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2/14/2008  1:28 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by markvmc:

Even leaving aside the issue of the money, if George has a no-trade clause, then (duh) he is completely within his rights to say no to a trade.

The more interesting issue is why anyone would have agreed to him having such a clause in the first place.

It wasn't negotiated in by his agent. Its a rule of the Collective Bargaining Agreement due to his signing successive 1 year contracts.

Exactly.

The rule states that: any player, who has one year left on his deal, and would lose his "Bird Rights" if traded, has the right to veto a trade. It might be an unpopular move, by George, but he's well within his rights and his agent had to do this. Good for him.
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2/14/2008  2:49 PM
I got no problem with George. He has to think about himself and his future and any of us would do the same. We wouldn't go to another company just because someone told us too. We would analyze and get the best deal for ourselves. This is no different.

The only thing is that George has to realize that he will not be loved by the Dallas faithful. As long as he realizes that, I'm with him
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2/14/2008  3:08 PM
George will is in a position of power....and he won't have the opportunity again. Why blame the guy.
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2/14/2008  3:13 PM
My problem is that the guy requested a trade 2 weeks ago. So if he's concerned about all this stuff with the Bird Rules, why did he request a trade in the first place?
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2/14/2008  3:20 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

My problem is that the guy requested a trade 2 weeks ago. So if he's concerned about all this stuff with the Bird Rules, why did he request a trade in the first place?

if you were rotting on a bench and millions were on the line and you have been internally requesting playing time, what would you do if you continued to be ignored?
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2/14/2008  3:22 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by nyk4ever:

My problem is that the guy requested a trade 2 weeks ago. So if he's concerned about all this stuff with the Bird Rules, why did he request a trade in the first place?

if you were rotting on a bench and millions were on the line and you have been internally requesting playing time, what would you do if you continued to be ignored?

Thats fine, I have no problem with that. The problem I have is that they granted his wish of being traded and then he blocked the deal.
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2/14/2008  3:28 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by martin:
Posted by nyk4ever:

My problem is that the guy requested a trade 2 weeks ago. So if he's concerned about all this stuff with the Bird Rules, why did he request a trade in the first place?

if you were rotting on a bench and millions were on the line and you have been internally requesting playing time, what would you do if you continued to be ignored?

Thats fine, I have no problem with that. The problem I have is that they granted his wish of being traded and then he blocked the deal.

He up'ed the anti and played from strength. Dallas's turn to put some chips on the table or fold.

He is looking for an extension and he could get it if he 1) blocks the trade 2) signs an extension 3) unblocks trade.

With millions on the line, you fight any which way you can and fukc the owner of whichever team you are on, cause no doubt they will do the same to you.
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2/14/2008  3:33 PM
OK, back to this. Dallas signed George to a low-cost 1 year deal in Aug 2006, probably with the promise of playing time and/or an extension after the year.

He has been hurt.

He has not seen much playing time.

What if Dallas has been NOT playing him for whatever reason even though he is NOT hurt any more, has George been slighted because of the promise from Cuban after signing for peanuts?
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2/14/2008  3:44 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by martin:
Posted by nyk4ever:

My problem is that the guy requested a trade 2 weeks ago. So if he's concerned about all this stuff with the Bird Rules, why did he request a trade in the first place?

if you were rotting on a bench and millions were on the line and you have been internally requesting playing time, what would you do if you continued to be ignored?

Thats fine, I have no problem with that. The problem I have is that they granted his wish of being traded and then he blocked the deal.

He up'ed the anti and played from strength. Dallas's turn to put some chips on the table or fold.

He is looking for an extension and he could get it if he 1) blocks the trade 2) signs an extension 3) unblocks trade.

With millions on the line, you fight any which way you can and fukc the owner of whichever team you are on, cause no doubt they will do the same to you.

I guess it makes sense. Theres no way I can see Dallas signing him to an extension now, since he did this and wouldn't that mean he loses his Bird rights anyway since I can't see the Mavs helping him out in anyway?
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2/14/2008  3:52 PM
you know, i agree with everything about his right to exercise his rights. but in cased it hasn’t been said yet, i also want to add one point - as a basketball player, devean george really f'g sucks. he had about a minute of promise as a laker early on and then this guy has been crap ever since. yes, the little guy should exercise his power and all that, but at the same time this is some f'g scrub we’re talking about who hasn't had much to add to a roster in a long-ass time.

i say he's he's a knick before the end of this whole ordeal - 5 years and 30 mill. well-deserved.
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2/14/2008  3:55 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I guess it makes sense. Theres no way I can see Dallas signing him to an extension now, since he did this and wouldn't that mean he loses his Bird rights anyway since I can't see the Mavs helping him out in anyway?

That's the thing. He may have misused his leverage and got himself black-balled permanently. He's not that special a talent in the NBA and he's 30. So while he was fully entitled to block the trade, I don't necessarily see the Nets or Mavs bending over backwards to do him any favors now. We'll see how this plays out.
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2/14/2008  4:04 PM
I can't check right now- but I wonder if freddy jones could be used- extend dev 1 year and get a future pick from dallas or the nets.
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2/14/2008  4:10 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I guess it makes sense. Theres no way I can see Dallas signing him to an extension now, since he did this and wouldn't that mean he loses his Bird rights anyway since I can't see the Mavs helping him out in anyway?

That's the thing. He may have misused his leverage and got himself black-balled permanently. He's not that special a talent in the NBA and he's 30. So while he was fully entitled to block the trade, I don't necessarily see the Nets or Mavs bending over backwards to do him any favors now. We'll see how this plays out.

Whether it's a smart move is irrelevant. It may or may not be and time will tell. But I have no problem with him having the right to do this. He has to do what he feels is best for him. I don't fault anyone for doing that, whether they are a basketball player or janitor, the same rules apply. I'm upset because I want to see JKidd in a Dallas uniform but I'm not going to slight Devean for it.
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2/14/2008  4:15 PM
Dallas are idiots. They need Diop and if I am giving up 2 picks, I am certainly not going to also give up my best defensive center in a conference with Yao, Shaq, and Duncan. They gave up too much for Kidd. To give up Harris (who is a solid PG) and then also have to give up 2 1st round picks and a solid center was a bad move. There is no way New Jersey was getting a better deal for a 34-year old Kidd even if Dallas did not include Diop.
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2/14/2008  4:15 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I guess it makes sense. Theres no way I can see Dallas signing him to an extension now, since he did this and wouldn't that mean he loses his Bird rights anyway since I can't see the Mavs helping him out in anyway?

That's the thing. He may have misused his leverage and got himself black-balled permanently. He's not that special a talent in the NBA and he's 30. So while he was fully entitled to block the trade, I don't necessarily see the Nets or Mavs bending over backwards to do him any favors now. We'll see how this plays out.

Whether it's a smart move is irrelevant. It may or may not be and time will tell. But I have no problem with him having the right to do this. He has to do what he feels is best for him. I don't fault anyone for doing that, whether they are a basketball player or janitor, the same rules apply. I'm upset because I want to see JKidd in a Dallas uniform but I'm not going to slight Devean for it.

Maybe you can explain it to me.

2 weeks ago, George requests a trade.
Yesterday George gets traded.
Last night George declines the trade because he would lose his bird rights if he's traded.

Why did George request a trade in the first place if he was going to lose his Bird Rights when he was eventually traded anyway?

Am I missing something? Am I stupid?
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2/14/2008  4:21 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I guess it makes sense. Theres no way I can see Dallas signing him to an extension now, since he did this and wouldn't that mean he loses his Bird rights anyway since I can't see the Mavs helping him out in anyway?

That's the thing. He may have misused his leverage and got himself black-balled permanently. He's not that special a talent in the NBA and he's 30. So while he was fully entitled to block the trade, I don't necessarily see the Nets or Mavs bending over backwards to do him any favors now. We'll see how this plays out.

Whether it's a smart move is irrelevant. It may or may not be and time will tell. But I have no problem with him having the right to do this. He has to do what he feels is best for him. I don't fault anyone for doing that, whether they are a basketball player or janitor, the same rules apply. I'm upset because I want to see JKidd in a Dallas uniform but I'm not going to slight Devean for it.

Maybe you can explain it to me.

2 weeks ago, George requests a trade.
Yesterday George gets traded.
Last night George declines the trade because he would lose his bird rights if he's traded.

Why did George request a trade in the first place if he was going to lose his Bird Rights when he was eventually traded anyway?

Am I missing something? Am I stupid?

Do you want me to answer that
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2/14/2008  5:19 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Maybe you can explain it to me.

2 weeks ago, George requests a trade.
Yesterday George gets traded.
Last night George declines the trade because he would lose his bird rights if he's traded.

Why did George request a trade in the first place if he was going to lose his Bird Rights when he was eventually traded anyway?

Am I missing something? Am I stupid?

i forgot where i read this, but i thought what happened was: george says "play me *or* trade me," he gets more minutes the last week or two *and* gets traded. not exactly what he asked for. whatever.
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2/14/2008  6:00 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Dallas are idiots. They need Diop and if I am giving up 2 picks, I am certainly not going to also give up my best defensive center in a conference with Yao, Shaq, and Duncan. They gave up too much for Kidd. To give up Harris (who is a solid PG) and then also have to give up 2 1st round picks and a solid center was a bad move. There is no way New Jersey was getting a better deal for a 34-year old Kidd even if Dallas did not include Diop.

Diop is a role player- Kidd is an All Star- and becomes their best player, and makes everyone else much better.
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