Posted by bitty41:

Wait tell me your not serious? It would definetly make Jersey significantly better especially Z-bo playing with Kidd but Vince Carter there is not a more gutless player in the league.

vince carter is 1/2 man 1/2 woman.

but we have absolutely no guards on our roster outside of crawford.

this lets curry go back to being the main guy in the post (making him better).
this lets david lee start at pf (where we won't lose any rebounding #'s).
this gives us 2 guards that can score and drive (opening the floor up).

both teams benefit from this trade.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Curry and Randolf both have worth and it doesn't matter if Randolph has a big contract because if you're a young talented big, then people are gonna take you and they are gonna try and make you into what you want to be.

And with Curry's potential to be dominant, people will take a chance on him. He's still young too. Maybe people wont give up a lot for Curry and Randolph, but they'll take a risk.

Same with Crawford, but his value is a little less since he's a scoring guard, and those are a dime in a dozen. People will still take him though. Just not for a lot. Maybe an expiring contract or maybe a lotto protected pick.

Lee is absolutely tradeable. We all love him, but he's a role player. He's got the most worth though. We just better not starphuck for him. Like, by trading him in a Shaq trade or something like that.

Do you think Francis and Frye was good value for a talented big? Isn't Kwame and a low first about as equivalent? You think he'll fetch more than that when his value has already been set? He's done nothing to increase it here but has showed PDX's gm acumen was dead on in ridding him. And who took Randolph off the Blazers hands?

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by bitty41:

Wait tell me your not serious? It would definetly make Jersey significantly better especially Z-bo playing with Kidd but Vince Carter there is not a more gutless player in the league.

vince carter is 1/2 man 1/2 woman.

but we have absolutely no guards on our roster outside of crawford.

this lets curry go back to being the main guy in the post (making him better).
this lets david lee start at pf (where we won't lose any rebounding #'s).
this gives us 2 guards that can score and drive (opening the floor up).

both teams benefit from this trade.

First off you just made a very insulting comment about woman. Secondly Wince best days have passed him but he still jacks up 25fts with no conscience. Thirdly if were going to get any of their guards I would go with your favorite Richard Jefferson.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by bitty41:

Wait tell me your not serious? It would definetly make Jersey significantly better especially Z-bo playing with Kidd but Vince Carter there is not a more gutless player in the league.

vince carter is 1/2 man 1/2 woman.

but we have absolutely no guards on our roster outside of crawford.

this lets curry go back to being the main guy in the post (making him better).
this lets david lee start at pf (where we won't lose any rebounding #'s).
this gives us 2 guards that can score and drive (opening the floor up).

both teams benefit from this trade.

First off you just made a very insulting comment about woman. Secondly Wince best days have passed him but he still jacks up 25fts with no conscience. Thirdly if were going to get any of their guards I would go with your favorite Richard Jefferson.

you can't get jefferson. that's why i didn't suggest it.

vince for zach is a deal that's totally realistic and as fair a trade you can make in this league.

vince sucks. but this move balances out both teams.

and he really is half woman. no grown ass man wears a headband like that...it's his extra "y" chromosome he has floating around in his dna. plus he likes to dance with dudes.



[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-26-2007 1:16 PM]

Posted by JaydeeNYC:

Posted by TrueBlue:


So how do we measure Zach's worth? And you must not have been watching very closely because the Blazers were missing Aldidge 6gms out of the 11gm win streak. Snickerdoodle started for him in all of those games except 1. Bargnani has practically been a bust all yr and Toronto had reeled off a few wins before playing them.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-26-2007 12:00 PM]

How do we measure Zach's worth? I told you by surrounding him with a better team and a good coach; furthermore getting Zach to buy into passing the rock. Selfish players are all over the league, but once they become more open minded to making players around them better, they become that much more effective! Look at A.I he did it, Kobe is doing it... why can't Zack?

Yeah Look at the games Aldridge missed, look at the games he played and how many minutes he logged.. also look at his scoring numbers. You are making it seem like he didn't play at all or something. He was a factor in every game that he played sun

Isn't this what he had in Portland? you just said

"It's obvious they have a better coach, and a better team."

It was brought out in yesterday's game the turning point in the Blazers' season last yr was when Roy stood up to Zach's criticism of their point guard play before the team. Their cap situation is very healthy come 2009/2010


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-26-2007 12:26 PM]

The Vince Carter for Randolph trade does make each team better. Thats definatly a trade I would pursue. Carter at SG & Lee at PF is better than Randolph at PF & Lee at backup PF.

The 2009 season is what I would target, with a plan in mind when making trades. Marbury, Rose come off the books that yr. I would trade Curry, Crawford, Q, & Nate.

Curry & Crawford to Seattle for Wally, Watson, & Petro .
Nate & Q for Eric Snow, Ira Newble & a 2nd rd pick.

Petro/Morris/James
Lee/Jefferies/Rose
Wally/Balkman/Chandler
Carter/Jones/Newble
Watson/Snow/(Marbury)

Marbury, Rose, Wally, & Snow's contracts would all expire = like 50mil comming off the books.

Watson & James expire the yr after 2010 = like 13mil comming off the books

The remaining players would be Lee, Balkman, Chandler, Carter, maybe Petro if he produces. We would probably resign Lee. As well as who ever we draft with our lottery picks. We would have the FLEXABILITY to go after a Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Joe Johnson, Granger, Bosh, Durant, or Oden when they becomes free agents. Though unlikly at least we would give ourselvs the chance. Even with none of them signing with us. With a top lotto pick in this yrs draft and possibly next yrs draft unless we have to give that one to Utah.

We would have the lotto picks, young verterans, and cap flexability to build a championship contender. Thats what we want.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

The Vince Carter for Randolph trade does make each team better. Thats definatly a trade I would pursue. Carter at SG & Lee at PF is better than Randolph at PF & Lee at backup PF.

The 2009 season is what I would target, with a plan in mind when making trades. Marbury, Rose come off the books that yr. I would trade Curry, Crawford, Q, & Nate.

Curry & Crawford to Seattle for Wally, Watson, & Petro .
Nate & Q for Eric Snow, Ira Newble & a 2nd rd pick.

Petro/Morris/James
Lee/Jefferies/Rose
Wally/Balkman/Chandler
Carter/Jones/Newble
Watson/Snow/(Marbury)

Marbury, Rose, Wally, & Snow's contracts would all expire = like 50mil comming off the books.

Watson & James expire the yr after 2010 = like 13mil comming off the books

The remaining players would be Lee, Balkman, Chandler, Carter, maybe Petro if he produces. We would probably resign Lee. As well as who ever we draft with our lottery picks. We would have the FLEXABILITY to go after a Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Joe Johnson, Granger, Bosh, Durant, or Oden when they becomes free agents. Though unlikly at least we would give ourselvs the chance. Even with none of them signing with us. With a top lotto pick in this yrs draft and possibly next yrs draft unless we have to give that one to Utah.

We would have the lotto picks, young verterans, and cap flexability to build a championship contender. Thats what we want.

One of the better scenarios I've seen here even though I doubt Presti or Thorn would seriously accept our overtures. When you look at Seattle's situation that's where they're headed right now. Why would they mess that up and surround Durant and Green with career losers?

Posted by bitty41:

Wait is everyone here aware because maybe your that Carter just signed a 5 year extension worth 80 million dollars? Talk about hypocritical everyone moans and complains about Zach's deal but then you want to bring this skell in because we can feature Eddy Curry again. Yea that sounds like a brilliant plan for the future.

4 year extension - same length as zach's. 5th year is a team option.

there is no plan for the future. this team won't tank and this roster needs a shakeup. might as well try to balance it out then trying to make a square peg fit a round hole.

Posted by TrueBlue:


Isn't this what he had in Portland? you just said

"It's obvious they have a better coach, and a better team."

It was brought out in yesterday's game the turning point in the Blazers' season last yr was when Roy stood up to Zach's criticism of their point guard play before the team. Their cap situation is very healthy come 2009/2010


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-26-2007 12:26 PM]

No, Zack did not have the same team in Portland, a year in off season training for 2 of there "franchise" players Aldridge and Roy makes a heck of a difference. Steve Blake is a key contributor to the point guard play as well.


As far as media critique, people will always surmise a success or downfall based on perception. Does this in fact make it reality? No way! Look at how many media reps said the Knicks would be good this year, or at least playoff bound but we are structurally flawed. No teams mentioned Portland, in fact they said this was a set back year because of Greg Odens injury. Look, I ain't tryna sit here and debate about Portland's success with you, It's clear as day, they are balling... all I am saying to you is this... Zack Randolph being dealt away should not be viewed as the catalyst for there recent win streak. They have good coaching, and are catching teams slipping.. It happens in the NBA. It's funny how, people were not talking about Portland when they were losing early on.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by bitty41:

Wait is everyone here aware because maybe your that Carter just signed a 5 year extension worth 80 million dollars? Talk about hypocritical everyone moans and complains about Zach's deal but then you want to bring this skell in because we can feature Eddy Curry again. Yea that sounds like a brilliant plan for the future.

4 year extension - same length as zach's. 5th year is a team option.

there is no plan for the future. this team won't tank and this roster needs a shakeup. might as well try to balance it out then trying to make a square peg fit a round hole.

Might as well give I SAY UGH another extension while we're gettin. At some point you gotta believe this can't continue.

i posted this under the guise that it will continue.

there really is no hope for the knicks on the horizon. that's why i say it's just alot easier to start following another team or just stop watching bball in general (and the nba is quite doo doo as it is).

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by bitty41:

Wait is everyone here aware because maybe your that Carter just signed a 5 year extension worth 80 million dollars? Talk about hypocritical everyone moans and complains about Zach's deal but then you want to bring this skell in because we can feature Eddy Curry again. Yea that sounds like a brilliant plan for the future.

4 year extension - same length as zach's. 5th year is a team option.

there is no plan for the future. this team won't tank and this roster needs a shakeup. might as well try to balance it out then trying to make a square peg fit a round hole.

Sometimes you make good propositions but this is not one of them. Vince Carter is 30 years old and declining why would you ever try go after him? Vince has and always will be a chucker a glorified Jamal Crawford. If its all the same I rather keep everyone and hope for the best in the draft.

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