Posted by kam77:

Why not just limit the list to Wilt? Was there ever anyone better?

Posted by kam77:

Posted by holfresh:


All time greats change the game...those other guys was just merely excellent participants...

No one approached Isiah til Allen Iverson. And he hasn't won. So how is that not changing the game? When has a 6'1 PG ever led his team to TITLES? Back-to-Back and against those vaunted Laker and Celtic dynasties. Give it a rest already.

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by kam77:

Posted by holfresh:


All time greats change the game...those other guys was just merely excellent participants...

No one approached Isiah til Allen Iverson. And he hasn't won. So how is that not changing the game? When has a 6'1 PG ever led his team to TITLES? Back-to-Back and against those vaunted Laker and Celtic dynasties. Give it a rest already.

When has a 6-1' player done the back to back??? Bob Cousey did it first and ran off quite a few!

IT did lead NCAA Indiana to the last undefeated season in 1976!

Isiah is a bonafide HOF with lots of cred. I'd put him on the second tier of greats. Certainly top 50, right there with Clyde, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem,and Kobe among greats with multiple rings but not define the position.

Thats not a slight by anymeans!

I think that Isiah thinks he is tippy top mac daddy for the era but that belongs to bird-Magic-Jordan.

Isiah is there with Ewing-Barkley-malone and others except he got the bling! Bling is important and puts him just above those.


[Edited by - nalod on 20-01-2008 11:37 PM]

Posted by kam77:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by kam77:

Posted by holfresh:


All time greats change the game...those other guys was just merely excellent participants...

No one approached Isiah til Allen Iverson. And he hasn't won. So how is that not changing the game? When has a 6'1 PG ever led his team to TITLES? Back-to-Back and against those vaunted Laker and Celtic dynasties. Give it a rest already.

When has a 6-1' player done the back to back??? Bob Cousey did it first and ran off quite a few!

IT did lead NCAA Indiana to the last undefeated season in 1976!

Isiah is a bonafide HOF with lots of cred. I'd put him on the second tier of greats. Certainly top 50, right there with Clyde, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem,and Kobe among greats with multiple rings but not define the position.

Thats not a slight by anymeans!

I think that Isiah thinks he is tippy top mac daddy for the era but that belongs to bird-Magic-Jordan.

Isiah is there with Ewing-Barkley-malone and others except he got the bling! Bling is important and puts him just above those.


[Edited by - nalod on 20-01-2008 11:37 PM]

You put Bird in both tiers...

Nobody was ever better than Wilt .. he gets his own tier.

Michael and Shaq are on the next level.

Magic, Isiah, Bird, Kobe on Tier 3

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by kam77:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by kam77:

Posted by holfresh:


All time greats change the game...those other guys was just merely excellent participants...

No one approached Isiah til Allen Iverson. And he hasn't won. So how is that not changing the game? When has a 6'1 PG ever led his team to TITLES? Back-to-Back and against those vaunted Laker and Celtic dynasties. Give it a rest already.

When has a 6-1' player done the back to back??? Bob Cousey did it first and ran off quite a few!

IT did lead NCAA Indiana to the last undefeated season in 1976!

Isiah is a bonafide HOF with lots of cred. I'd put him on the second tier of greats. Certainly top 50, right there with Clyde, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem,and Kobe among greats with multiple rings but not define the position.

Thats not a slight by anymeans!

I think that Isiah thinks he is tippy top mac daddy for the era but that belongs to bird-Magic-Jordan.

Isiah is there with Ewing-Barkley-malone and others except he got the bling! Bling is important and puts him just above those.


[Edited by - nalod on 20-01-2008 11:37 PM]

You put Bird in both tiers...

Nobody was ever better than Wilt .. he gets his own tier.

Michael and Shaq are on the next level.

Magic, Isiah, Bird, Kobe on Tier 3

Leave to to the UK to ensure accuracy!

I think I listed Bird twice as I don't think he is tier one elite but helped define the Era.

without his rings I'd put him up there with Ewing-Barkley-Malone as the eras best players but his rings make him special.

Most special Isiah moment was "Bird Stole the ball! Bird Stole the ball!".

I never liked the "bad boys" and was happy to see Isiah fall short a few times. I did admire his talents and determination. When the bulls beat them and Isiah as the team leader snubbed them I thought it was the least professional act I had ever seen at that very high level.

Isiah was a great player who was a classless piece of Sh!T even back then.

Marbury learned from the best!

Bird is in the top tier I think Nolad...One of the truely smartest players that ever played...What hooked me on Bird was his understanding of the game..Forget he was a tremendous rebounder...Forget all the sweet multitude of passes you just don't see in the game anyone once he and Magic left..Kidd and Nash just don't do it the same...Forget he was knocking down threes like they were layups...Bird understood when to knock down that important three...Bird knew when to make that important steal...Bird's steal against Isiah in the playoffs wasn't an aberration for him, that was the norm...Bird is one of my all time favs...Sweet passes and nice picks is what I miss most from the old NBA...Truely knowing how to play the game the right way...

Isiah to his credit knew how to play the right way as well and was one of the great ones..One thing we miss in todays game is the understanding of the game and the recognition of how the parts should work...Isiah, Magic, Jordan,Bird, Stockton, Hakeem etc understood this...But for me, Bird, Magic and Jordan was on their own plateau...Then there was the rest of the greats...