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tkf
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
did I say it meant anything. I just mentioned it because you brought up last year, so it is relevant. Last year, he was there and he played pretty well, but he shared time with TJ ford, this year he is getting the minutes with the absence of ford and his numbers with minutes have increased, I don't think he is any better or much better than he was last year...
06-07 Tor 77 11 21.0 3.4-6.6 .521 0.3-1.0 .333 1.5-1.9 .818 0.8 0.1 1.4 1.8 0.3 1.5 1.8 5.0 8.7
07-08 Tor 51 37 32.0 5.0-9.3 .544 1.1-2.4 .472 1.6-1.8 .923 1.1 0.1 1.6 1.6 0.5 2.7 3.2 8.9 12.9
So here we see his numbers increase across the board and usually when a player puts up more shots and handles the ball more results in lowered FG% and higher amount of TO's. This isn't the case with Calderon. Will he maintain these numbers? Who knows, but up to the point of All-Star break he's been playing like an All-Star
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-14-2008 11:24 AM]
I can see with more time, more turnovers, but not a lowered FG%? I don't think FG% changes with more shots, I think the type of shots, but usually a player % will pretty much stay the same if he takes more of the same type of shots. don't you agree? So I don't see your point there...
arenas may have gone overboard, because by his account, he isn't an allstar, His team is playing well without him, and if they get a good, pass first PG in his position, and it doesn't have to be an allstar either, I mean a TJ ford type, I think the wizards would be better off with Ford than arenas.. so what does that say about arenas...
Again, arenas is a moron, but I have to agree with him here on calderon..
Usually a player doesn't get to take every shot he'd prefer with increased FG% because defenses try to take something away from the player and make things more difficult. And in Calderon's case, if defenses aren't doing that and letting him have his way so to speak well he's making them pay statistically at an ELITE(ALL-STAR) level.
exactly, and teams probably didn't try to take anything away from calderon because he wasn't have the impact on the game that allstars usually do...
if defenses aren't doing that and letting him have his way so to speak well he's making them pay statistically at an ELITE(ALL-STAR) level.
hey, that is fine, if that makes you feel good then ok.. but it still doesn't make him an allstar.... a lot of guys put up Elite(Allstar) numbers(compared to calderon), doesn't make them allstars.....
Name a player in this league shooting over 50% 40% 90%. You won't be able to. Just Because teams don't defend him as they should is more of a sign of disrespect and ignorance than it is Calderon not playing at an All-Star caliber level. Ask New Jersey yesterday and many other teams if his perimeter shooting had any impact on the game. You see while Arenas goes head-to-head with him, with this mentality, Calderon will be the one throwing flames beyond the arc racking up assist while he looks dumbfounded.
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-14-2008 1:32 PM]
that kind of argument is tainted. Last year you couldn't name a player other than curry who averaged 19ppg shot 60% and scored more points in the paint than any player in the NBA.. So did that make curry Allstar worthy? I am sure you would argue against him being an allstar. What those %'s show is that calderon is efficient. that is good, but in the end he averages 12.9ppg and 8 assists, that is not earth shattering.... If he shoots so well, why doesn't toronto just run more plays for him, I mean shooting those percentages he should be the go to guy, not bosh. right? well I will tell you why. He is in a good system taking limited, but good shots, he is not being asked to carry that team as most allstars are, but he is being asked to facilitate, and he is doing a great job at it, but if he had to carry the load, as arenas mentioned, I doubt we would be seeing the same efficient player.... He is playing solid ball, but come on man. He is not an allstar......
How many All-Star games has Kidd made while not having good scoring averages? The game is more than just putting the ball in the hole. Toronto wants him to be the table setter. He's more than capable of filling up the cup. He scored over 20pts 3 times in January and has already done it 2 times in February. When he shoots 10 or more FG/gm, he scores well above his average. It's about opportunity and you don't penalize a player because the lack thereof. You act like he does only 1 or 2 things well when in actuality he does like 5-6 things exceptionally well, in which you can't say that about too many players and when you do they're usually All-Stars.
Besides the guy is Gangster
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-14-2008 3:17 PM] TB: I understand that, but jason kid is dominant. Calderon isn't. Kidd can completely dominate a game scoring just 8 points. Kidd is a great, not good rebounder, he runs the break and pushes the ball better than anyone in history not named magic johnson. He is a freakishly great passer who created plays that just were not there, or seen by the normal eye... His defense is not just good, but great. Kid is a dominant player and on top of that, fun to watch. the fact that teams had to game plan for kid and he didn't score much, tells you a alot about his game.. calderon is not even in the same galaxy!! Calderon just doens't do enough, or impact the game to the point where teams are game planning for him, and it is just not ignorance on their part either.. come on man. the league or even arenas is not saying this kid isn't good, just not as good as you would like people to believe... actuality he does like 5-6 things exceptionally well come on man...like what. he is a average passer,not a good defender or rebounder, doesn't get a lot of steals. what 5-6 things. And please don't say, he shoots 3 pointers because that goes under shooting, which I gave him credit for, and FT's that goes under that same thing.. I want to hear these 5-6 things he does exceptionally well.... [Edited by - tkf on 14-02-2008 4:43 PM]Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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2/14/2008 6:14 PM
yea so what?