Posted by oohah:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Haslem averaged 49fg% 68ft% 10pts 8rebs in 31mins last season.
Lee averaged 60fg% 81ft% 10pts 10rebs 29mins last season.
Haslem averages 47.5fg% 79ft%, 9rebs, 12pts in 37mins this season
Lee averagages 55fg%, 80ft%, 8rebs, 10pts in 27mins this season.
He averages 2 less pts, 1 less rebound in 10 less mins. Plus he comes off the bench behind Zach Randolph while Haslem is the starter on Miami. Plus the fact that Haslem has had the luxary of playing along side of Shaq.
Not only is Lee more productive per mins than Haslem. What really seperates him from Haslem is his intangibles. Then we could look at physical attributes. Lee is 6-9 249, Haslem is 6'8 230. Lee also has more athletism than Haslem. So Lee is basically bigger, more atheltic, and more intangible than Haslem. As well as more productive per mins than Haslem.
On a side note. If Randolph had a higher basketball IQ. Which would probably help him drastically in the team concept of basketball he would be a great player.
New York,
You're comparing numbers in a vacuum, you have to look at what they do, not just straight stats.
Haslem steps outside and routinely knocks down 15 footers which helps open up the floor for Wade and Shaq. The defense can't just leave Haslem like they do Lee. If Lee steps more than 5 feet from the basket he doesn't do much of anything. It's great that Lee stays within himself, but that accounts for Lee's high field goal percentage and the extra rebounds compared to Haslem. If Lee shoots 5 15-footers a game, that would be 5 more missed shots and a couple less rebounds per game. There goes the great rebound average and shooting percentage.
Intangibles: Haslem plays good D, Lee plays horrible defense. Haslem provides a viable alternative offensive threat so teams can't just leave him and double Shaq or Wade, Lee is not guarded a lot of the time. Both are known for making scrappy plays.
Athleticism: Lee is more athletic by a good margin, but it hasn't translated into anything but rebounds and dunks. Certainly not defense.
Wins: Haslem has been a starter on a championship team and has been on a winning team 4 out of his 5 years in the NBA. Is it luck? Partially. But the other part is that he has been able to contribute in many different ways: rebounding, shooting, defense, and hustle. At this point, Lee only contributes rebounding and (offensive) hustle.
I'll give you a good example.: By all accounts, Lee had a great game last night vs. the Blazers. But down the stretch he was ineffective. The Blazers double teamed Randolph and Crawford and totally shut down the Knicks' offense. If we had Haslem out there instead of Lee, Haslem would have feasted on 10-15 foot jumpers and he would have played some defense to boot.
oohah
Instead of Lee shooting 15fters he would be cutting to the basket when they double team Shaq with Lee's man. Shaq's passing out of the post is light years better than Curry & Randolph. Or if Lee got the ball open 15 feet from the basket. He would put the ball on the floor which he is solid at, and take it to the rack. Probably get fouled where he shoots 80% from the field. Or shoot a 7-5ft hook where he shoots 55-60% from the field. Or make the bigs commit and pass the ball which he is pretty damn good at for a big man. No he wouldn't be able to knock down the 15fters like Haslem can but that wouldn't render him useless. Especially with a skilled high IQ player like Shaq to play along side of. He hasn't been able to knock down 15fters in NY but he still seems to work well with either Curry or Randolph.
I think you are giving Haslem to much credit for the success of the Heat over the last few yrs. Shaq is only putting up 14pts 8rebs, Mourning is playing 16mins a game, Wade is dealing with injuries left and right and the Heat are the worst team in the NBA while Haslem is getting 37mins a game. He obviosly isn't impacting the game to much while Shaq & Mourning are a shell of themselves. The season before they got Shaq they had Wade, Caron Butler, Eddie Jones, Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, Alston & Haslem.
The way I see it, its product of environment. Haslem has had the luxary of playing with Superstars & proffessionals like Wade, Shaq, Mourning. And had the luxary of being coached by Pat Riley over the past few yrs. Lee has had the luxary of playing with Marbury, Crawford, Curry, Randolph. Lee has had the luxary of being coached by Isiah Thomas over the past few yrs. Haslem has been lucky enough to be on a Heat team that has had some of there best yrs. Lee has been lucky enough to be on a Knicks team that has had some of the worst yrs in the history of sports. Replace Lee with Haslem. Wade, Shaq, Mourning would cover his weaknesses and Riley would put him in a position to succeed and he would look like a star role player. While on the Knicks all of Haslems flaws would be exploited and he would be in a toxic basketball environment.
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2/2/2008 3:56 PM
