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NBADraft.net(1/1/08): Knicks select Eric Gordon #4
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1/4/2008  3:44 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Who cares? You know we're trading Lee and our unprotected pick for Ron Artest anyway!

And yet, if that's all we gave up, it would be considered one of Isiah's better trades, lol. Seriously, let's put an Isiah spin on it: Lee, Balkman, this year's unprotected, a 2010 unprotected first, a 2009 second rounder, a 2011 second rounder and $3 million cash for Baron Davis.
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1/4/2008  4:02 PM
We need Rose about as bad as any team has needed a player. IT needs to trade Curry for a 1st round pick and try to increase our odds of getting him. I think Chicago would give us an unprotected 1st rounder for Curry.
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1/4/2008  4:32 PM
Isn't it ironic that Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry would have given the Bulls

a) low post scoring
b) a cheaper version of Ben Wallace in Chandler with more offense
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/4/2008  4:34 PM
EG is a big time scorer, unselfish, great shooter and a good character person no way the knicks would pick him.
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1/4/2008  5:12 PM
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:

Isn't it ironic that Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry would have given the Bulls

a) low post scoring
b) a cheaper version of Ben Wallace in Chandler with more offense

Or they coulda held onto Elton Brand and drafted Pau Gasol or JRich or Joe Johnson... or... Zach Randolph!

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/4/2008  5:15 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

No because Eric Gordon = Ben Gordon and I do not want Ben Gordon on the Knicks with the #4 pick. We can get someone better. I say trade down gain assets and draft Budinger.

Isn't Eric Gordon 6'3 215.... Dwayne Wade is 6'4 216

Ben Gordon is like 6'2 190

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/4/2008  5:51 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

No because Eric Gordon = Ben Gordon and I do not want Ben Gordon on the Knicks with the #4 pick. We can get someone better. I say trade down gain assets and draft Budinger.

Isn't Eric Gordon 6'3 215.... Dwayne Wade is 6'4 216

Ben Gordon is like 6'2 190

If you look back at Ben Gordon when he was in UCONN then look at Eric Gordon now at Indiana, you can see that they have very similar games. They are both undersized 2 guards. Both have great jumpshots but do not have the passing skills that are usually required of a player of their height. Ben Gordon will never be a good point guard in the NBA. I am not saying Eric Gordon does not have the ability to develop into a good point guard, it is just everything that is being advertised about this player screams out he will have a Ben Gordon like career. Best case scenario he is a Monta Ellis clone but no D. Wade.
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1/4/2008  6:50 PM
Posted by King1:

EG is a big time scorer, unselfish, great shooter and a good character person no way the knicks would pick him.

King, I agree with everything you said here about Gordon. I am worried about him only being 6'3 though. He's not going to be able to play SG in the NBA at that height and who knows if you can convert him into a PG. I'm so tired of the Knicks acquiring comboguards.

Is this valid?
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1/4/2008  7:22 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
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Another name to keep an eye out on is DeVon Hardin. He may not be a great offensive center, but he can be a beast defensively and on the glass. He has some eyepopping athletic ability- I think he's the kind of player that will rocket up boards after the workouts.

Can you go more in depth? Has he added more polish? From what I remember he had an NBA body but not NBA skill... but I don't remember if I even watched him play last season, and didn't catch him this season yet.

He has a baby hook. Early in the season he was really pounding the glass. Haven't seen him recently, but that kind of size/athleticism usually gets you drafted very high. He should be able to immediately step in and make an impact on the boards. Then again he could be Stephen Hunter...

I agree he'll get drafted... just trying to figure out where though.

As for Paul, yes, he did a fantastic job of gettign his teammates involved. If he had the horses Williams and Feltons had, he would have made it to the elite eight or sweet sixteen no doubt.
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1/4/2008  11:25 PM
COmmander, If the Knicks get screwed and wind up with the 5th pick, who do you think they should draft? do you think they should draft Mayo (who I'm guessing would still be available)? From what I've seen of him he isn't that great, What position would he even play in the nba? pg or sg....
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1/5/2008  12:24 AM
Posted by SlimPack:

COmmander, If the Knicks get screwed and wind up with the 5th pick, who do you think they should draft? do you think they should draft Mayo (who I'm guessing would still be available)? From what I've seen of him he isn't that great, What position would he even play in the nba? pg or sg....

I mean, the Knicks have so many holes, you go after the best player available. David Lee is the closest thing you get to a keeper and he's a complimentary piece. So If someone from the top five slips, that's who I want. Having said that, if things work out the way they should, there are a few guys I would give heavy consideration to (in order):

(1) Blake Griffin - I just love his scouting reports... literally every word of from every scouting report (from a reputable source) I love. He's exactly the type of player this team needs. Take this excerpt from nbadraft.net:
A coach's son, Blake definitely has the mental game and winning attitude it takes to become a great player. His high school team is seeking its fourth straight state championship this year and has lost only a couple games the past three seasons... A fiery, emotional leader, the team undoubtedly goes as he goes... He has an almost mindless killer instinct and intensity level, giving 110% every time he steps foot on the court... Has incredibly intimidating size for an NBA small forward, but is probably going to be more comfortable playing in the post for the time being...

It's an old review, but I like what I've seen thus far. He's also an effing beast on the glass.

(2) Mayo - he's got polish and he's playing for a terrible coach. I actually think this experience is really going to humble him, which is going to be good on the next level. NExt time you watch him, pay attention to how he moves without the ball and how he doesn't really seem to force things. I love it, because this guy traveled with an entourage and wanted to be the basketball version of QB Matt Leinart. Rookies with immense talent and something to prove are usually a great recipe or success.

(3) Chase Budinger - I think he's had a better season than Mayo and I suppose he should be two on this list. I guess I'd rather go with the higher ceiling. Anyway, he does it all. He scores at an elite level, he rebounds and dishes some too. I'm pretty sure he'd be much higher on my list if Lute Olsen was actually coaching him this year (he's away with family issues). It's tough to say if Lute is good at finding great swingman or if his coaching contributes.

Honorable mentions: Nicolas Batum - I haven't seen him play because he's a French player, but I've heard good things from guys who actually watch Euro ball and trash all the hot prospects. Jerryd Bayless - he's a scoring point, so essentially his upside is Stephon Marbury or Gilbert Arenas (who is also an Arizona grad) and I don;t see the point of swapping Marbury for Marbury II; I will say he's going to be good though.

Out of the five names I listed, Arizona has two of them. January 31 at 10:30 they play USC, so three of my top Knicks prospects if they get shafted and get the fifth pick will be playing... so make sure you watch that game.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-05-2008 12:32 AM]
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1/5/2008  12:50 AM

I just realized I wrote this as if the Knicks fall out of the top five. I'm okay with Eric Gordon or Donte Greene if the Knicks are pick four or pick five RIGHT NOW. The thing about having a top five pick is the conference tournaments and NCAA Tournament are really where you figure out who has a legitimate chance to thrive in the NBA as opposed to who will be a serviceable rotation option.

In my opinion, it isn't so much about how far the player goes, but how he plays. Chris Paul didn't go far in 2005, but he played a masterful game against West Virginia. The reason Wake lost is because he fouled out. Similarly, Dwayne Wade had a hell of a tournament in 2003 and that's why Riley took him over Hinrich, who was projected to go before Wade.

I guess my point is take my analysis with a grain of salt and listen to what I say during and after the conference and NCAA tournaments, because that's when I start to back guys because that's where you see the intangibles.

We'll see there is Eric Gordon is more Ben Gordon or more Dwayne Wade then, or if Donte Greene is more Rashard Lewis or just an improved Demetris Nichols (another tall, sharpshooter from Syracuse we all know).
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NBADraft.net(1/1/08): Knicks select Eric Gordon #4

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