafted Carmelo Anthony. Thats it.

and getting rid of a max deal in juwan howard...
and getting rid of a max deal in nick van exel...
and adding andre miller...
and trading a gimp dice for knick fan's wet dream of marcus camby...
and going to the playoffs year after year...

kiki did a good job with denver. he *just* didn't draft melo. he did all the things i said above.

oh, and yes, he DID draft melo unlike dumars before him who drafted a major bust.

his biggest mistakes were the 2002 draft when he took skita and nene. and nobody was taking amare b/c he was locked up to the suns 2 months before the draft.

and he didn't get into a media war with his coach and didn't sexually harrass anyone either. yeah, but other than those things, him and isiah are virtually twins...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-27-2008 2:28 PM]

Great job DJ some just don't get it.

It's funny how I SAY UGH(maybe not at this point) was afforded so many excuses from fans for the clear cut mistakes he's made but now that we're thinking about a replacement the guy coming in has to have, not a 100% but 1000% track record.
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2/27/2008  5:18 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by VDesai:

Kiki had a pretty mediocre track record with the draft and didn't do so great once he actually had the cap space. What he did do well is dump bad contracts, get picks and get them in a position to succeed...which is bare minimum, job #1 for this position. Then again he won't have the Knicks to bail him out with a McDyess/Camby+top 10 pick style picks anymore.

If KMart was the same Kmart as he was in Jersey, we would see the Nuggs go far into the playoffs.

Absolutely. I think Kiki gambled that KMart was going to be the missing link for his team but injuries killed him. I think his lone draft blunder was Skita. Nene was another player that falled to injuries.
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2/27/2008  10:47 PM
Im wondering if Skita was drafted now and did not try to be dirk right out of the box if he would succeed better under the newer rules and style?
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