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BlueSeats
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Oh Brother. Papabear, you try to make it seem like everyone else is the sick one for posting with you on the holidays. But here we see that on christmas day you are the one repeatedly telling me to "fu3k myself" and calling me a liar for asking you to explain your views: http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=24875 Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Papa, thanks for posting this article.
Now please remind us how in your mind anyone who supported the cause of this high achieving black woman is a racist.
Papabear Says
Blueseats You can Kiss my fu3king ass. I said before that race thing is over. I don't view your posts I don't respond to your posts just because of this. Its seems like you are the problem always bringing up race when Andrew even ask you to back off.Just don't respond to my posts and I will continue not responding to yours. You are about to start something and I won't back down till the owners of this forum see what you are trying to do and they step in. It's your call. Go get a fu3king life because you don't have one.
Papabear
Similar was done further up this thread on New Years eve.
Meanwhile it's you who tell lies. For instance, you say that I was kicked off another board which is untrue. What board do you think that was? The only other boards I posted on where basketballboards.net (as son of oakley) and realgm (as blue seats). Both accounts are still active (I was even invited to moderate the bbb.net board), I just post here instead.
You also said that Andrew gave me a warning when it was actually you. Here we see you reprimanded by both killa and Andrew:
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Papabear, racism typically does start in the home, you are correct about that. But you HAVE to stop calling people racist without proof. YOu really have to stop it, its irresponsible and amounts to an unwarranted personal attack. Really, cool down. You could only be calling him racist if you are reading what he writes in the most biased slanted way. He was not even being sarcastic in his post. You have to chaeck yourself, you are really reaching.
Papabear, please do listen to what Killa has posted here.
And further up that thread we see you implying that for what he said Killa is a hater. Always oblivious to who you are talking to, what they are saying, and in what context:
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BlueSeats:
people can be as crass as they want at home and social settings but in the corporate environment normal business protocol should be the rule. Otherwise you get white people using the terms toward blacks saying, "well she said it" (similar to the Imus situation, IMO), or visitors and clients may be exposed to the language and take offense (if not decide it's too much of an animal house to do business with, and all forms of propriety may break down and you have a mess on your hands.
But at home, at the gym, the salon, etc, I suppose you can say as much as you want until you get your azz handed to you.
Papabear Says
Blueseats you are very troubling, with your sarcastic words and comments. Ass hole maybe you don't understand but racism starts in the home, and it manifest in the beauty salons and barber shops. For some reason I think that you already knew that. You ain't stupid, but if anyone truly reads between your lines they can see that you are a racist. I'm calling you out on it again.. So it's OK for whites or others to use the word nigga bitch and any other racial slur just as long as you are at home. Thats what you said.
Papabear
Papabear
Papabear, racism typically does start in the home, you are correct about that. But you HAVE to stop calling people racist without proof. YOu really have to stop it, its irresponsible and amounts to an unwarranted personal attack. Really, cool down. You could only be calling him racist if you are reading what he writes in the most biased slanted way. He was not even being sarcastic in his post. You have to chaeck yourself, you are really reaching.
Papabear Says
He said what he said and he believes what he said. Yes you can study someone words and how they critisize people. Hey if Marbs and Zeke left the Knicks today I would still be a Knicks fan rooting for them. You guys will still be bitching and complaining about the team. I don't beleive that you are true Knicks fans or even know what the word means.
Papabear
This is the problem, Papa never knows who or what the rest of us are talking about, then he goes off recklessly.
In this nest thread you called me a racist many times in many posts such that I had to request the removal of your posts, which Martin granted. You probably should have been banned right then. Since your posts were erased I obviously can't quote them:
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=23334&page=6
Posted by martin:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Martin, Andrew, is there anyway for you guys to edit or remove papabear's offensive posts? I don't mind daily posters judging me on the content of my posts, but some people skim read, or perhaps someday you'll have a search function and people will search under "racist", and I don't want to be judged by the number of times my name comes up because papa continuously acted the fool.
fair request.
As we go through I'd also like another point to be noticed. Elsewhere you said you never started things, you were always attacked first. That is a lie. Notice in every instance it's been you who pounced on me when I wasn't even talking to you. Even after your personal attacks I never even replied angrily. It just shows how off-base you've been on everything.
Below we see Papa calling one of the fairest and least biased posters on this board, NewYorkNewYork, a "hatter". The he continues on to call TrueBlue a racist or Uncle Tom. It's just one slur after another:http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=23185&page=4
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
If Isiah Thomas was winning as much as Bill Belichick how many people would want him fired over his so called racist or sexist comments. How many media articles would come out making Isiah the victim & Miss Saunders as the bad person. Not that Isiah is a victim, but thats just the reality. If Isiah won like that he wouldn't be such an easy target to go after. As someone who wins like that would build up many many supporters. But Isiah hasn't been successful in terms of wins in NY so he is an easy targer to pile up on. Things like this case are allways seem a lot worse when you aren't successful, and allways not as bad when you are.
The reality of this world is that there is and will allways be racism, sexism, racial profiling, sterotyping. Though it isn't bad as it once was, but no way did it dissappear.
Do you believe everything would be the same if Saunders was white? Or if Isiah was white? Or if both of them were white?
That said going back to the top. I don't feel this case is about racism or sexism. It doesn't seem like Isiah goes around calling all black women bitches (Or maybe he does). And Its not like he states general statments about black women or women in general being bitches. He seemed to just not like Saunders, and called her a bitch. Though its still debatable if he really did.
I don't really want to comment to much on this subject because nobody outside of Saunders & Isiah, will know the whole truth. But nothing in this case makes me believe that Saunders should get 10mil or that Isiah Thomas should be fired. Though it would be understandable if Isiah got fired because of the lack of wins when compared with the amount of money he has spent. Plus the circus atmosphere which I agree needs to go.
Papabear says
If my mind is correct the Knicks haven't won a championship since the early 70s and Zeke was just a kid. Yea we had runs but no championship. Out of all the presidents and coaches of the knicks during that time we couldn't put 2 superstars or stars together in the Mecca of basketball to bring us a championship. Bernard King was the closest thing to a superstar weve had. Ewing was a great player but know one was able to surround him with the right pieces. I have to agree with some of the other forums about this forum when they say you guys over here are nothing but negetive haters and it's all geared at Zeke and Marbs. I kinda agree with Charles Barkley who said no superstars really want to come to New York especially the way you guys treated Ewing. Go back to the forum right before Ewing got traded and you chased him out of town. No stars wants to come to New York. It's the way you treat people. Always negitive things. So when Zeke and Marbs are gone do you really think that you will get a Dunkin, or King James, or Kobe?? Forget about it!!! They ain't comin and I can't blame them.
So you guys just keep on hatten. You were talken about trading for The Jazz Klinko (I guess thats his name) He ain't comin to the Knicks. We get guys like Spreewill the choker, and Zach the gang banger.
and you are still complaining. Go and become a Celtics fan. You will make a better fit. Go talk about KG.
Papabear
[Edited by - Papabear on 09-24-2007 12:44 AM]
You can't be taken seriously on this subject anymore. How many times are you going to grace us with threatening to abandon the subject?
Papabear
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Joined: 03-31-2007
Member: #1408
09-23-2007 02:01 AM
Papabear Says
codeunknown : Just forget about it. I'm not wasting no more time with you Zeke Hatters. I'm not going to wast my time with people who don't know the truth about race problem in America. I can't change your mind and you can't change mine. So with that being said. I'm going to bed.
Papabear
Papabear
Posts: 124
Joined: 03-30-2007
Member: #1408
09-23-2007 9:05 PM
Papabear Says
You know I just won't say anything. The stinch of hate for Marbs is so thick here that I would be wasting my words. You guys would rather see Marbs loose a game then win. You would have no problem with Marbs leaving today and we get nothing in return.
Papabear
Papabear
Posts: 124
Joined: 03-31-2007
Member: #1408
09-23-2007 9:16 PM
Papabear Says
I will not discuss again the Zeke trial again on the forum until the trial is over or unless one of you dudes say something so out of wak that I can't bite my toung.
Papabear
If we're such haters here then don't post on this board and stay on the other ones and confess your Love for I SAY UGH and Marbury. The Backpedaling was lovely in that last post.
Papabear Says
Hey Hey Papabear haven't gone anywhere and I damn sure ain't back pedaling. It's just hatters like you don't get it just like your Uncle Bill O'Rielly of Fox news. O'Rielly is in controversy again by saying HE WENT TO SYLVIA'S RESTURANT IN NEW YORK AND HE WAS SHOCKED THAT EVERYONE WAS SITTING DOWN AND HAVING DINNER AND THERE WAS NO TROUBLE NO WILD DRINKING OR TRUBLE HE WAS SUPRISED. HE ALSO SAID BLACKS ARE STARTING TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES AN GET AN EDUCATION!!! True Blue you remind me of Bill O'Rielly. You haven't a clue of what goes on in the minds of black people. We have a Disconnect we don't think alike and you are in denial. You hate the fact that Zeke is his own man and he is BLACK. The truth is comming out in this trial now. I KNOW THAT YOU WANT ME OUT OF THIS FORUM BUT GUESS WHAT??? I'VE GOT TO KEEP SPEAKING OUT ON ASS HOLES LIKE YOU. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE AND IF YOU ARE BLACK YOU'RE AN UNCLE TOM.
Papabear In da house Long live Zeke and Marbs.
Shortly after that he goes for Bobby:
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by BlueSeats:
This is after all a sexual harassment case, not a race crime case, so why did Isiah bring race into the equation? I have to figure it's a subterfuge to confuse the issue. How much of the population's opinion can he dispose of through such manuevering?
surely zeke's off the wall comments may be just the option for dismissal.....zeke's option
"what isiah said makes him worse than imus" ......did sharpton and jackson ask dolan for zeke to resign ?
Papabear Says
Bobby go get a life!!! I know why you loved Imus. Because all the years he got away with those racial jokes that you was probably laughing about with trueblue. Yes all those years and he got canned. You try to compare Zeke to Imus who was race joking on the air for over 20 years. He was warned over and over again. When Imus got busted who did he run to ??? The Rev. Al Sharpton he ran to to try to beg for forgiveness and for Sharptons help. Sharpton put Imus under the Bus. Ha Ha Ha
Right now Zeke is relaxing maybe having a drink with Dolan. Laughing at little people like you. I know you guys want to cry because Ms Brown's case is falling apart. I hope that her lawyers aren't defending Ms Brown on a percentage bassis. If so, they are starting to cry just like you guys are doing because Zeke is here to stay for the next 5 year's!! Can you dig it!!
Papabear (stronger than ever)
WHat was Bobby's response?
Posted by Bobby:
calm down yogi. i hope you are right.....zeke and dolan having drinks laughing at little people like me. all im saying is zeke put his foot in his mouth, and it would not suprise me if dolan said adios.
btw......i want zeke to stay
And lastly, papa interrupts a seriously considered conversation between killa and myself to call me a racist thinking I'm TrueBlue, or vice versa. Once again he's not following the conversation and doesn't even know who he's talking to:
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BlueSeats:
killa, your post is lengthy and unfortunately a bit dense, in that you quote my post in it's entirety without breaking it into the smaller components you choose to debate. At points I don't get the context of your comments, like where you speak very defensively even though you were never named or quoted in my post. This leaves me feeling the need to go back and reread all your old posts in this thread in order to address your concerns relative to mine, and frankly I'm not that motivated.
For now I will address two issues you posed to me with questions:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Also, I am here arguing with someone about the influence that a black man has on black kids, and what the black community ought to do, and when I want to know if he is white or not-black that seems inappropriate to you? If so I have 2 questions:
1. Should the fact that I was a black kid, have black kids, live in a black neighborhood, have taught black kids for 10 years, and wrote my thesis about black kids, make my thoughts on black children a little more relevant than someone without such knowledge? I mean does that matter at all in evaluating my opinion on the topic?
2. How does an average white man come to understand in a meaningful way, who or what influences black kids? In other words, what is X non-black person basing their view of the black community on? Experience, academics, media? What? I think these are valid questions.
Well we don't know the background or experience with blacks of the person you were in conversation with, so why come at it with the assumption it's too little or irrelevant, and that he should therefore "trust you on it"? Even if he isn't black himself he might have black relatives, friends, work associates, he might live or work in black communities, or maybe his intuition is just pretty good in such matters.
Furthermore, you, who've gone to great lengths to establish your deep rooted blackness tell me:
"I know where white people are coming from on this."
Why, were you white when you wrote that?
I'm jesting here to make a point which is that NEITHER of you are qualified to speak for an entire race of children, yet you feel entitled to do so for black children while attempting to tune out another's reasonable speculation that a HOF PG would have some degree of influence among kids. Even if they're unaware of Isiah, their teachers and parents probably are not, and such is how much opinion is disseminated.
Furthermore, if someone approached you in similarly and seriously told you that because you speak of yourself as black you can have no idea "where white people are coming from on this," or any other issue involving whites, I'd consider it disrespectful and blustering. I think your humanness, worldliness, intelligence and intuition are sufficient to carry you through this and most other conversations, and I hold code in equal regard... even IF he less than black.
Posted by Killa4luv:
But, if you and others are truly concerned about double standards in our society, why not approach some things that sysematicallty harm millions of people instead of a high profile case about 1 woman, whose claims have not even been verified yet? Isnt systematic abuse more important than this one case?
For example:
How many Americans do you figure have even heard, for example, that black youth arrested for drug possession for the first time are incarcerated at a rate that is forty-eight times greater than the rate for white youth, even when all other factors surrounding the crime are identical (4)?
How many have heard that persons with "white sounding names," according to a massive national study, are fifty percent more likely to be called back for a job interview than those with "black sounding" names, even when all other credentials are the same (5)?
How many know that white men with a criminal record are slightly more likely to be called back for a job interview than black men without one, even when the men are equally qualified, and present themselves to potential employers in an identical fashion (6)?
How many have heard that according to the Justice Department, Black and Latino males are three times more likely than white males to have their vehicles stopped and searched by police, even though white males are over four times more likely to have illegal contraband in our cars on the occasions when we are searched (7)?
How many are aware that black and Latino students are about half as likely as whites to be placed in advanced or honors classes in school, and twice as likely to be placed in remedial classes? Or that even when test scores and prior performance would justify higher placement, students of color are far less likely to be placed in honors classes (8)? Or that students of color are 2-3 times more likely than whites to be suspended or expelled from school, even though rates of serious school rule infractions do not differ to any significant degree between racial groups (9)?
killa, we've been there before. I always encourage that if you want to discuss such topics to present them appropriately and I think you'll find many people receptive and sympathetic towards them. What I find difficult is the way they are trumpeted out every time we discuss the mis-doings of a black person, or as evidence that a white entertainer is surely racist, or that white posters are racist whether they know it or not, etc. They've been used to try to prove so many things so many times that it's hard to keep up with their point. If your point is that life is harder for the average black than the average white then I agree. But that still doesn't prove Imus is racist, or Isiah did not prey on her gender in creating a hostile work environment for Anucha, any more than, say, a white poster sharing with us that they have many white friends who've been mugged or raped by blacks. Your facts and theirs may both be truths, but their context is inappropriate, if not somewhat manipulative, I'm sorry to say.
I take it your point is that if any of us really wanted justice we'd tackle these larger issues routinely, as I take it you try to do. There's certainly some validity to that, but we need to maintain digestible portions or things become unwieldy. For instance, I could throw the same charge at you and say if you really cared about justice you'd defend women, gays, immigrants, Jews, Arabs, etc, with equal vigor as you do blacks, and since you don't you're a fraud. However, I trust you would if you could, but you know it would be cumbersome to do so at every occasion, an thus it's better to stick to the topic at hand. I'd like to believe you'd extend the same trust to a white.
I don't mean to sidestep or any other issues you've raised, but as I said, I found their presentation a bit too dense at the moment. If you feel they are worth discussing I invite you to present them again.
Papabear Says
Trueblue I'm calling you out. You are a racist and you are one of the worst kinds. You totally ignore black issues. Little boy blue you know nothing about blacks and now you are babbleing about Jews and gays. I also caught your little insecurity blanket. When someone disagrees with your point of view you say things like (unfortunately a bit dense) or (present them approiotly) or some dum ass word.
Your racisim hid behind your words in a slick but phony way.I really don't beleive that you are a Knicks fan. You got a lot of green in you like boston. Poor little boy blue.
Papabear
So, we see that Papa calls people racists, "hatters", fake fans, etc, with no regard for their history here or the conversations at hand. He wrongly calls me a liar when it's he who spits out such falsehoods as that it's he who's always the first attacked, or that Andrew reprimanded me and not him, or that I've been kicked off other boards. The unfortunate truth is that papa just doesn't know what people are talking about half the time, he then gets loose lipped and reckless in response, and then doesn't remember what transpired. In other posts he's even suggested he never called anyone a racist. Perhaps papa drinks his syrup straight?
Papabear, it was never my intention to chase you from this board. It was my intention to make you a poster worthy of attention beyond your gimmicks of "papabear says" and "you guys are racist/hatters/fakefans" etc. You've offered very little Knicks content here, most of your posts have been flame bait rhetoric, and little more, until you started talking like a "hatter". Now you sound like those you flamed.
I've presented you with multiple opportunities for you to say something like, "I misjudged you guys, and I was reckless in my anger" which would have cleaned up your mess and put it behind you. But instead you've just exacerbated the situation with bad language and further false and irresponsible accusations.
Wherever you end up, perhaps this time around you'll be a little more careful in how you read and how you respond.
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