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tkf
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Posted by TrueBlue:
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Posted by Anji:
Posted by tkf:
I see your point, but not with lee, he is one of the few guys I would pay to keep. Honestly guys like lee, who you don't have to draw plays for, who can rebound, adequate on defense, run the floor, finish above the rim, and pass are somewhat rare. I mean look at what guys like reggie evans are getting paid. You get rid of lee and you will have to pay almost twice to get a similar player on the open market. add a franchise talent to lee, balkman, nate and craw and you are on your way. It is a process, one that can't be fixed overnight, the blazers had guys like outlaw, added guys like webster, they are not franchise players, but they are players, then they got roy and everything is starting to come together. we can do the same. we just need to stop trading our damn picks.. Riping out every player on the team isn't feasible. I think people go over with the notion of rebuilding as getting rid of every player on the roster in the same season.......but when has that ever happened??? You added a couple of peices and go from there, you believe as many do that Lee is a piece worth keeping. I agree.
yea, I think people misunderstand the "blow it up" theory, or at least when I say it. When I say blow it up, I mean take out the players you feel are worth keeping and try to move the rest. In the knicks case, that would be a major overhaul, but to say, just move everyone is just not reasonable, and in the case of lee, to move him because you want no trace of the prior knick mess, then that makes no sense. In a case like this, keeping young, good, cheap talent is a way to start rebuilding, until you can land that franchise talent, and in the knicks case, that most likely will be in the draft..
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I find it intriguing how you feel the Wizards can make due without Arenas almost to the point that shouldn't re-sign him. A 25+ppg player, an All-Star, a Superstar, a clutch player, a big time playoff performer, overall a decent playmaker etc etc. All that's hard to come by you know? He wasn't healthy coming back to ball this season and it clearly showed. Now the Wiz have managed to fair(staying .500 or slightly better) well without him but what is the overall Climate of the Wizards?
Well they are a young high powered offensive team that if in the playoffs could do serious damage. If Cleveland can make it to the Finals couldn't the Wizards with a healthy Trio in which 2 of the 3 are improving players still yet to hit their primes? They are as close as they probably ever will be in the next 2 yrs of being contenders with that Trio in tact.
Now TKF I agree with the side of your argument, it's very risky to go All-In on a player like Arenas but he is the face of their franchise. All his teammates like him, he's great in the Washington community. Didn't Arenas adopt some kid with major problems, who he didn't know but happened to be a major fan of his? Is he's a sideshow personality, a little stuck on himself, yes but most of it is for ****s and giggles.
But your line of thinking with the Wiz and Arenas is the same reasoning I'm using with Lee. You could say Vice Versa but I'm trying to make a point about how us Knick Fans look at the present(here and now) instead of looking ahead. I bet if Lee got injured the rest of the yr it wouldn't affect this team that much either way. We'd remain a bad team with or without him. Lee's far from our whipping boy but let's not overrate the guy now. He plays for a losing team and doesn't do much currently to help us win, while playing 30min/gm. Once again I'm not opposed to keeping Lee and not opposed to letting him go either. If we could trade him and it positions us better 2yrs down the road, there should be no hesitation to do so. He can be replaced via drafting if we do things correctly.
Anyway things look different when you're judging other team's situations vs our own don't they TKF?
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-15-2008 10:23 AM] Actually off the court I think arenas is a great guy, but I don't base all of my assesments of a player on off the court deeds, I mean if that was the case, we all would love marbury... I do want "good" people on my team, but those things to have their place.. Now my point with arenas is that, on the court, at the PG position unless the wizards and arenas agree to move him to SG, arenas takes a lot away from his team at that position. I think his shot selection, reluctance to pass and move the ball, along with his now spotty defense cost his team. I rememember a game in GS when arenas was there, he was scolded by the head coach about his shot selection. the next game they played the knicks, arenas didn't take a shot in that first half almost, almost to the point of turning down good ones, again, I am not a fan of this guy on the court, although talented. Now look at the wizards, they are 20-16, better now through 36 games than they were last year with arenas, and they did this without replacing arenas with a guy with similar skills and no etan thomas... I think without arenas, guys like butler( who to me is the most underrated player in the NBA)Jamison and now stevenson(who before he came to the wizards had a breakout year in orlando) are not only able to step up, but play leading roles, something they all were not allowed to do with arenas dominating the ball. I think the wizards will be better without him, and eventually even better when they substitute arenas with a top flight legit PG like a TJ ford. So I am not saying to just cut arenas and you will be better, but replacing him with a good PG will make that team better, especially with the emergence of butler as a leader. Now comparing this to lee, I don't see it. Lee won't cost the knicks as much as arenas will cost the wizards, lee does not negatively affect the way his teamates play, And lee is the type of player you can add to any team, he will make them better and still produce without affecting anyone's game and without disrupting team chemistry. Guys like this are more valuable than the numbers they put up on a stat sheet. Can you name me many guys in the league like this? You say if we lose lee, our wins or loses won't change much? but how can you really judge such a thing on a bad team? lets say we lose lee and that makes us 4 games worse, (and believe me, we won't be better without lee!) which is very possible, well on a team that is headed to possibly 25 wins what is that 16% of our wins? I would say that makes a big difference... I am not saying lee is some superstar, but this guy plays the type of game that is hard to find in the league, he is not as good as lets say kirilenko or nocioni, but in ways just as effective, but he also seems leaps and bounds better than role players like reggie evans and more versatile than good role players like verajo. so how do you place value a guy like lee? This is not about overrating a player, but valuing a guy who can add a lot to a team without rocking the boat at all. Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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1/15/2008 11:33 AM