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2/5/2008  9:28 AM
This is not even worth debating if you support Crawford and believe he is an effective player you should stop watching basketball plain and simple.

Crawford is not a good ball player we haven't won more than 36 games coming up on his fifth season here. If you defend him you're an idiot. Potential stops after you have been in the league for seven seasons. If you gave Marbury the same number of shots the results would be identical. He doesn't hit any where near the number of big shots as he misses and generally the team is in a whole because of his wild play and lack of commitment on defense it's that simple.

If we can move him to the heat for ricky davis and cook i would do it in a heartbeat. Any expiring in a heartbeat
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2/5/2008  9:45 AM
Posted by MS:

This is not even worth debating if you support Crawford and believe he is an effective player you should stop watching basketball plain and simple.

Crawford is not a good ball player we haven't won more than 36 games coming up on his fifth season here. If you defend him you're an idiot. Potential stops after you have been in the league for seven seasons. If you gave Marbury the same number of shots the results would be identical. He doesn't hit any where near the number of big shots as he misses and generally the team is in a whole because of his wild play and lack of commitment on defense it's that simple.

If we can move him to the heat for ricky davis and cook i would do it in a heartbeat. Any expiring in a heartbeat

Just suppress your obvious hate for the man for a second. You dont think that in the proper environment, Crawford can be a more than effective player? The talent is there, it just hasnt been harnessed.

Comparisons to J-Will come to mind. Marginalized as a street baller until he hooks up with Hubie ultimately leading to a 'ship with the Heat.
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2/5/2008  9:58 AM
Jamal is not being utilyzed correctly. The coach has not demanded more passing and dribble penetration[notice the FT going down quite quickly] Jamal Crawford thinks he is Kobe Bryant and we need a coach who needs to tell him what his role is. He has the talent--there is no question about that--does it equate to helping a team win type talent--I cant say that until the team is revamped.

Listen I am open to any idea that involves trading for a bunch of younger talent and picks--but it has to make sense. I think from where we are it might be better to switch GM's and coaches and go with some of the guys here and bring in others including what will hopefully be a high pick. There is no doubt we should throw in the proverbial towel here and get some other guys minutes[chandler morris] start putting in calls to new potential management people etc... it's over--it's going to get REAL ugly here.
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2/5/2008  10:09 AM
The problem here is isiah doesn't know the game of basketball plain and simple. The team hasn't improved defensively we can't run an offense, turn the ball over this team is the biggest disgrace in all of sports.....

Given the right environment, maybe on a team like the spurs or the pistons off the bench could he do alright, sure. But sooner of later a player has to realize that his game isn't producing wins. You shouldn't have to cater to guys.

I would literally give up curry and crawford for anything at this point. The two just don't produce wins, they don't score in the flow of the offense and we would be better off playing chandler right now but the guy can't even get into the game. Morris can't get any time either, the best thing that could happen is an injury to curry or zach something that isn't serious but just keeps them out of action so all these young guys get minutes......

If this guy could actually draft instead of reach we would already be primed for a championship run in 10'. However he panics and makes overpriced signings in a league were buyouts happen all the time and you can get good players for virtually nothing on a year to year basis....
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2/5/2008  1:40 PM
Posted by MS:

The problem here is isiah doesn't know the game of basketball plain and simple.

the guy's a HOF PG with 2 championship rings on his finger & he doesn't know basketball? wow, u guys are something else... the man's made some terrible moves as GM & may know nothing about how to act like a professional in upper management, but anyone's who's reached the heights during his playing career that this guy has definitely knows the game... u guys are seriously trippin' now.
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2/5/2008  2:43 PM
Yea he knows the game?

The guy has brought in players that don't know how to play, hasn't helped teach it to them, and hasn't helped them mature as players.

I don't care what he did on the court it has no baring on what he has done with the Knicks. To say Isiah has a good understand of this game is just plain stupid.

The guy thought the following could work

Marbury & Francis
Curry & Randolf

He thought Curry was a franchise talent and said no one the past two drafts was better than curry. Meanwhile Roy is one of the best ****ing guards in the league, Gay and Aldridge are future allstars and Noah would have been an upgrade over Curry (As would Kurt Thomas I might add).

He overdrafts all the time outside of David Lee reaching on players like Frye who is terrible, Collins who can't play ball, and Chandler who can't break this ****ty rotation. Takes a small foward with four good pg prospects on the board, not to mention signed two players to long term deals that can't average above 4pts.

If you know the game you don't make the moves he has made, you don't have a staff in place that doesn't know how to improve the players or get through to the garbage you bring in. He doesn't know a thing about coaching, rotations, defensive matchups. He is the biggest disgrace in the hitory of this city.

A guy that understands the game, understands what winning a championship is all about doesn't bring in 11 guys that can't play defense, when thats what wins in this league. He doesn't bring in consistent outside scores, a guy that can distribute the ball. You can't **** up the way he has done if you tried, if you tried.

So his resume has nothing on it, outside of failures in Toronto, the CBA, Indy, and the New York Knicks.
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2/5/2008  2:58 PM
Posted by MS:

Yea he knows the game?

The guy has brought in players that don't know how to play, hasn't helped teach it to them, and hasn't helped them mature as players.

I don't care what he did on the court it has no baring on what he has done with the Knicks. To say Isiah has a good understand of this game is just plain stupid.

The guy thought the following could work

Marbury & Francis
Curry & Randolf

He thought Curry was a franchise talent and said no one the past two drafts was better than curry. Meanwhile Roy is one of the best ****ing guards in the league, Gay and Aldridge are future allstars and Noah would have been an upgrade over Curry (As would Kurt Thomas I might add).

He overdrafts all the time outside of David Lee reaching on players like Frye who is terrible, Collins who can't play ball, and Chandler who can't break this ****ty rotation. Takes a small foward with four good pg prospects on the board, not to mention signed two players to long term deals that can't average above 4pts.

If you know the game you don't make the moves he has made, you don't have a staff in place that doesn't know how to improve the players or get through to the garbage you bring in. He doesn't know a thing about coaching, rotations, defensive matchups. He is the biggest disgrace in the hitory of this city.

A guy that understands the game, understands what winning a championship is all about doesn't bring in 11 guys that can't play defense, when thats what wins in this league. He doesn't bring in consistent outside scores, a guy that can distribute the ball. You can't **** up the way he has done if you tried, if you tried.

So his resume has nothing on it, outside of failures in Toronto, the CBA, Indy, and the New York Knicks.

So is it fair to say that Isiah knew the game only as a PLAYER, which is what I believe also ? He's got the rings and the leadership (once again, as a PLAYER) to back that up. He's considered to be one of the greatest little men of all time, which is a very reasonable statement IMHO.

There's a fine line between having talent and having an eye for talent. It's highly apparent he doesn't have the latter.
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2/5/2008  3:05 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by MS:

The problem here is isiah doesn't know the game of basketball plain and simple.

the guy's a HOF PG with 2 championship rings on his finger & he doesn't know basketball? wow, u guys are something else... the man's made some terrible moves as GM & may know nothing about how to act like a professional in upper management, but anyone's who's reached the heights during his playing career that this guy has definitely knows the game... u guys are seriously trippin' now.


yea, I agree, Isiah knows the game, probably has forgotten more about the game, than many of us will ever know. He is a horrible GM, but to say he doesn't know the game is not true......
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2/5/2008  3:10 PM
I hate all the Crawford bashing, just like I hate it when people bash Lee for being weak in certain areas.

Jamal Crawford is what he is: a player that would be great as a third or fourth option. Put Crawford on the Celtics and see how much they'd improve.

In New York, he's asked to be the team's best player. Is that really on Crawford? Someone actually designed a team to be built around Curry and Crawford, and now apparently Zach Randolph too. Before Marbury and Francis was a recipe for success. Does this really sound like a winning strategy?

I can't believe people take the time to yell and get all huffy about things we've known about Crawford for years. It just isn't worth the time.
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2/6/2008  12:25 AM
Posted by MS:

Yea he knows the game?

The guy has brought in players that don't know how to play, hasn't helped teach it to them, and hasn't helped them mature as players.

I don't care what he did on the court it has no baring on what he has done with the Knicks. To say Isiah has a good understand of this game is just plain stupid.

IMO the only one who sounds stupid here is you challenging a HOF player on his basketball knowledge... let's be real here, what have u ever achieved in basketball other than having the largest anti-Jamal Crawford thread count on the UK forums? has Isiah made dumb moves as a NBA executive? of course... everyone's aware of that... so have Michael Jordan, Kevin McHale & other HOF players who've failed as NBA execs... do you feel none of them know anything about basketball either?

[Edited by - TMS on 02-05-2008 11:04 PM]
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