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bitty41
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1/4/2008  1:40 PM
Posted by VDesai:

The guy who's looking like a good VP candidate is Bill Richardson. As a latino though, would it be pushing too much with a Obama/Richardson ticket?

Richardson has experience as the former US ambassador the UN. He would help answer for those who question Obama's foreign policy experience.

Vdesai,

Are you looking for a guranteed Repubg victory?

In all seriousness Richardson has the most "experience" from being a Ambassador, Gov, Congressman, and acting as the Secretary for Department of Energy the guy's done everything just think he's a bit weak on issues and hasn't done a particular good job of being a staunch on his agenda and how he plans to implement it.

For now I will hold off on my full-disclosure of the candidate who has my full support.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 01-04-2008 3:25 PM]
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1/4/2008  2:11 PM
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by bitty41:

America doesn't need another dynasty/power hungary family we need some change and someone that isn't going to maintain the status quo.

Now if only we could work out a Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama ticket

That is the ticket I hope develops - Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama. I like both candidates and think that they will be good leaders for this country. I would prefer Obama as president. I think he will do a good job of restoring America's credibility in the world and I trust him to do what's best for all americans and not just the top 10% like the Bush regime.

You really think Obama would pick Edwards to be his running mate? I remember the 2004 election when Edwards basically stuck it out in the primaries to get the nod as the VP on the ticket and it looks like he is doing something similar here - but remember he was on a losing national ticket. Personally after his speech last night my opinion of Edwards has changed, I like him a lot more than I used to. But being on a losing ticket could hurt him...

It would be an interesting ticket though.

I think Edwards has alot of appeal to the undecided voters and some republicans. He is solid in the south and has a strong message. Obama could do worse as far as a VP running mate. I don't think Edwards being on the losing ticket last time will hurt him much this time around.
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1/4/2008  2:49 PM
Posted by VDesai:

The guy who's looking like a good VP candidate is Bill Richardson. As a latino though, would it be pushing too much with a Obama/Richardson ticket?

Richardson has experience as the former US ambassador the UN. He would help answer for those who question Obama's foreign policy experience.
I was going to say the exact same thing. Joe Biden would also help on the experience issue and I think he's a much better speaker than Richardson is. But Biden is a career Washington politician. So choosing him would be inconsistent with Obama's "change" message.
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1/4/2008  2:51 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by VDesai:

The guy who's looking like a good VP candidate is Bill Richardson. As a latino though, would it be pushing too much with a Obama/Richardson ticket?

Richardson has experience as the former US ambassador the UN. He would help answer for those who question Obama's foreign policy experience.

Vdesai,

Are you looking for a guranteed Repubg victory?

In all seriousness Richardson has the most "experience" from being a Ambassador, Gov, Congressman, and acting as the Secretary for Department of Energy the guy's done everything just think he's a bit weak on issues and has done a particular good job of being a staunch on his agenda and plans.

For now I will hold off on my full-disclosure of the candidate who has my full support.
I don't get it. Why would that guarantee a Republican victory? And on what issues is Richardson "a bit weak"?

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1/4/2008  3:37 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:

The guy who's looking like a good VP candidate is Bill Richardson. As a latino though, would it be pushing too much with a Obama/Richardson ticket?

Richardson has experience as the former US ambassador the UN. He would help answer for those who question Obama's foreign policy experience.
I was going to say the exact same thing. Joe Biden would also help on the experience issue and I think he's a much better speaker than Richardson is. But Biden is a career Washington politician. So choosing him would be inconsistent with Obama's "change" message.

I think Biden would be a mistake - like you said he is a career Washington guy - and personally, he seems a little slimy to me (like most politicians).

The more I think about it the more I like the Obama/Edwards ticket - Edwards will have to do a better job in the VP debate though. Chaney ate him for breakfast in 2004 and that seemed to change the tide of the election. I do believe Obama is 1000X the candidate Kerry was though and will present well on the national stage. Hopefully Clinton wont eclipse him in the next few primaries because this guy could really do something special if he wins the party ticket.

The two problems with Edwards are: He does nothing to solve Obama's experience gap and he was on the Kerry ticket last time around.

I do think those two issues can be overcome but I would like to see other options besides whats out there right now before locking in to a solid VP choice. Besides, there are still quite a few primaries to go.

[Edited by - oasisbu on 01-04-2008 3:40 PM]
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1/4/2008  4:44 PM
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:

The guy who's looking like a good VP candidate is Bill Richardson. As a latino though, would it be pushing too much with a Obama/Richardson ticket?

Richardson has experience as the former US ambassador the UN. He would help answer for those who question Obama's foreign policy experience.
I was going to say the exact same thing. Joe Biden would also help on the experience issue and I think he's a much better speaker than Richardson is. But Biden is a career Washington politician. So choosing him would be inconsistent with Obama's "change" message.

I think Biden would be a mistake - like you said he is a career Washington guy - and personally, he seems a little slimy to me (like most politicians).

The more I think about it the more I like the Obama/Edwards ticket - Edwards will have to do a better job in the VP debate though. Chaney ate him for breakfast in 2004 and that seemed to change the tide of the election. I do believe Obama is 1000X the candidate Kerry was though and will present well on the national stage. Hopefully Clinton wont eclipse him in the next few primaries because this guy could really do something special if he wins the party ticket.

The two problems with Edwards are: He does nothing to solve Obama's experience gap and he was on the Kerry ticket last time around.

I do think those two issues can be overcome but I would like to see other options besides whats out there right now before locking in to a solid VP choice. Besides, there are still quite a few primaries to go.

[Edited by - oasisbu on 01-04-2008 3:40 PM]
The last thing Obama needs is a one-term senator. That's like intentionally accentuating your biggest perceived weakness (low experience). After being the VP candidate, Edwards was the natural nominee of the party. He had two years to build support in Iowa. And he practically lived in Iowa. Yesterday's outcome is a disaster for him and likely the end of his political career.
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1/4/2008  4:58 PM
Obama's post Iowa speech was inspiring as hell. I'd love to see him win.

Hillary's just a spinster to me. She'd be great on someone's staff, but not as a commander and chief.

Obama would do more to restore America's standing in the world than any of the other options. He represents what America is supposed to be with a mother from Kansas and a father from Kenya.
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1/4/2008  10:00 PM
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Posted by bitty41:

America doesn't need another dynasty/power hungary family we need some change and someone that isn't going to maintain the status quo.

Now if only we could work out a Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama ticket
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1/4/2008  10:03 PM
Obama is alot more likeable than those before him for sure. When I was in college I respected Alan Keyes...thought he was a real bright guy, but then I heard him speak on the radio..the guy is smart for sure but really arrogant.
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by PresIke:

Let's put it this way...

A black man just won in a state that is 95% white(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/19000.html). Apparently 93% of voters in the caucus identified as white, according to CNN, just now.

Whether he is a Democrat or not is important, but the common logic would dictate that outside of states with significant urban populations, and more liberal politics, if you are black either you are a Republican or one who touts your Christian beliefs everywhere you go. Otherwise you can't win.

Obama is not only black, but of Muslim lineage, although he is a practicing Christian.

This is somewhat unprecedented I think, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong, and my own view about the common logic may be disputed.

Has there ever been a black candidate like Obama? There have only been a handful to have ever ran- off the type of my head Shirley Chisolm, Jesse Jackson and Alan Keyes. Chisolm was very accomplished, but as a black female, unfortunately had more than one thing working against her and ran back in the early 70's which was probably not a time when America was "ready." Jess Jackson, for all his merits or demerits, has always been a divisive figure. Keyes is way outside of the mainstream and a social conservative. Perhaps I'm missing someone, as I'm probably going out of my element here.

Obama is probably the first black candidate to truly have mainstream appeal and he couldn't come at a better time. Lots of disillusionment and lots of people looking for a new face that's not really part of the old political machine. It helps that he's an extremely charismatic, well-educated young guy spreading an idealist message.

Yeah, I was referring to Keyes, Jackson in '88 for a period, and recent well known black politicians like Ford in Tennessee. I neglected Chislom, and I can also think of Barbara Jordan who is regarded as a legendary public speaker.

Obama could certainly indicate a change, and the time may be right. Interesting that SC referenced Reagan, and I hadn't really thought about this until reading that and then hearing some talk on Charlie Rose, about how Obama represents redemption and hope for America in more ways than the other candidates, which is considered a major reason for Reagan winning in 1980.

To me this is a very interesting thing to keep in mind over time.

The naysayers from Time and Newsweek are in full bloom on Charlie Rose saying that his "feel good" campaign can't last, and when he has to address "the issues" he may fall. One gentlemen disagreed, by saying that Obama has not shown signs of weaknesses about addressing issues, and is a strong speaker, so it may be other factors that he will have to face to last all the way through.
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1/4/2008  11:30 PM
Obama is going to win the democratic party then he will ASK Edwards to join him, forming an Obama/Edwards ticket to the White House.

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1/5/2008  7:53 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Obama's post Iowa speech was inspiring as hell. I'd love to see him win.

Hillary's just a spinster to me. She'd be great on someone's staff, but not as a commander and chief.

Obama would do more to restore America's standing in the world than any of the other options. He represents what America is supposed to be with a mother from Kansas and a father from Kenya.

Every speech he makes is inspirational. You don't get that from any of the candidates. The dude reaks of honesty and sincerity. Issue wise the dude is on point. Sorry for John Edwards man......he had to run against obama.........its like Ewing in the Jordan years......
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1/5/2008  8:38 AM
Don't follow politics too much. I know Edward's stance on free trade. What's Obama's?
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I have not been following things as closely as I would like to and I am still not sure about Obama's positions on a few things. But I completely agree that he is the only hope to get some real change. We have also seen exactly what experienced politicians can give us over the last several years, enough is enough.

As for the VP, my choice would be Bill Richardson (actually he would be my choice for the Prez as well). He seems to be a square shooter and a capable administrator. I am not sure I followed he reasoning of someone who posted Obama/Richardson is exacly the wrong choice etc. The only thing that can guarantee republican victories is if those religious whackjobs come out en masse and vote again. But something tells me there will be enough interest in this elecion to be able to overcome even that effect.
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1/5/2008  12:39 PM
From reading his speeches which were recently pointed out to me by a friend, Obama seems like a good candidate. He is very center, so its a bit ironic that he gets so much left wing support (but when were those people ever actually aware of facts).

By the way Eny, about Dinkins, guy kept the police out of the crown heights during the riots so Jews had to basically defend themselves and form a paramilitary unit, the JDL, same way Koreans had to defend themselves back in LA. So I don't know how you can call him a good mayor if he basically took a side in a mini civil war.
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Posted by simrud:

From reading his speeches which were recently pointed out to me by a friend, Obama seems like a good candidate. He is very center, so its a bit ironic that he gets so much left wing support (but when were those people ever actually aware of facts).

By the way Eny, about Dinkins, guy kept the police out of the crown heights during the riots so Jews had to basically defend themselves and form a paramilitary unit, the JDL, same way Koreans had to defend themselves back in LA. So I don't know how you can call him a good mayor if he basically took a side in a mini civil war.

Why you went there? I mentioned Dinkins cuz of how bad Koch was. Dinkins got the aftermath of everything Koch did. That's all.
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Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by EnySpree:

Right wing this......

Obama is gonna win cuz he is a good, smart and approachable. When he speaks......its hard not to like him. He's been saying the right things and relating to everyone. His experience means nothing cuz nobody can prepare for being president. He's a pretty remarkable person if you ask me. Winning Iowa is a shocker. This will be a race for the history books.

That's the point I was trying to make before... Obama's appeal transcends politics. He's a unifying figure and being honest about things such as cocaine abuse and being troubled as a young adult endeared himself to the masses.

I believe mentioning history would be detrimental to his candidacy because that suggests ulterior motives... the focus should be on the fact he's the right man in the Democratic party because he's the exact opposite of everything the country hates about the current administration.

I got your message Supreme. Thanks and I apologize also. Don't worry about it. Let's just hope for the best, whoever captures the nomination. LOL
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1/5/2008  2:41 PM
Obama: Young, energetic, smart, well educated, appealing, charismatic, spreading a good message of hope and change, but..............virtually no hard EXPERIENCE! (see article below)

How can I vote for someone who's a one term Senator and who has no record of strong leadership skills? He's a good talker, but if you take away the smooth exterior, what do we see in experience? And I don't mean local or state experience. I mean world experience!

Am I willing to vote for someone who will have to spend his presidency 'learning' about world politics, when we have a few qualified people already who have that experience, not to mention HIllary already having spent 8 years in the white house? Hasn't Hillary already proven that she tried to impliment 'universal health care for everyone years ago'? I think this is a fair question.

It's not going to be easy for either one of them, whichever one gets nominated. We have to keep in mind also that someone like Huckabee has a real possibility of being voted in as well. Don't take him for granted! Don't take the religious right for granted either. No one thought it was possible to put bush back' into the white house again, but there it was, as plain as day. The only difference this time, with the religious right is, Huckabee is a proven jesus guy. This is gonna be a very tight race all way round.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/700499,CST-NWS-Obama-law17.article
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1/5/2008  4:12 PM
Experience is overrated in almost all phases of life IMO. It matters a little, but it's probably not among the ten most relevant determinants of outcomes in most areas of life once you get past a bare minimal level of experience.
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1/5/2008  4:20 PM
auh, president?

Wow! they put doppy in the white house and you see what happens.

Guess experience, let alone capability is overrated.

Amazing

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-05-2008 4:37 PM]
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Posted by 4949:

auh, president?

Wow! they put doppy in the white house and you see what happens.

Guess experience, let alone capability is overrated.

Amazing

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-05-2008 4:37 PM]
I don't get any of that. What's Doppy? "Capability" certainly isn't overrated...I don't know where you got that one from
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