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holfresh
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12/17/2007  11:29 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

What principle Holfresh????

He said he went to court because Annucha lied about being sexually harassed...The man doesn't know how to run a basketball team so it must mean he is a liar too huh...
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12/17/2007  11:42 AM
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Yeah...Dolan the penny pincher...right...

Just come up with one counter-example (or agree with me). You started off thinking you could come up with counter-examples but you appear to have given up once those didn't work.

I did...I came up with about 5 but you said but you said those proved your point...So...

I also said that he went to court with Annucha on principle as he stated but you said you didn't believe him...So what else is there to prove...Your head is buried in the sand and you want more examples....



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-17-2007 11:19 AM]
Again, the action of going to court to fight for every penny, regardless of the reason, is NOT inconsistent with the idea that Dolan craves every penny. Let me spell it out very simply:

a) Action *consistent* with the notion he craves every penny: Going to court in the Anucha case precisely because every penny is important to him.
b) Action *irrelevant* to the notion he craves every penny: Going to court to fight for every penny but out of principle. All of your examples fall into this category even though you think they fall into category (a).
c) Action *inconsistent* with the notion he craves every penny: Immediately caving in to Anucha's demands *without any fight* and giving her the full amount. Perhaps he didn't care about every penny he could get and just wanted the issue to go away instead.

None of your examples fall into category c). Dolan's actions always fall into category a or b, which leads one to think he does care about every penny he can get his hands on and that enough people boycotting could have the desired effect.
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12/17/2007  11:49 AM
No shyat, and he wanted to make HER look like a fool by taking her to trial to boost his ego. That's one of his principles, but the other principle got in the way and he made himself look like a fool to the media.

All Dolan had to do was settle, and all 3 of those principles could have been fulfilled, but he didn't. His ego wouldn't have been bruised, IN FRONT of the media, and he probably only would have lost 3 million or so or supposedly.

So yes Holfresh, if those are the principles you are talking about, then MAYBE in a sense, you are right. Dolan went to court to boost his ego and make himself look like the all powerful and mighty business great we all know he isn't and the complete opposite happened. The sad thing though, is he probably still believes he's the all powerful and mighty business great.
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12/17/2007  12:27 PM
People boycott in different ways. You can't ask people to give up their tickets. Especially when they were given to you as a Christmas gift.

Last season, Kobe didn't play in MSG. This year, if he is healthy, I will get to watch in person the greatest player I'll have ever seen play basketball. One day, I'll be able to say, I saw Kobe in his prime, live and in person. I'm not going to give that up.

I never saw Jordan live. Nor Bird or Magic. The best player (non-Knick) i've seen play in person was probably a young Barkley as a 76er. These days, it would have to be Jason Kidd or Vince Carter.

But KOBE is something else. The closest to MJ since MJ. You gonna take that from me?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/17/2007  12:37 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:


Yeah...Dolan the penny pincher...right...

Just come up with one counter-example (or agree with me). You started off thinking you could come up with counter-examples but you appear to have given up once those didn't work.

I did...I came up with about 5 but you said but you said those proved your point...So...

I also said that he went to court with Annucha on principle as he stated but you said you didn't believe him...So what else is there to prove...Your head is buried in the sand and you want more examples....



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-17-2007 11:19 AM]
Again, the action of going to court to fight for every penny, regardless of the reason, is NOT inconsistent with the idea that Dolan craves every penny. Let me spell it out very simply:

a) Action *consistent* with the notion he craves every penny: Going to court in the Anucha case precisely because every penny is important to him.
b) Action *irrelevant* to the notion he craves every penny: Going to court to fight for every penny but out of principle. All of your examples fall into this category even though you think they fall into category (a).
c) Action *inconsistent* with the notion he craves every penny: Immediately caving in to Anucha's demands *without any fight* and giving her the full amount. Perhaps he didn't care about every penny he could get and just wanted the issue to go away instead.

None of your examples fall into category c). Dolan's actions always fall into category a or b, which leads one to think he does care about every penny he can get his hands on and that enough people boycotting could have the desired effect.

So the fact that he has been willing to throw stupid money at anyone means nothing...the fact the he overpaid allan houston by about 5 mil per year means nothing...the fact that he was buying out people before being bought out was en vogue...the fact that he has paid his GMs and coaches more than any other owner in the league....the fact that he has ran the highest payroll in the league the last 7 years and doesn't give a shet about wins means nothing...the fact that he has hired more coaches and paid them more money than the rest of the league combined means nothing...I'm supposed to take your word for it that he is all of a sudden concerned about his pennies...OK bro, what else can I say...
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12/17/2007  1:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:


Yeah...Dolan the penny pincher...right...

Just come up with one counter-example (or agree with me). You started off thinking you could come up with counter-examples but you appear to have given up once those didn't work.

I did...I came up with about 5 but you said but you said those proved your point...So...

I also said that he went to court with Annucha on principle as he stated but you said you didn't believe him...So what else is there to prove...Your head is buried in the sand and you want more examples....



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-17-2007 11:19 AM]
Again, the action of going to court to fight for every penny, regardless of the reason, is NOT inconsistent with the idea that Dolan craves every penny. Let me spell it out very simply:

a) Action *consistent* with the notion he craves every penny: Going to court in the Anucha case precisely because every penny is important to him.
b) Action *irrelevant* to the notion he craves every penny: Going to court to fight for every penny but out of principle. All of your examples fall into this category even though you think they fall into category (a).
c) Action *inconsistent* with the notion he craves every penny: Immediately caving in to Anucha's demands *without any fight* and giving her the full amount. Perhaps he didn't care about every penny he could get and just wanted the issue to go away instead.

None of your examples fall into category c). Dolan's actions always fall into category a or b, which leads one to think he does care about every penny he can get his hands on and that enough people boycotting could have the desired effect.

So the fact that he has been willing to throw stupid money at anyone means nothing...the fact the he overpaid allan houston by about 5 mil per year means nothing...the fact that he was buying out people before being bought out was en vogue...the fact that he has paid his GMs and coaches more than any other owner in the league....the fact that he has ran the highest payroll in the league the last 7 years and doesn't give a shet about wins means nothing...the fact that he has hired more coaches and paid them more money than the rest of the league combined means nothing...I'm supposed to take your word for it that he is all of a sudden concerned about his pennies...OK bro, what else can I say...

You can't distinguish incompetence from not caring about money in any of those examples. So they're insufficient examples.
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12/17/2007  1:22 PM
I think there are some exceptions to the boycott rule.

If the tix are a gift or you get them for free, I don't think you should turn that down. Accordingly, I wouldn't turn down a great deal from a desperate scalper.

What you don't want to do is pay the full price for these tickets. Tickets that are being scalped or are being given as a gift have already been bought at face value. Consequently, it doesn't make much sense for you to not accept those tickets when MSG has already made money on them.

My personal boycott is that I won't actually buy Knicks tickets at full price (meaning I won't buy directly from MSG or ticketmaster).
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12/17/2007  1:22 PM
Posted by kam77:

People boycott in different ways. You can't ask people to give up their tickets. Especially when they were given to you as a Christmas gift.

Last season, Kobe didn't play in MSG. This year, if he is healthy, I will get to watch in person the greatest player I'll have ever seen play basketball. One day, I'll be able to say, I saw Kobe in his prime, live and in person. I'm not going to give that up.

I never saw Jordan live. Nor Bird or Magic. The best player (non-Knick) i've seen play in person was probably a young Barkley as a 76er. These days, it would have to be Jason Kidd or Vince Carter.

But KOBE is something else. The closest to MJ since MJ. You gonna take that from me?
You can do whatever you want but why not just go to NJ to watch Jordan and stand by the principle of not paying Dolan to make a garbage team?
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12/17/2007  1:23 PM
Posted by s3231:

I think there are some exceptions to the boycott rule.

If the tix are a gift or you get them for free, I don't think you should turn that down. Accordingly, I wouldn't turn down a great deal from a desperate scalper.

What you don't want to do is pay the full price for these tickets. Tickets that are being scalped or are being given as a gift have already been bought at face value. Consequently, it doesn't make much sense for you to not accept those tickets when MSG has already made money on them.

My personal boycott is that I won't actually buy Knicks tickets at full price (meaning I won't buy directly from MSG or ticketmaster).
That sounds good enough to qualify as boycotting! And if enough people took that approach that, Dolan would take winning seriously.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-17-2007 1:24 PM]
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12/17/2007  1:51 PM
Yeah, i've already spent money on the team this year. I bought some tickets to some home games and I bought some Knick merchandise. But after the 23rd (which was a gift) i'm done with spending mnoney on them. I'll watch on MSG because thats what i've always done. But i'm done spending money on this group.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/17/2007  2:10 PM
Actually it seems like everyone except Holfresh and Briggs IS boycotting! Excellent!
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12/17/2007  2:40 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Actually it seems like everyone except Holfresh and Briggs IS boycotting! Excellent!

and the 19,000 fans that show up at the Garden for home games...

As long as you watch the games you are supporting the Knicks...
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12/17/2007  3:15 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Actually it seems like everyone except Holfresh and Briggs IS boycotting! Excellent!

and the 19,000 fans that show up at the Garden for home games...

As long as you watch the games you are supporting the Knicks...
If enough fans *only* watch games and give no other support, it'll really hurt Dolan where it counts (dollars wise). They lost $39 mil last year and fans are turning on the team much faster this year. If they lose over $50 mil and the number approaches $100 mil this year, Dolan will make changes. I'm hoping we fans can get that number as high as possible.
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12/17/2007  4:23 PM
My collegue knows guy who used to make good money on Knicks tickets.
He lost some money this year and sold all remaining stuff in bulk.
This business is bottomed out.
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holfresh
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12/17/2007  4:40 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Actually it seems like everyone except Holfresh and Briggs IS boycotting! Excellent!

and the 19,000 fans that show up at the Garden for home games...

As long as you watch the games you are supporting the Knicks...
If enough fans *only* watch games and give no other support, it'll really hurt Dolan where it counts (dollars wise). They lost $39 mil last year and fans are turning on the team much faster this year. If they lose over $50 mil and the number approaches $100 mil this year, Dolan will make changes. I'm hoping we fans can get that number as high as possible.

yeah right, the knicks lost money last year like the Yankees lost money last year...keep believing the numbers they push to the IRS...
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12/17/2007  4:43 PM
you know, it's just alot easier picking another team and watching them.
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12/17/2007  6:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

you know, it's just alot easier picking another team and watching them.
I do both. I'm rooting for the Celtics as my secondary team and I'm supporting the long-term interests of the Knicks by boycotting the team.
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