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1/19/2008  10:16 PM
eddy doesn't love the game, he just likes it pays the bills.

remember eddy's a "tumbler" at heart.
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1/19/2008  10:17 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by iyamwutiam:

I think Curry should get props- he is obviously learning how to jump as witnessed by the block on Wade- and also - he is not pouting when he is not the focal point. I mean its a huge step to go from leading scorer to number two option in the post - especially when you can score in the post. Plus the 3 early fouls pretty much ruled out him playing an aggressive game.

But emotionally - its a big step for Eddie- and I hope he continues to buy into the 'team' concept. He will get his day in the sun - like he did against the Bulls - but its more improtant for the Knicks -to switch things up a bit with Randolph. The guy is a machine -the last few games- he gets a double double with out any one ever really feeling he is dominating the game.

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 01-19-2008 10:12 PM]

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 01-19-2008 10:13 PM]

Eddy Curry is arguably the worse person the starting line up. The Knicks should trade him asap.

Q is still the undisputed champ in that category.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 19-01-2008 10:17 PM]
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1/19/2008  10:20 PM
Say what you want about Eddie Curry - but mark my words- last year was not a fluke. Eddie is giving up is game to help the team - and once they all get comfortable with this 'style'= its only a matter of time before Eddie has another monster game - like he did in Chicago.

If you EVER lead two different teams in scoring and FG% - you are pretty much in elite company - regardless of how many polls in fan nation or sportswriter world say otherwise.
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1/19/2008  10:30 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Say what you want about Eddie Curry - but mark my words- last year was not a fluke. Eddie is giving up is game to help the team - and once they all get comfortable with this 'style'= its only a matter of time before Eddie has another monster game - like he did in Chicago.

If you EVER lead two different teams in scoring and FG% - you are pretty much in elite company - regardless of how many polls in fan nation or sportswriter world say otherwise.

Eddy Curry isn't in elite company. The team would probably be better if he were subtracted from the roster entirely. Last season will most likely be his best season. Isiah probably doesn't have plans to make him the no. 1 option on offense anymore, at least I hope he doesn't.
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1/19/2008  10:33 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by iyamwutiam:

I think Curry should get props- he is obviously learning how to jump as witnessed by the block on Wade- and also - he is not pouting when he is not the focal point. I mean its a huge step to go from leading scorer to number two option in the post - especially when you can score in the post. Plus the 3 early fouls pretty much ruled out him playing an aggressive game.

But emotionally - its a big step for Eddie- and I hope he continues to buy into the 'team' concept. He will get his day in the sun - like he did against the Bulls - but its more improtant for the Knicks -to switch things up a bit with Randolph. The guy is a machine -the last few games- he gets a double double with out any one ever really feeling he is dominating the game.

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 01-19-2008 10:12 PM]

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 01-19-2008 10:13 PM]

Eddy Curry is arguably the worse person the starting line up. The Knicks should trade him asap.
I think Stiffy Long Stockings Q is worse than Curry. Even in this game today. Q sits and Jeffries comes in and there is actually real defense on Wade.

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1/19/2008  10:36 PM
Holfresh your babbling gets very old I asked a question. You kill Lee last night and tonight he puts up numbers plays with emotion and didnt gripe at the res the whole night. Last night Jamnison kills Zach and Eddy the first half then Lee guarded him and he didnt score. You can dog Lee defense all you want it is better than Curry and Zach. Be critical of his shot, and just like I said last night when he get 30 minutes he wears people down and when did he get the big offensive rebound with about 30 seconds left.
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1/19/2008  10:38 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by iyamwutiam:

I think Curry should get props- he is obviously learning how to jump as witnessed by the block on Wade- and also - he is not pouting when he is not the focal point. I mean its a huge step to go from leading scorer to number two option in the post - especially when you can score in the post. Plus the 3 early fouls pretty much ruled out him playing an aggressive game.

But emotionally - its a big step for Eddie- and I hope he continues to buy into the 'team' concept. He will get his day in the sun - like he did against the Bulls - but its more improtant for the Knicks -to switch things up a bit with Randolph. The guy is a machine -the last few games- he gets a double double with out any one ever really feeling he is dominating the game.

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 01-19-2008 10:12 PM]

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 01-19-2008 10:13 PM]

Eddy Curry is arguably the worse person the starting line up. The Knicks should trade him asap.
I think Stiffy Long Stockings Q is worse than Curry. Even in this game today. Q sits and Jeffries comes in and there is actually real defense on Wade.

yeah stupid q is throwing off my argument. I would have phrased it differently entirely if it weren't for the fact that q has been hitting his shots recently.
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1/19/2008  10:38 PM
Posted by King1:

If Lee is the worst defensive player on this team why does he always guard the best big when he is in the game?

The answer is Lee doesn't usually guard the best big man. That simply is not true.

What is true is that whoever Lee is guarding is usually featured as soon as Lee steps on the court.

I have a real good memory, and I remember exactly 3 good defensive performances in Lee's career: 2 Vs. Yao Ming for less than a quarter, and Shaq for this 4th quarter. Of course this is the greatly diminished version of Shaq, not the real McCoy, but Lee played good D.

Of course anyone who watched the game saw that Shaq was actually double-teamed, with Lee fronting and Jeffries or someone else coming over to make sure they could not throw it over the top, daring the Heat to beat them from the perimeter, but good D from Lee anyway.

Lee is real good at rebounding and layups, pretty good at passing, his shooting and D is dreadful. His game is one-sided, just like every other Knick. His game tonight does not change that.

***

Question: Jeffries hit some 3's not too long ago, has his 3 point shooting improved? Is he a good 3 point shooter?

Curry had a multiple block game a few games ago, is he now a shot-blocker?

Anyway, King, I have a feeling that if I told you lee hasn't improved his 3-point game, you try to find a way to refute it by bringing up Curry or Balkman or something.

Etc.

P.S. Maybe Lee isn't the worst defensive player. It's a 2 horse race with Crawford.

oohah


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1/19/2008  10:43 PM
I guess I will listen to you you;re the one that said Frye was big time. Who guarded Ming and Shaq the last two times we played big men? In the second when Jamison was guarded by David what did he get? What did he score in the first?
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1/19/2008  10:49 PM
Posted by King1:

Holfresh your babbling gets very old I asked a question. You kill Lee last night and tonight he puts up numbers plays with emotion and didnt gripe at the res the whole night. Last night Jamnison kills Zach and Eddy the first half then Lee guarded him and he didnt score. You can dog Lee defense all you want it is better than Curry and Zach. Be critical of his shot, and just like I said last night when he get 30 minutes he wears people down and when did he get the big offensive rebound with about 30 seconds left.

Not true, Jamison was using Lee as well..There were instances where Jamison was knocking down threes and Lee didnt even bother to run out to him...

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1/19/2008  10:53 PM
OOhah answer these questions.
1. Name 3 good defensive games by Zach?
2. If Lee is so bad defensively why does a lot of great teams want to trade for him and no one will take the other big men?
3. Why did the Olympic team pick David to practice over Zach and any other Knick?
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1/19/2008  10:53 PM
Posted by King1:

I guess I will listen to you you;re the one that said Frye was big time. Who guarded Ming and Shaq the last two times we played big men? In the second when Jamison was guarded by David what did he get? What did he score in the first?

That is a helluva good argument there King. I guess you don't have anything to back up your statements so you will try to distract me with silliness.

I'm also the guy who said Lee should start since he was a rookie, but I'm probably wrong about that too. What do you think?

Come to think of it, you haven't said much about any knick-topics at all except that you want anyone who might steal Lee's minutes to be banished.

Your arguments don't reflect reality, so why not just say "I Love Lee" and be done with it? I understand and respect that.

When you start making up stuff like "Lee is better than Randolph at 'Anything'", or: "lee has hit more jumpers this year than all of last year", or : "lee always guards the other team's best big man", well, that just isn't true and there is no evidence to suggest that it is.

Please, tell me again how I was wrong about Frye. Because that makes your argument have merit.

oohah


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1/19/2008  10:59 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by King1:

If Lee is the worst defensive player on this team why does he always guard the best big when he is in the game?

The answer is Lee doesn't usually guard the best big man. That simply is not true.

What is true is that whoever Lee is guarding is usually featured as soon as Lee steps on the court.

I have a real good memory, and I remember exactly 3 good defensive performances in Lee's career: 2 Vs. Yao Ming for less than a quarter, and Shaq for this 4th quarter. Of course this is the greatly diminished version of Shaq, not the real McCoy, but Lee played good D.

Of course anyone who watched the game saw that Shaq was actually double-teamed, with Lee fronting and Jeffries or someone else coming over to make sure they could not throw it over the top, daring the Heat to beat them from the perimeter, but good D from Lee anyway.

Lee is real good at rebounding and layups, pretty good at passing, his shooting and D is dreadful. His game is one-sided, just like every other Knick. His game tonight does not change that.

***

Question: Jeffries hit some 3's not too long ago, has his 3 point shooting improved? Is he a good 3 point shooter?

Curry had a multiple block game a few games ago, is he now a shot-blocker?

Anyway, King, I have a feeling that if I told you lee hasn't improved his 3-point game, you try to find a way to refute it by bringing up Curry or Balkman or something.

Etc.

P.S. Maybe Lee isn't the worst defensive player. It's a 2 horse race with Crawford.

oohah

Jeffries use to hit 3's in Washington however he can't hit two's. So don't be so surprised if you see him knocking the 3 ball down.

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1/19/2008  11:06 PM
when did oohah turn hater?
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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1/19/2008  11:11 PM
Posted by oohah:


P.S. Maybe Lee isn't the worst defensive player. It's a 2 horse race with Crawford.

out of curiosity, why aren't zach and eddy in that race?

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1/19/2008  11:12 PM
Posted by King1:

OOhah answer these questions.
1. Name 3 good defensive games by Zach?
2. If Lee is so bad defensively why does a lot of great teams want to trade for him and no one will take the other big men?
3. Why did the Olympic team pick David to practice over Zach and any other Knick?

I don't have time to convince you of something that you refuse to believe, but here are some answers of at least equal depth to your questions.

1) It's hard to pick out 3 good defensive games from Randolph because while that are rare, he has already had 3 with the Knicks this season. He had 2 recently: Vs. the Pistons and when the Knicks beat the Bullets a few days ago. I don't think you could ever see it that way though. Also, he simply is better than Lee on D on a daily basis so there is no real comparison.
2) Because Lee is very good in relation to his contract. Give Lee Zach-Randolph money and see how easy he is to trade.
3) Were you aware that Frye was selected to play on the same Olympic practice team as Lee?

Yes, I understand you love Lee. By the way, why was Haslem toasting him so often tonight? Is Lee better than Haslem? Or Biedrins? Or Paul Milsapp? Or Chuck Hayes?

I don't think so.

Yes, I know, you love Lee becasue you have a personal relationship with him. Why should I even bother?

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1/19/2008  11:13 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by oohah:


P.S. Maybe Lee isn't the worst defensive player. It's a 2 horse race with Crawford.

out of curiosity, why aren't zach and eddy in that race?

Because while Lee and Crawford basically can't guard anybody, there are 3-4 players in the league that Randolph or Curry can guard.

oohah



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1/19/2008  11:17 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

when did oohah turn hater?

I never turned into anyone's extreme label. I'm objective. Even when it comes to david lee.

Meanwhile, while we gush over Lee, Randolph had 16 points, 14 rebounds, a block, and 2 steals.

Damn you Randolph you stat-whore loser! Don't you realize that you are using up Lee's playing time by producing? Stop playing well you sonofabitch!

oohah



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1/19/2008  11:19 PM
Also, he simply is better than Lee on D on a daily basis so there is no real comparison.

Sorry, I should have said: Randolph is not quite as bad as Lee on D on a daily basis.

oohah

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1/19/2008  11:21 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by oohah:


P.S. Maybe Lee isn't the worst defensive player. It's a 2 horse race with Crawford.

out of curiosity, why aren't zach and eddy in that race?

Because while Lee and Crawford basically can't guard anybody, there are 3-4 players in the league that Randolph or Curry can guard.

oohah

you realize that's not any less subjective than what king says. i don't see it that way at all.
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