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2/25/2008  2:50 PM
im not one to want to cut thomas
i just want him to stop wioth the stupidity
im starting to think he doesn't play morris so he can sign him without other gm's wanting in but i will say this all my jerseys are in the attic and are staying until i see change
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2/25/2008  4:03 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

iyamwutiam, you're all over the place. First you think we're going under the cap even though we ust signed Randolf and will have 46M tied up in just 4 players. Then you say we'll have to sign and trade for those guys anyway. Then that lebron is going to NJ.

Your scenarios have no meat to stand on, they're just baseless optimism that somehow or another Cap'n Zeke will steer us through Layden's mess until we end up with a top 3 player in the league, by hook or by crook.

It doesn't work that way. You don't just keep trying one ****amamy scheme after another, like wanting to be the Suns, then a down low power team, then play small ball, then think you can be the next Celtics, etc, with each season being a new scenario from the man without a plan.

Whatever a team requires to get the likes of Wade, Bron, etc, we certainly don't have, unless it's expiring contracts and future lottery picks. Which is back where we started when Isiah took over.

So your best case scenario is really that we wait until 2010 to start rebuilding, and then let Isiah have another 7 years do it all wrong all over again.

As you pointed out - Curry and Jeffries are in the last year of their contracts (if they take their option-right now it does). But they will also be expiring contracts -which can be valuable in a sign and trade -because thats the only way -you will get a Le Bron/Wade/Bosh - as all are franchise players (as was Garnett/Pau Gasol).

If we resign both Nate/Lee - which is not a sure thing - we would be close to the slary cap and definitely under the luxury cap -this year it was like 65M -so assume than in 2010/2011 -it would be 75M or so. Anyway - if we do a sign and trade - we 'could' be shipping as much as 44M in expiring contracts (jamal/Curry/Randolph/Jeffries -Knicks 1.0) So it is more than possible to do a sign and trade.

I am just saying that it is a fluid situation. No one would have said 4 months ago that Pau, Shaq, Garnett, Bibby would all be traded- and a lot fo them for not much-except Garnett.

Who knows - maybe if Houston doesn't make it to the conference finals - we get McGrady for Randlph ? Maye we get a crack at Gerald Wallace for Crawford -because this is his fourth concussion already! Or a TJ Ford. Maybe NOH move and want to reduce salary by 2009 - nd do a Q Rich/James+draft pick for Chris Paul- or in te summer- they take Malik's contract/Collins+ second round draft pick for TJ Ford.

There are a lot of unpredictables.

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2/25/2008  4:54 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:
Posted by BlueSeats:

iyamwutiam, you're all over the place. First you think we're going under the cap even though we ust signed Randolf and will have 46M tied up in just 4 players. Then you say we'll have to sign and trade for those guys anyway. Then that lebron is going to NJ.

Your scenarios have no meat to stand on, they're just baseless optimism that somehow or another Cap'n Zeke will steer us through Layden's mess until we end up with a top 3 player in the league, by hook or by crook.

It doesn't work that way. You don't just keep trying one ****amamy scheme after another, like wanting to be the Suns, then a down low power team, then play small ball, then think you can be the next Celtics, etc, with each season being a new scenario from the man without a plan.

Whatever a team requires to get the likes of Wade, Bron, etc, we certainly don't have, unless it's expiring contracts and future lottery picks. Which is back where we started when Isiah took over.

So your best case scenario is really that we wait until 2010 to start rebuilding, and then let Isiah have another 7 years do it all wrong all over again.

As you pointed out - Curry and Jeffries are in the last year of their contracts (if they take their option-right now it does). But they will also be expiring contracts -which can be valuable in a sign and trade -because thats the only way -you will get a Le Bron/Wade/Bosh - as all are franchise players (as was Garnett/Pau Gasol).

If we resign both Nate/Lee - which is not a sure thing - we would be close to the slary cap and definitely under the luxury cap -this year it was like 65M -so assume than in 2010/2011 -it would be 75M or so. Anyway - if we do a sign and trade - we 'could' be shipping as much as 44M in expiring contracts (jamal/Curry/Randolph/Jeffries -Knicks 1.0) So it is more than possible to do a sign and trade.

I am just saying that it is a fluid situation. No one would have said 4 months ago that Pau, Shaq, Garnett, Bibby would all be traded- and a lot fo them for not much-except Garnett.

Who knows - maybe if Houston doesn't make it to the conference finals - we get McGrady for Randlph ? Maye we get a crack at Gerald Wallace for Crawford -because this is his fourth concussion already! Or a TJ Ford. Maybe NOH move and want to reduce salary by 2009 - nd do a Q Rich/James+draft pick for Chris Paul- or in te summer- they take Malik's contract/Collins+ second round draft pick for TJ Ford.

There are a lot of unpredictables.



Sigh! Under the assumption we shed no salary and make minimal moves here's the stuation...


iyamwutiam David Lee is gonna get paid you might as well come to grips with this or else he's a goner. He'll be in the second yr of a new contract that will pay him approximately $10mil/yr(6yr $60mil). Add $9mil 2nd yr salary at least for Lee now we're at $55mil. Nate he's gonna get a tad more than the MLE his first yr salary will be around $6mil possibly $7mil. Add that to $55mil now we're at approximately $61-62mil. You then have to add a Top 7 pick salary in there not in case you're thinking about trading it that pick will be in the 3rd yr of his contract add at least another $3mil to the $61-62mil now we're at $65mil. We probably won't make the playoffs next yr and if we don't trade that pick add another $2mil in salary from a Top 12 minimum lottery pick, now we're at $67mil. Now do you honestly believe we allow our MLE to remain dormant for 2yrs straight? If not pick a yr from now till 2010/2011 in which we exercise all if not a portion of it and add at least another $3-6mil in salary to the $67mil. The MLE will rise more than likely over the next yr or so and be pretty much $6mil in value.


Look you've spent all this time trying to paint I SAY UGH as a GM who has set us up with a nice future financially but in actuality he hasn't.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-25-2008 3:59 PM]
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2/25/2008  7:35 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by colorfl1:

2) Zeke will package Starbury and Malik's expiring contracts to acquire a potential all-star point guard who plays solid defense and has a high percentage outside stroke.


Get a grip. Teams don't just give away quality players for expirings.
Does the name Pau Gasol mean anything to you?
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2/25/2008  7:39 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by colorfl1:

2) Zeke will package Starbury and Malik's expiring contracts to acquire a potential all-star point guard who plays solid defense and has a high percentage outside stroke.


Get a grip. Teams don't just give away quality players for expirings.
Does the name Pau Gasol mean anything to you?

Does Kobe Bryant mean anything to you? The team that got Gasol was equipped to get him and make a run at the title. We need to rebuild first and then go after the big time guys. We're not going anywhere with this quick-fix crap.
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2/25/2008  7:43 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

I unfortunately have to agree with the premise that Isiah will stay. I don't think that there will be a Marbury trade at all. I am pretty sure that the salary cap is definitely on the radar for the 2010 class of Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade and Le Bron.

Unless you get an Elton Brand (highly unlikely) in a sign and trade with them taking back Curry.

That basically means - trying to trade Jerome James and Malik Rose - and thats it. Q Rich won't be moved as no one wants him. IT will hang onto Jeffries as he is in the habit of seeing upside on 'his' players. Jones will probably be gone - opening up atleast one roster spot.

The front court of Curry and Randolph can be effective. The problem is that essentially when you play the Knicks - you can focus on basically one player at any time on defense and win.

So if Crawford is hot- double him up by the 3 point line and sure enough he will either have a turnover or a bad pass. He will never be a PG but by now his all round ability will make him a better 3 than he was when he got here. You have no SF that is an offensive threat, when you play Randolph and Curry together - they pack the paint and dare you to shoot it from the outside - which means most of the times -we miss. In the games - where the Knicks were making the outside shot (those precious 3 games aginst Cleveland, Detroit , Washington) they win comfortably. The problem is consistency. When the team as whole shoots below 40 percent (several times)- last nite, against Philly, etc etc - the Knicks are doomed.

Either the Knicks learn to start shooting better (Lee, Robinson, Chandler, Balkman, Jeffries,Q Rich) or you end up losing -since the backcourt with just crawford is not eough. He is not an Iverson -who hads the stamina to play 40+ minutes every night and still be a quality player.

I basically see the Knicks drafting Gordon or Bayless, moving Jeffries/James/Rose/Collins maybe even Balkman for an impact player (perhaps Atretst). Maybe do a trade for Darko -as a shot bloacker since Memphis is salary dumping move- James+ Cash?

Then you would have Marbury/Crawford/Artest/Curry/Randolph as your starting 5 with the rotation of Darko, Lee, Balkman, Robinson, Q Rich, Chandler, Gordon and Mo Randolph on the bench. A combo of Artest and Q will give you decent defense at one position at all times.

I don't see an implosion or Isiah being fired. I think the plan is to let Isiah run out his contract - and if nothing has happened by 2010/2011- not extend him.

The worst that will happen is -that the next GM comes into a situation where there is a bunch of expiring contracts (Randolph/Curry/Crawford/Jeffries- Q Rich would already be gone) and a high pick or two onthe bench in addition to Lee/Balkman/Chandler, Mo Randolph. I would think that this is the best scenario for the Knicks- let the contracts expire, let isiah play out his contract, and don't make to many moves with the exception of Artest.
nice post.
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2/25/2008  7:46 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by colorfl1:

2) Zeke will package Starbury and Malik's expiring contracts to acquire a potential all-star point guard who plays solid defense and has a high percentage outside stroke.


Get a grip. Teams don't just give away quality players for expirings.
Does the name Pau Gasol mean anything to you?


Does 3 #1 draft picks mean anything to you?

Malik and Marbury together will get us nothing, not to mention you're talking almost $30mil in salaries given in a package. Who will we be dealing with to meet the 125% traded player requirement and who is the potential all-star point guard, who plays defense.
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2/25/2008  7:48 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by iyamwutiam:

nice post.

Actually if you take everything he said and erase it as I just did, it was!
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2/25/2008  7:53 PM
ROFL - good one True
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2/25/2008  7:55 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by colorfl1:

2) Zeke will package Starbury and Malik's expiring contracts to acquire a potential all-star point guard who plays solid defense and has a high percentage outside stroke.

Get a grip. Teams don't just give away quality players for expirings.
Does the name Pau Gasol mean anything to you?
We're not going anywhere with this quick-fix crap.

Sure worked for the Celtics.
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2/25/2008  8:11 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:
Posted by BlueSeats:

iyamwutiam, you're all over the place. First you think we're going under the cap even though we ust signed Randolf and will have 46M tied up in just 4 players. Then you say we'll have to sign and trade for those guys anyway. Then that lebron is going to NJ.

Your scenarios have no meat to stand on, they're just baseless optimism that somehow or another Cap'n Zeke will steer us through Layden's mess until we end up with a top 3 player in the league, by hook or by crook.

It doesn't work that way. You don't just keep trying one ****amamy scheme after another, like wanting to be the Suns, then a down low power team, then play small ball, then think you can be the next Celtics, etc, with each season being a new scenario from the man without a plan.

Whatever a team requires to get the likes of Wade, Bron, etc, we certainly don't have, unless it's expiring contracts and future lottery picks. Which is back where we started when Isiah took over.

So your best case scenario is really that we wait until 2010 to start rebuilding, and then let Isiah have another 7 years do it all wrong all over again.

As you pointed out - Curry and Jeffries are in the last year of their contracts (if they take their option-right now it does). But they will also be expiring contracts -which can be valuable in a sign and trade -because thats the only way -you will get a Le Bron/Wade/Bosh - as all are franchise players (as was Garnett/Pau Gasol).

If we resign both Nate/Lee - which is not a sure thing - we would be close to the slary cap and definitely under the luxury cap -this year it was like 65M -so assume than in 2010/2011 -it would be 75M or so. Anyway - if we do a sign and trade - we 'could' be shipping as much as 44M in expiring contracts (jamal/Curry/Randolph/Jeffries -Knicks 1.0) So it is more than possible to do a sign and trade.

Sir, you are very cordial, so it would pain me to be gratuitously condescending toward you, but I just don't know any other way to say this. The more I hear from you the more detached from reality I realize you are. Being near to the salary cap means almost nothing when trying to sign a premium FA, you have to be far enough below it to absorb his salary without going over. So just to work with simple numbers, if the cap will be 57M and you are trying to sign someone who's first year salary will be 17M you need to have a payroll of 40M. Even if we could somehow drop every player besides Crawford, Eddy, Zach and Jeffries we would still be at 46M. And what ream only has 4 players? And what FA wants to sign with a team who only has 4 players?

And you keep bringing up the luxury tax threshhold. Unless our owner demands to be below it, which he's shown zero inclination to be, it plays no part in trades or free agency acquisitions. Being close to it, above it or below it is virtually irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Who knows - maybe if Houston doesn't make it to the conference finals - we get McGrady for Randlph ? Maye we get a crack at Gerald Wallace for Crawford -because this is his fourth concussion already! Or a TJ Ford. Maybe NOH move and want to reduce salary by 2009 - nd do a Q Rich/James+draft pick for Chris Paul- or in te summer- they take Malik's contract/Collins+ second round draft pick for TJ Ford.

There are a lot of unpredictables.

Most of these proposals are sorts of Layden/Isiah disasters that have put this franchise at the bottom of the ocean. Of course those are the type of deals isiah would position us for, that's why he needs to be gone as of yesterday. And Chris Paul for Q/James/pick is just absurd, unless possibly if we had the #1 pick. Is that what you still expect from Isiah two years hence? And still you want to keep him?
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2/25/2008  8:16 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by colorfl1:

2) Zeke will package Starbury and Malik's expiring contracts to acquire a potential all-star point guard who plays solid defense and has a high percentage outside stroke.

Get a grip. Teams don't just give away quality players for expirings.
Does the name Pau Gasol mean anything to you?
We're not going anywhere with this quick-fix crap.

Sure worked for the Celtics.

The Celtics? The same Celtics who had future all-star and dominant big man Al Jefferson on their roster and traded for one of the best players in the game in Kevin Garnett? The same Celtics who already had All-star Paul Pierce on the roster? The same Celtics who traded their #5 pick for Ray Allen? The same Celtics that had Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins to begin with? Those Celtics? Are you implying we have the assets to become the Celtics? Are you implying there is a Kevin Garnett available this summer? Are you implying we have valuable players to other teams? What exactly are you saying?
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2/25/2008  8:41 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by colorfl1:

2) Zeke will package Starbury and Malik's expiring contracts to acquire a potential all-star point guard who plays solid defense and has a high percentage outside stroke.

Get a grip. Teams don't just give away quality players for expirings.
Does the name Pau Gasol mean anything to you?
We're not going anywhere with this quick-fix crap.

Sure worked for the Celtics.


What about the 3 #1 draft picks the Grizz got back in the Gasol trade?
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2/25/2008  8:45 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

ROFL - good one True

You never addressed my last reply to a post of yours concerning the salary cap.
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2/25/2008  9:27 PM
Sigh! Under the assumption we shed no salary and make minimal moves here's the stuation...


iyamwutiam David Lee is gonna get paid you might as well come to grips with this or else he's a goner. He'll be in the second yr of a new contract that will pay him approximately $10mil/yr(6yr $60mil). Add $9mil 2nd yr salary at least for Lee now we're at $55mil. Nate he's gonna get a tad more than the MLE his first yr salary will be around $6mil possibly $7mil. Add that to $55mil now we're at approximately $61-62mil. You then have to add a Top 7 pick salary in there not in case you're thinking about trading it that pick will be in the 3rd yr of his contract add at least another $3mil to the $61-62mil now we're at $65mil. We probably won't make the playoffs next yr and if we don't trade that pick add another $2mil in salary from a Top 12 minimum lottery pick, now we're at $67mil. Now do you honestly believe we allow our MLE to remain dormant for 2yrs straight? If not pick a yr from now till 2010/2011 in which we exercise all if not a portion of it and add at least another $3-6mil in salary to the $67mil. The MLE will rise more than likely over the next yr or so and be pretty much $6mil in value.


Look you've spent all this time trying to paint I SAY UGH as a GM who has set us up with a nice future financially but in actuality he hasn't.

Personally - I don't see David Lee as a 10M a year player much less Nate at a mid-level especially when you look at Haslem around 6.5M. Same goes for Nate.

Also - in a sign and trade- you can give them players back. As I pointed out - say you sign Dwayne Wade as an example - for a max contract- 100 M for 6 years or so. You can send them back Curry and Randolph - and hava front loaded contract that pays Wade 29M in his first year and still be under the rules. Miami would get two expirings -Curry and Randolph - so this is what I meant. So if you were at the cap before you signed - you could still be at the cap with the addition of a big time free agent. You can obviously give up some picks - 1 first and say a second rounder.


So as I see it :
1. Randolph/Curry/Crawford/Jeffries are all expiring - and you can basically match anyone. Say Cleveland offered Le Bron 120M for 6 years - we can beat that with say 150M for 6 years and pay him 40M in his first year. It can be done.

I am not sure about the MLE - but why should we not allow it to be dormant.

You have one of two strategies - not be over the cap or be over the cap. We have already tried the former (didn't work) and now we try the latter. IT's statement' regarding the cap/trades etc - would have to imply that this is the direction we are going. In addition- at some point -its about bloody well time -we did go in this direction since the last 25 years or so - we have been under the cap like once. So about time - the Knicks go with this strategy- so I guess - the answer would be -no- no signing MLEs. No overpaying for Lee or Robinson.

Lee at 10M a year is a joke !!! That's David West money - and I doubt David Lee will become David West. I really know -so many people would love for him to become a member of the over-paid (because I look like the fans) poster boy club such as Troy Murphy, Croshere, Dunleavy etc- but other than that universal American ethic - I see no real reason for it.

So the answer is :
Expiring contracts 4 - can help us land a player because salaries have to MATCH - and so we would not be over the cap - we would just be exchanguing expiring contracts for long term contracts. Also I don't believe the Lee and Robinson are worth that kind of money- maybe Montae Ellis, Josh Smith etc. -- so I am not expecting that kind of cap situation.

Lastly- it is still possible - to trade someone for an expiring - either Crawford or Randolph. We don't know. As I said -every one feels like a gennius because of hindsight - but that doesn't make you one. The future is uncertain.

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Sir, you are very cordial, so it would pain me to be gratuitously condescending toward you, but I just don't know any other way to say this. The more I hear from you the more detached from reality I realize you are. Being near to the salary cap means almost nothing when trying to sign a premium FA, you have to be far enough below it to absorb his salary without going over. So just to work with simple numbers, if the cap will be 57M and you are trying to sign someone who's first year salary will be 17M you need to have a payroll of 40M. Even if we could somehow drop every player besides Crawford, Eddy, Zach and Jeffries we would still be at 46M. And what ream only has 4 players? And what FA wants to sign with a team who only has 4 players?

And you keep bringing up the luxury tax threshhold. Unless our owner demands to be below it, which he's shown zero inclination to be, it plays no part in trades or free agency acquisitions. Being close to it, above it or below it is virtually irrelevant to the conversation at hand.


I think it is possible to be conflicted about being under the cap or not- especially as the owner of the most valued (not necessarily best) franchise in the NBA. After all - if the chance does come for a Le Bron - you do what you must and be in cap hell for a decade -because you will pay much more for advertising your team -than the presence of that one player.

I would agree with you that I am not well versed on the CBA when it comes to be how much you have to be under the cap. However- Cleveland was no where near under the cap and just took on 46M dollars of salary. The Lakers were not under the cap - and I am sure Gasol's salary is 17M or so. We could do somethin glike the Garnet trade as well http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071107233225AA8QvFu.

Anyway - I am not sure why you would have to have a40M to get a 17M player. Theo Ratliffe was important because he was expiring, so was Kwame - we have 4 players expiring at the time - so we could theoritically send all 4 players out and match the 125% limit.

I agree - I may be confused but thats how it looks to me.
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2/25/2008  9:37 PM
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Posted by colorfl1:

Yes you read correctly...
I am thoroughly convinced that Dolan will not let Zeke go after this season, contrary to what every commentator is saying.


I'll never trust this' team again.
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2/25/2008  10:20 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:


Say Cleveland offered Le Bron 120M for 6 years - we can beat that with say 150M for 6 years and pay him 40M in his first year. It can be done.

Please explain how that would work. This should be interesting....


As I said -every one feels like a gennius because of hindsight - but that doesn't make you one. The future is uncertain.

Nobody's talking about certainty, it's about probabilities. And our probability of success is quite low now. Your own reasons for optimism, as detailed in this thread, revolve around the continuance of the already failed policy of continually trading expiring contracts for overpaid, damaged goods has beens, and on wildly erroneous conceptions of how the salary cap works.

Allow me to remind you that the goal of the team should not be simply to better itself from this low point of franchise history, but to better itself relative to the other 29 teams in the league, and you've expressed no viable vision of how were are better positioned to do so than any other team. Expiring contracts and draft picks are not unique to the Knicks.

And all this player movement aside, Isiah is THE WORST manager of people I've ever seen. Changes need to stem from the top - no if, ands, or buts.
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2/25/2008  10:26 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:
Sigh! Under the assumption we shed no salary and make minimal moves here's the stuation...


iyamwutiam David Lee is gonna get paid you might as well come to grips with this or else he's a goner. He'll be in the second yr of a new contract that will pay him approximately $10mil/yr(6yr $60mil). Add $9mil 2nd yr salary at least for Lee now we're at $55mil. Nate he's gonna get a tad more than the MLE his first yr salary will be around $6mil possibly $7mil. Add that to $55mil now we're at approximately $61-62mil. You then have to add a Top 7 pick salary in there not in case you're thinking about trading it that pick will be in the 3rd yr of his contract add at least another $3mil to the $61-62mil now we're at $65mil. We probably won't make the playoffs next yr and if we don't trade that pick add another $2mil in salary from a Top 12 minimum lottery pick, now we're at $67mil. Now do you honestly believe we allow our MLE to remain dormant for 2yrs straight? If not pick a yr from now till 2010/2011 in which we exercise all if not a portion of it and add at least another $3-6mil in salary to the $67mil. The MLE will rise more than likely over the next yr or so and be pretty much $6mil in value.


Look you've spent all this time trying to paint I SAY UGH as a GM who has set us up with a nice future financially but in actuality he hasn't.

Personally - I don't see David Lee as a 10M a year player much less Nate at a mid-level especially when you look at Haslem around 6.5M. Same goes for Nate.

Also - in a sign and trade- you can give them players back. As I pointed out - say you sign Dwayne Wade as an example - for a max contract- 100 M for 6 years or so. You can send them back Curry and Randolph - and hava front loaded contract that pays Wade 29M in his first year and still be under the rules. Miami would get two expirings -Curry and Randolph - so this is what I meant. So if you were at the cap before you signed - you could still be at the cap with the addition of a big time free agent. You can obviously give up some picks - 1 first and say a second rounder.


So as I see it :
1. Randolph/Curry/Crawford/Jeffries are all expiring - and you can basically match anyone. Say Cleveland offered Le Bron 120M for 6 years - we can beat that with say 150M for 6 years and pay him 40M in his first year. It can be done.

I am not sure about the MLE - but why should we not allow it to be dormant.

You have one of two strategies - not be over the cap or be over the cap. We have already tried the former (didn't work) and now we try the latter. IT's statement' regarding the cap/trades etc - would have to imply that this is the direction we are going. In addition- at some point -its about bloody well time -we did go in this direction since the last 25 years or so - we have been under the cap like once. So about time - the Knicks go with this strategy- so I guess - the answer would be -no- no signing MLEs. No overpaying for Lee or Robinson.

Lee at 10M a year is a joke !!! That's David West money - and I doubt David Lee will become David West. I really know -so many people would love for him to become a member of the over-paid (because I look like the fans) poster boy club such as Troy Murphy, Croshere, Dunleavy etc- but other than that universal American ethic - I see no real reason for it.

So the answer is :
Expiring contracts 4 - can help us land a player because salaries have to MATCH - and so we would not be over the cap - we would just be exchanguing expiring contracts for long term contracts. Also I don't believe the Lee and Robinson are worth that kind of money- maybe Montae Ellis, Josh Smith etc. -- so I am not expecting that kind of cap situation.

Lastly- it is still possible - to trade someone for an expiring - either Crawford or Randolph. We don't know. As I said -every one feels like a gennius because of hindsight - but that doesn't make you one. The future is uncertain.

wow, I have no idea how to handle this.

Dude, your ideas are so whack and out of line with any type of logic it is quite maddening. Do you mind taking a step back, read some more of blueseats and post some stuff that is near reality?
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2/25/2008  10:29 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by iyamwutiam:
Sigh! Under the assumption we shed no salary and make minimal moves here's the stuation...


iyamwutiam David Lee is gonna get paid you might as well come to grips with this or else he's a goner. He'll be in the second yr of a new contract that will pay him approximately $10mil/yr(6yr $60mil). Add $9mil 2nd yr salary at least for Lee now we're at $55mil. Nate he's gonna get a tad more than the MLE his first yr salary will be around $6mil possibly $7mil. Add that to $55mil now we're at approximately $61-62mil. You then have to add a Top 7 pick salary in there not in case you're thinking about trading it that pick will be in the 3rd yr of his contract add at least another $3mil to the $61-62mil now we're at $65mil. We probably won't make the playoffs next yr and if we don't trade that pick add another $2mil in salary from a Top 12 minimum lottery pick, now we're at $67mil. Now do you honestly believe we allow our MLE to remain dormant for 2yrs straight? If not pick a yr from now till 2010/2011 in which we exercise all if not a portion of it and add at least another $3-6mil in salary to the $67mil. The MLE will rise more than likely over the next yr or so and be pretty much $6mil in value.


Look you've spent all this time trying to paint I SAY UGH as a GM who has set us up with a nice future financially but in actuality he hasn't.

Personally - I don't see David Lee as a 10M a year player much less Nate at a mid-level especially when you look at Haslem around 6.5M. Same goes for Nate.

Also - in a sign and trade- you can give them players back. As I pointed out - say you sign Dwayne Wade as an example - for a max contract- 100 M for 6 years or so. You can send them back Curry and Randolph - and hava front loaded contract that pays Wade 29M in his first year and still be under the rules. Miami would get two expirings -Curry and Randolph - so this is what I meant. So if you were at the cap before you signed - you could still be at the cap with the addition of a big time free agent. You can obviously give up some picks - 1 first and say a second rounder.


So as I see it :
1. Randolph/Curry/Crawford/Jeffries are all expiring - and you can basically match anyone. Say Cleveland offered Le Bron 120M for 6 years - we can beat that with say 150M for 6 years and pay him 40M in his first year. It can be done.

I am not sure about the MLE - but why should we not allow it to be dormant.

You have one of two strategies - not be over the cap or be over the cap. We have already tried the former (didn't work) and now we try the latter. IT's statement' regarding the cap/trades etc - would have to imply that this is the direction we are going. In addition- at some point -its about bloody well time -we did go in this direction since the last 25 years or so - we have been under the cap like once. So about time - the Knicks go with this strategy- so I guess - the answer would be -no- no signing MLEs. No overpaying for Lee or Robinson.

Lee at 10M a year is a joke !!! That's David West money - and I doubt David Lee will become David West. I really know -so many people would love for him to become a member of the over-paid (because I look like the fans) poster boy club such as Troy Murphy, Croshere, Dunleavy etc- but other than that universal American ethic - I see no real reason for it.

So the answer is :
Expiring contracts 4 - can help us land a player because salaries have to MATCH - and so we would not be over the cap - we would just be exchanguing expiring contracts for long term contracts. Also I don't believe the Lee and Robinson are worth that kind of money- maybe Montae Ellis, Josh Smith etc. -- so I am not expecting that kind of cap situation.

Lastly- it is still possible - to trade someone for an expiring - either Crawford or Randolph. We don't know. As I said -every one feels like a gennius because of hindsight - but that doesn't make you one. The future is uncertain.

wow, I have no idea how to handle this.

Dude, your ideas are so whack and out of line with any type of logic it is quite maddening. Do you mind taking a step back, read some more of blueseats and post some stuff that is near reality?

I think this is Steve Mills pretending to be Isiah Thomas so he can generate more hate for Isiah.
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