Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by martin:

Eny, didn't see the game but I did read this from Berman's blog:

the Lakers outscored the Knicks, 29-9, to finish the game. The Knicks failed to get back on defense, failed to guard the 3-point line, allowed Sasha Vujacic to burn them for five 3-pointers. Kobe Bryant awoke from his first-half passiveness to make a few big shots, scoring 20 of his 24 points. Nate Robinson picked up a foolish technical after Vujacic fouled him. Robinson pushed him into the stanchion, then he got into it with Balkman, who was trying to calm Nate down.

"We kind of had a meltdown,'' Thomas said.

Nate, the PG leagder?

Vujacic had Nate by the arms and he pushed off a bit, that did not warrant a technical also Nate wanted to speak to Ref after the incident to get an explanation of the tech and Balkman was preventing him from doing so. Eventually Nate spoke to ref about the call and that was about it. That's what I saw in my opinion, Berman is just adding to the fodder.

fair enough.

Don't know when in the game or by how many down the Knicks were at that point.... but a tech after you just scored and got fouled. The PG HAS to be a leader on the court at times, perhaps not the overall team leader but cool head indeed. Does Nate have that? Can he get there? Does he have enough to be the full time PG?

Still no in my book. Again, love Nate this year. MIP on the Knicks by a wide margin.

It really is silly for Isiah to keep bringing nate off the bench.

He has been our most effective and consistent overall player over the last month or so.

We always knew Nate was our best shooter and probably our best penetrator. And, we knew he would always try hard. However, now that he is racking up the assists and making nice passes while hardly turning the ball over, his game in on another level. He just brings a competiveness that you need to win. If he is not knocking down three's he is grabbing offensive rebounds. THis guy just excels at too many facets of the game to not be playing 35 minutes a night.

If nate isn't our pg of the future, he is at least our 2 guard of the future who plays point when the point guard goes out. When you play as hard as nate you need that break in the middle of the half to rest to prepare for the end of the quarter. It is just ridiculous that Isiah is not starting this guy already. We have other players that can provide energy off the bench.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Cash:

It really is silly for Isiah to keep bringing nate off the bench.

He has been our most effective and consistent overall player over the last month or so.

We always knew Nate was our best shooter and probably our best penetrator. And, we knew he would always try hard. However, now that he is racking up the assists and making nice passes while hardly turning the ball over, his game in on another level. He just brings a competiveness that you need to win. If he is not knocking down three's he is grabbing offensive rebounds. THis guy just excels at too many facets of the game to not be playing 35 minutes a night.

If nate isn't our pg of the future, he is at least our 2 guard of the future who plays point when the point guard goes out. When you play as hard as nate you need that break in the middle of the half to rest to prepare for the end of the quarter. It is just ridiculous that Isiah is not starting this guy already. We have other players that can provide energy off the bench.

I think the opposite. Nate may be our most effective and consistent overall player over the last month or so BECAUSE he is still coming off the bench instead of starting.

We are winning some games, Nate is getting better at his role... why change it up?

He needs the rest. He is running around out there like crazy, and deserves to get the breather. It will also help his jumper at the end of the fourth quarter when we need it most.

And, we are not really winning that many games. Although to be honest, putting nate into the starting lineup really only works for the team if you take curry out and put lee in as well. That would balance the offensive shot distribution out better. However, Lee should be starting and getting that breather for the same reason nate should be...

We always have Balkman and Jeffries and Jones for energy. And it is about time we moved on and starting givings guys like Chandler a chance to break his ass for some playing time.

^I actually don't blame Isiah for thinking that way. Sometimes when it seems like an obvious move to move a guy who's prospering as a bench player into the SL it's a bad move (like with Ben Gordon). I would at least try it for a while though. Mardy Collins belongs in the NBDL.

Yeah, but I just don't trust a player who's going bald at the age of 23 to be the starting SG.

if there's 1 thing Isiah never does, it's messing w/a winning formula.

i think i wanna burn ur house down & kill ur family.

i dunno what ur talking about bro *cough*

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by EnySpree:

I was trying to find an old thread where I was calling Nate elite and some guys here wanted to burn my house down and kill my family over it....

anyway, what do you guys think now?

1. He isn't elite. Elite is elite. Nate isn't elite.
2. It is preseason.
3. Nate is a good player who will do very well in this offense but don't go overboard.

Knicks fans tend to overrate their own players(see: Lampe, Sweetney, Frank Williams, Ariza, Balkman, etc.) because they want something to believe in. Nate is better than those players but he isn't great and he definitely isn't elite. You can like a player and call him good. Yeah, believe me, it's possible.

Overall, he's a nice piece to have in this offense and this club. Raising his value will only benefit us.

I meant to say he was an elite shooter....

i agree w/u nixluva... how many times do we see threads where guys like Linas Kleiza & Marcus Williams get props for putting up decent statlines & then the same guys tell us our own guys are nothing special.

Posted by TMS:

i agree w/u nixluva... how many times do we see threads where guys like Linas Kleiza & Marcus Williams get props for putting up decent statlines & then the same guys tell us our own guys are nothing special.

Who the hell ever praised Marcus Williams? And Kleiza deserved the praise. He was playing pretty damn well there for a long stretch. He did go out there and prove it. He has the talent. But he's also a role player. Nobody is calling him amazing.

As for the other guy, 90's Knicks are not overrated. That team personified NY even if they never won a title. They were rugged and took no **** from anyone. Those are legendary times.