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2/13/2008  10:41 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Andrew:

Why doesn't it qualify?

Because it doesn't jive with Earls point. Thats the only reason.

nyk4eva - don't you have better things to do than chase after my posts like a hungry mouse after some cheese?

I would welcome a debate related to anything other than your all-too-personal opinion of my writing. You are getting a bit too close for comfort.

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2/13/2008  10:53 AM
Posted by Andrew:

Why doesn't it qualify?

Special Assistsant does not qualitatively give Chris Mullin any advantage to be a GM any more than Mark Jackson's job as a television analyst. As an analyst who must study the intimate details of every team in the NBA, I would submit that Mark Jackson has an edge due to the access to resources that include the daily assistance of a full time-paid research staff, electronic support, statistical evidence prepared on a daily basis, the best production support for the editing of that data, and volumes of information gleaned from conversations in the van with Jeff Van Gundy.

There is a reason some people can make the transition from the booth to the sideline. The resources of the electronic media are incredible. What we see on television is only the tip of the iceberg based on the research of dozens of people.

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2/13/2008  10:59 AM
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by Andrew:

Why doesn't it qualify?

Special Assistsant does not qualitatively give Chris Mullin any advantage to be a GM any more than Mark Jackson's job as a television analyst. As an analyst who must study the intimate details of every team in the NBA, I would submit that Mark Jackson has an edge due to the access to resources that include the daily assistance of a full time-paid research staff, electronic support, statistical evidence prepared on a daily basis, the best production support for the editing of that data, and volumes of information gleaned from conversations in the van with Jeff Van Gundy.

There is a reason some people can make the transition from the booth to the sideline. The resources of the electronic media are incredible. What we see on television is only the tip of the iceberg based on the research of dozens of people.

"You don't think a big man can sell?"

I'm a chameleon.

but do we know what mullins' duties were as special assistant for the warriors? and what his access to resources were? And what experiences he gained in that role?
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2/13/2008  11:03 AM
Chris Mullin received the opportunity for a GM position he had absolutely no prior experience in. "Special Administrative Assistant Whatever" doers not qualify.

Does it not qualify, or does it not qualify more that Mark's analyst experience?
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2/13/2008  11:15 AM
Posted by Andrew:
Chris Mullin received the opportunity for a GM position he had absolutely no prior experience in. "Special Administrative Assistant Whatever" doers not qualify.

Does it not qualify, or does it not qualify more that Mark's analyst experience?

I don't know what the job description for GSW Special Assistant was, or what Mullin had responsibility for. It's simply a title to me. Al Attles is a helluva guy to work for. His credentials and background are among the most respected.

I would submit that as neither Mullin (as GM) or Jackson (as my head coach du jour) list any prior experience with either position - I would submit they are on equal footing with regard to their preparation.

Another critical element is relationships. The personal relationships they each bring to the table are anyone's guess. I would also submit they are both perceived a honorable individuals to deal with.

There only disparity between the two men is opportunity.
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2/13/2008  11:27 AM
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by Andrew:
Chris Mullin received the opportunity for a GM position he had absolutely no prior experience in. "Special Administrative Assistant Whatever" doers not qualify.

Does it not qualify, or does it not qualify more that Mark's analyst experience?

I don't know what the job description for GSW Special Assistant was, or what Mullin had responsibility for. It's simply a title to me. Al Attles is a helluva guy to work for. His credentials and background are among the most respected.

I would submit that as neither Mullin (as GM) or Jackson (as my head coach du jour) list any prior experience with either position - I would submit they are on equal footing with regard to their preparation.

Another critical element is relationships. The personal relationships they each bring to the table are anyone's guess. I would also submit they are both perceived a honorable individuals to deal with.

There only disparity between the two men is opportunity.

right, we don't know the job description for mullin's role as special assistant. so we don't whether he came into his gm role on "equal footing" with what jackson would come into the role with. Any inside info you have about the experiences of a tv analyst is interesting to read. But I think you can tout that without having to denigrate mullin’s experience to do so.
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2/13/2008  11:31 AM
Marv - c'mon, when was the requirement for "fair and balanced" ever enforced (especially in this nut house) to validate an opinion?

... besides, any of my so-called "denigration" of Chris Mullin was only done to challenge people to use more of their brains.

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2/13/2008  11:51 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Marv - c'mon, when was the requirement for "fair and balanced" ever enforced (especially in this nut house) to validate an opinion?

... besides, any of my so-called "denigration" of Chris Mullin was only done to challenge people to use more of their brains.

I thought it was to use more drugs. Damn, now what am I gonna do with all this sh!t?
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2/13/2008  12:38 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by misterearl:

Marv - c'mon, when was the requirement for "fair and balanced" ever enforced (especially in this nut house) to validate an opinion?

... besides, any of my so-called "denigration" of Chris Mullin was only done to challenge people to use more of their brains.

I thought it was to use more drugs. Damn, now what am I gonna do with all this sh!t?


Panos - just in case you need to unload... I know a guy that knows a guy...

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2/13/2008  1:18 PM
Mista,

Your analogy is similar to "walter cronkite" or "Tom Brokaw" for president.

They deliver the news, Jax called the game.

Jax far more credible as a point guard than him being an announcer.

LIke I said, your far more subjective than factual so rather than just say, "Yeah, I like Mark Jax and would be happy if he got the gig" then the diatribe over his thought process as if you were his roomate does leave it open.

It would be logical that being a special assistant in preparation for being a GM is not akin to being an anouncer. Mully was subject to the business side of running a franchise and thus was a part of the "being accountable" side of the equation.

The color announcer simply calls it as he sees it and tries to put his knowlege on the entertainment. Part of a good show is to take a stand. The next game, take a stand, but not accountable for making a decision from the previous game.

But if you want to defend your choice, be our guest.

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2/13/2008  1:48 PM
Nalod

I appreciate your participation in this most scholarly discussion.

"They deliver the news, Jax called the game."

My premise was not based in anaolgy but a comparison of the two careers of Mullin and Jackson. You sir, introduced the fine art of analogy by invoking the obtuse names of walter cronkite and Tom Brokaw as to advocate their qualifications for president.

"Jax far more credible as a point guard than him being an announcer."

Nor was this any statement of Mark Jackson's ability as an anouncer, but another informed perspective on the vast media and production resources he has at his disposal to develop a point of view on the entire league as it relates to his advanced education.

"LIke I said, your far more subjective than factual so rather than just say, "Yeah, I like Mark Jax and would be happy if he got the gig" then the diatribe over his thought process as if you were his roomate does leave it open"

Dude. of course I'm subjective. My "diatribe" mentioned little to nothing about Jackson's thought process. I am not a practitioner of the Vulcan mind meld and never have been. This like experience comparison was more about the sum of his exposure/experience and his potential to process that information and apply it the role as head coach.

If you really wanna talk analagous situations: If crew-cutted, sweet-shooting Chris Mullin can be given the huge responsibility of GM'ing the Warriors from the mere opportunity of licking stamps in the mail room...

... certainly the former assist-magnet Mark Jackson can draw up an offensive set for 5 young Knicks at halftime when they are down by 11 as a Knicks Head Coach.

c'mon, get wit da freakin' program

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2/13/2008  2:03 PM
Posted by misterearl:

If you really wanna talk analagous situations: If crew-cutted, sweet-shooting Chris Mullin can be given the huge responsibility of GM'ing the Warriors from the mere opportunity of licking stamps in the mail room...

LOL
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2/13/2008  2:04 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by misterearl:

If you really wanna talk analagous situations: If crew-cutted, sweet-shooting Chris Mullin can be given the huge responsibility of GM'ing the Warriors from the mere opportunity of licking stamps in the mail room...

LOL

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2/27/2008  10:59 AM
"Vandeweghe's hiring history could work in Mark Jackson's favor. A former Knicks teammate of Vandeweghe's who is a Nets broadcaster, Jackson is regarded as a top coaching candidate. Celtics assistant coach Tom Thibodeau, Knicks assistant Herb Williams and Patrick Ewing could also be under consideration. Scott Skiles, Rick Carlisle, Jeff Van Gundy and Doug Collins are all candidates with previous heading-coaching experience."

No to Doug Collins

Yes to Mark Jackson

"Hiring Vandeweghe could lead to the return of several former Knick players. If Ewing is not hired as head coach, he would likely be asked to join the team as an assistant. Also, Vandeweghe could bring in Allan Houston or Greg Anthony as an assistant GM."

Yes to Allan Houston

No to Hawaii 5-oh shirt wearin' Greg Anthony

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2/27/2008  11:18 AM
I wouldn't mind Jackson but he'd have to bring in strong defensive coaches, like a Tom Thibodeau, to help him. Also bringing in Ewing and keeping Herb is as imperative as getting rid of Isiah's sycophants Aguirre, Suhr and Glymph.

With the rebuilding job that needs to be done, I don't think a retread head coach would work. They need to think outside the box.

Whoever they bring in, this team has to be completely gutted and fumigated to remove the stench that is Isiah.
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2/27/2008  2:37 PM
what makes you think a newbie coach can handle this mess?
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2/27/2008  8:19 PM
panos - because the same Doc Rivers who was on the list to walk "The Green Mile" last season is suddenly a better coach this season.

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2/27/2008  9:17 PM
Posted by misterearl:

panos - because the same Doc Rivers who was on the list to walk "The Green Mile" last season is suddenly a better coach this season.

I miss Butch Beard

What does that have to do with the price of dynamite in Tasmania?
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2/27/2008  9:38 PM
because you can't help yourself P

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2/27/2008  10:23 PM
By the way, I wonder if you noticed that Doc "Green Mile" Rivers happens to have 3 all star caliber players and 1 MVP candidate in his SL?
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