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K22
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1/25/2008  10:11 PM
Boy, JC's been playing an AWFUL lot of minutes lately. 45 tonight.
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1/25/2008  10:54 PM
Posted by K22:

Boy, JC's been playing an AWFUL lot of minutes lately. 45 tonight.

If you want to win as badly as Isiah you will use all you have. And abuse it also.
We saw this last year and know how this ended.


[Edited by - arkrud on 01-25-2008 10:55 PM]
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1/25/2008  11:13 PM
Was at the game tonight.

Good performance from the players some have been touting lately.

Jeffries is turning me around 180 degrees. He impressed me as the guy Isiah thought he would be, but mainly with the lineups that appear to perform well (have to check the numbers to confirm):

Crawford
Nate
Jeffries
Balkman
Lee

Crawford
Nate
Jeffries
Z-Bo
Lee

Late in the 4th Isiah seemed to run Jeffries with Curry and Q and still did pretty well on D, so that was good.

Curry did some good things, but I still feel he's out of sync with the guys we do best with.

Zach is definitely NOT a problem. If we had some other guys on his level we'd be doing very well. He made a really nice pass early on that also showed some potential for unselfishness.

Nate showed promise again, although still need for some growth. A play late in the 4th where he made a nice drive to the basket, trying his new dishing style, to Lee, was a forced pass, and I saw Isiah talking to him after the play.

Actually, there were ZERO 'Fire Isiah' chants tonight and I was there from the tip. The team generally played like a team, and other than Curry's, no one else seemed to be booed tonight. Generally, this was perhaps the most enjoyable of the 3 games I've attended this year, of which I have seen the team go 2-1 (2W - Washington & Philly, 1L - Indiana).


I also wanted to say something else.

I think that MSG's crowd is very interesting these days, and I wonder what the long term implications might be. Back in the 90's it was a VERY white crowd, of mostly well off folks who could afford tix. Now, it is a very diverse crowd, of not just whites and people of color, but international people.

Last year that was commented on by myself and djsu, but tonight I really noticed it again. There was a row of 5 pretty young ladies (many in Knicks gear, and jerseys) next to me speaking another language but I couldn't make it out, probably too young so I wasn't going there, but after the game I asked them where they were from and they said Spain. I talked and asked about some of the Spaniards in the league (Gasol, Garbajosa, Calderon) and they seemed excited about that.

I heard several other languages spoken tonight, which I think is a very interesting phenomenon. Will this mean in this odd stretch of losing, people who may not be able to normally afford Knick games are going? Will international folk who come to NYC become Knick fans?

Lee was discussed by two folks in front of me, and in general, it seemed most enjoyed tonight's game.

Anyway, I had a good time, and bumped into someone I hadn't seen in years.

[Edited by - PresIke on 01-25-2008 11:14 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 01-25-2008 11:15 PM]
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1/25/2008  11:52 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Curry is the biggest negative stat player IN NBA HISTORY!

Curry single handed caused havoc with Philly's bigs- -I think he was responsible for like 8 fouls in the first half on the Philly bigs -Calvin Booth, Jason Smith, Dalembert, and Evans- at least. Curry 's value is this - when he gets in the post - Isiah was right 3 things will happen:
1. He'll score
2. He'll get fouled
3. He'll get to the line

I think he has been working on his foul throw shooting.

Jeffries job on AI was awesome in the second half, Balkman got take out because he made the same mistake on an entry pass to Randolph - twice in a row - you need to sit for the rest of the game for stuff like that. D. Lee - got caught out of position a couple of times tonite on defense and had turnovers- if he wasn't the crowd's favorite - he would have been pulled- he still doesn't have a jumpshot -after all these years an so much playing time!! Zach played a great game - and I agree Crawford - bad form, bad decisions, still needs to work on a handle (which does not mean And 1 tricks)- that one time when he purposely let the clock go down to one second to try and hit a stupid shot was really sorry - you could see isiah holding that tight smile and giving Craw the look. Hands down -Zach Randolph -best player -efficient in shooting/rebounding - gave a few assists - but most importantly is starting to take it to the hole - as a PF - if you can't take it to the hole - you need to sit.

Anyway - I don't think they played their 'A' game tonite- they might be resting up for the road trip - which is fine - if they win 2 -3 games on this -we should be OK - especially with the Nets and Philly on a losing streak.


[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 01-25-2008 11:54 PM]
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1/26/2008  12:18 AM
Curry did some good things, but I still feel he's out of sync with the guys we do best with.

out of sync. let me tell you the problem with curry, and I posted this on another forum..
He reminds me of what my friend wife does.... She used to type near 100 words a minute or something like that. It was something that almost came natural. She used to get these jobs as an executive secretary making 50-65K per year, basically typing on the computer all day, and this was 12 years ago,so god knows what she makes now.. she hated the job, but she was so gifted at typing, so she just treated it as a typical 9-5 gig. It paid the bills and at 5:00 she was out the door... Nothing more ,nothing less.. LOL..

That is curry, having to dedicate himself in the offseason just takes too much of his personal time and freedoms. He likes to probably go out 4 times a week( hell he makes 10 mil a year, the world is your playground with that type of money) and in NY there are all types of places to have a world class meal, the same with chicago. so he doesn't bother with sacrafice and discipline and doing what it takes for him to reach his potential.. Hell no, that is too much work for curry, too much sacrafice.. He rather half ass it all the way.. Instead of putting in 15 great years and retiring at 35(which is very young in life, not sports) leaving a nice legacy in the NBA with the god given talent he has, and then enjoying the rest of his life with about 50-80 mil in the bank, he rather, half ass it, collect his checks, play out his contract, leave a legacy filled with dissapointment and what if's. Just as long as he can drive his whips, eat his philly cheese steaks and shrimp dinners, show up at the games, and run up and down the court with a half effort.. all is good with eddy......

Out of sync? how about out of touch, and out of shape..

[Edited by - tkf on 26-01-2008 12:18 AM]
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1/26/2008  12:42 AM
Posted by iyamwutiam:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Curry is the biggest negative stat player IN NBA HISTORY!

Curry single handed caused havoc with Philly's bigs- -I think he was responsible for like 8 fouls in the first half on the Philly bigs -Calvin Booth, Jason Smith, Dalembert, and Evans- at least. Curry 's value is this - when he gets in the post - Isiah was right 3 things will happen:
1. He'll score
2. He'll get fouled
3. He'll get to the line

I think he has been working on his foul throw shooting.

Jeffries job on AI was awesome in the second half, Balkman got take out because he made the same mistake on an entry pass to Randolph - twice in a row - you need to sit for the rest of the game for stuff like that. D. Lee - got caught out of position a couple of times tonite on defense and had turnovers- if he wasn't the crowd's favorite - he would have been pulled- he still doesn't have a jumpshot -after all these years an so much playing time!! Zach played a great game - and I agree Crawford - bad form, bad decisions, still needs to work on a handle (which does not mean And 1 tricks)- that one time when he purposely let the clock go down to one second to try and hit a stupid shot was really sorry - you could see isiah holding that tight smile and giving Craw the look. Hands down -Zach Randolph -best player -efficient in shooting/rebounding - gave a few assists - but most importantly is starting to take it to the hole - as a PF - if you can't take it to the hole - you need to sit.

Anyway - I don't think they played their 'A' game tonite- they might be resting up for the road trip - which is fine - if they win 2 -3 games on this -we should be OK - especially with the Nets and Philly on a losing streak.


[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 01-25-2008 11:54 PM]


You see Curry fools people like you. You are naturally easily fooled. You support I SAY UGH with every breath so this response wasn't surprising. Curry was good for about 6min and the rest of the time on the court he was the worst basketball player in the universe. It took everything we had to beat this team and they aren't good.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-25-2008 11:45 PM]
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1/26/2008  1:00 AM
Did you watch the game? how can you dispute that Curry put at least 6 fouls on Dalembert (2), Evans (2) , Smith (1) and Booth (2)- in the limited time he played?
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1/26/2008  2:25 AM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Did you watch the game? how can you dispute that Curry put at least 6 fouls on Dalembert (2), Evans (2) , Smith (1) and Booth (2)- in the limited time he played?

dude read my post..

curr was not good..
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1/26/2008  10:59 AM
He did get fouls and then went 3-10 from the line which is considered a turnover. Kudos to Zach when he moves the ball we are a better team. Really like how Nate is playing he just will compete and that is all we can ask for from this team
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1/26/2008  11:14 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Crawford's dancing and prancing? I guess he pulled off another Rucker park move. Funny how he pulls those off with perfection yet still can't handle his shot selection and terrible defense.

Yeah, and the RealGM game thread lit up like a christmas tree as usual after he did it. Yippee... didn't he also try to pass it to himself off the backboard last night resulting in a turnover? I think he did. People still OHHHHH!!!!'d when he flicked it at the back board though. Then settled down when the Sixers took it the other way.

This still brings me back to a moment in RealGM history that I will NEVER forget. Crawful did one of his ridiculous crossovers. His opponent was no where to be found. Crawful had a clear lane to the basket. Instead he jacks up an 18 foot fadeaway and barely draws iron.

Guess what? I had like 30 RealGM kiddies attacking me pleading for the footage of the crossover. Meanwhile for over two minutes the Garden crowd was still BUZZING after their initial And-1 "OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" shout out to Crawful. Nobody cared he bricked the shot. They only wanted to molest him and have his babies because he crossed someone over.

Thanks a lot, ESPN highlights and the AND1 tour and crappy rappers for instilling such intelligence in our basketball crowds these days!

"Who cares he missed! That cross over was sick! Why are you hating on him!?" was one response to me when I told them I already deleted the file.

NYBOCKER

Can I make a request? Please record the SuperBowl.

LOL...highly unlikely. 99.99999% sure I'm going to a party. Not that a give a crap about the SB. Just to go eat and drink and shoot the **** with some people.

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1/26/2008  3:19 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by GKFv2:

Crawford's dancing and prancing? I guess he pulled off another Rucker park move. Funny how he pulls those off with perfection yet still can't handle his shot selection and terrible defense.

Yeah, and the RealGM game thread lit up like a christmas tree as usual after he did it. Yippee... didn't he also try to pass it to himself off the backboard last night resulting in a turnover? I think he did. People still OHHHHH!!!!'d when he flicked it at the back board though. Then settled down when the Sixers took it the other way.

This still brings me back to a moment in RealGM history that I will NEVER forget. Crawful did one of his ridiculous crossovers. His opponent was no where to be found. Crawful had a clear lane to the basket. Instead he jacks up an 18 foot fadeaway and barely draws iron.

Guess what? I had like 30 RealGM kiddies attacking me pleading for the footage of the crossover. Meanwhile for over two minutes the Garden crowd was still BUZZING after their initial And-1 "OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" shout out to Crawful. Nobody cared he bricked the shot. They only wanted to molest him and have his babies because he crossed someone over.

Thanks a lot, ESPN highlights and the AND1 tour and crappy rappers for instilling such intelligence in our basketball crowds these days!

"Who cares he missed! That cross over was sick! Why are you hating on him!?" was one response to me when I told them I already deleted the file.

NYBOCKER

Can I make a request? Please record the SuperBowl.

LOL...highly unlikely. 99.99999% sure I'm going to a party. Not that a give a crap about the SB. Just to go eat and drink and shoot the **** with some people.


yea, cosmic, all of that is true, but in the end, people still want to be entertained, that is why they ooh and ahh when dwight howard dunks at the garden, or when Iverson comes in and crosses over a player and misses, they do the same thing.. yea, winning is important, but you well know, that in the end, it is all entertainment.... Especially to the casual fan.....
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1/26/2008  4:55 PM
Cosmic you're only saying what I've stated and felt for a couple yrs now. His Oky Doke moves are becoming comical. Notice what I said about 3-4weeks would happen, is happening. Crawford is pulling/attempting more and more of those moves off because his popularity is growing in NY. The crowd is nut riding him to the very end. I was laughing when Jalen Rose made the comment a couple weeks ago on ESPN stating "Jamal Crawford literally works on these moves in practice", as if to say "his intent is to pull these moves off in the game", "inventing news ways to score creatively". Not that the moves are done off instinct and impulse from his background. I was like WOW unreal.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-26-2008 11:09 PM]
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1/26/2008  5:22 PM
Posted by JonsTintedTails:

No way. Knicks never play Philly well. Philly by 11-15

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1/26/2008  11:59 PM
That play where he threw it off the backboard was a broken play where he was trying to bail himself out. He committed the cardinal sin of jumping with the intent of passing the ball, when he saw the pass was impossible, he flipped it up against the backboard which was technically a smart way to try and bail himself out at that point. It wasn't done to be flashy IMO. This one instance.
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