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12/11/2007  4:50 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
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"Phoenix East" was always a stupid Isiah used car sales pitch line. We didn't have the coach or personnell for that. I don't think LB was ever really thinking about Phoenix East and that certainly wasn't the reason why I thought we'd be better.

It was an Isiah invention that was followed by many of our ardent supporters. It's one thing to think we were going to be better, it's another thing to think we were going to take a step to the next level. That's what I was warning against. Yes, we had the ability to win a couple more games, but we weren't getting out of the category of: inconsistent, mediocre teams that needed major changes. This is what I tried to warn.

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12/11/2007  4:52 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I thought we were going to be Phoenix East. I screamed it.

Bballjones, we can still be Phoenix East. What makes you think Bip is right? After all, we're still rebuilding and we're just facing the turbulence that all rebuilding teams face. Pretty soon, Marbury will be back and so will Jerome and that's your rebounder who starts the fast break. Just remember, our best offense is our defense, and that's what Jerome is gonna represent when he comes back, which means will be an offensve jugernaut, just like Phoenix. Just ask Isiah.

Phoenix East and onward! Bip knows nothing and just wants to buy LB flowers.
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12/11/2007  4:54 PM
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12/11/2007  5:01 PM
But Bip, in order to be Phoenix East, we need a big man who can play defense, and that's Jerome, and he's coming back soon, and that's all the components we need. We have our star PG in Marbury, are killer shooters in Quentin and Crawford, and are all star all around post presents in Eddie Randolf. Plus, our defense is already great, and defense leads to offense, so really, we already are Phoenix East.
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12/11/2007  5:01 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TrueBlue:
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5.5 rebounds a game. I need a link. Surely at his size this can't be true.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=3514

I need a real link. I do not classify anything from ESPN(Every Sportscaster Pees on the Knicks) network as real. I need real stats. Come on TrueBlue you can do better than that. I will not stand for this anti-Curry propoganda.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-12-2007 4:09 PM]
Dude, wouldn't that be ESPK?!
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12/11/2007  5:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Posted by Bippity10:

5.5 rebounds a game. I need a link. Surely at his size this can't be true.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=3514

I need a real link. I do not classify anything from ESPN(Every Sportscaster Pees on the Knicks) network as real. I need real stats. Come on TrueBlue you can do better than that. I will not stand for this anti-Curry propoganda.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-12-2007 4:09 PM]
Dude, wouldn't that be ESPK?!

Damnittt. I meant to say

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12/11/2007  5:12 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bippity10:

5.5 rebounds a game. I need a link. Surely at his size this can't be true.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=3514

I need a real link. I do not classify anything from ESPN(Every Sportscaster Pees on the Knicks) network as real. I need real stats. Come on TrueBlue you can do better than that. I will not stand for this anti-Curry propoganda.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-12-2007 4:09 PM]
Dude, wouldn't that be ESPK?!

Funny!
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12/11/2007  5:52 PM
Bad hangover day Bip?
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12/11/2007  6:36 PM
Posted by MS:

The disgraceful Francise Center Doesn't Hold a Candle to the top these guys, and since Isiah believe no one in that draft would be better than curry, it's always nice to revist, especially since it's going to take another 5 years to get out of this whole we have been in the past 5.

L. Aldridge 18.7pts 7.7rbs 0.8ass 0.7stls 1.2blks
B. Roy 17.9pts 4.4rbs 5.3ass 1.1stls 0.3blks
R. Gay 18.7pts 5.6rbs 1.7ass 1.4stls 1.0blks

Eddy Curry 15.2pts 5.5rbs 0.6ass 0.3stls 0.6blks
(averaging more TO's than ass,blks,stls again)

Nice work and Had Curry not hit that 3-pointer against the bucks we were likely moving to number 5-7 in last years draft. How close the Knicks could have come to really developing into a good team without cap space. But Isiah loves rebuilding just not his own team

curiously i didn't see you making these stat comparisons last year when Curry was putting up 20 & 7... those kids all look very good & i agree that i'd rather have any of them over Curry at this point, but what are their teams' records? their teams stink just like the Knicks do... if these kids are so great how come they can't elevate their teams to better success either? POR has 2 of those kids in fact & still they're languishing at a not so eye popping record of 8-11.
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12/11/2007  8:00 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by MS:

The disgraceful Francise Center Doesn't Hold a Candle to the top these guys, and since Isiah believe no one in that draft would be better than curry, it's always nice to revist, especially since it's going to take another 5 years to get out of this whole we have been in the past 5.

L. Aldridge 18.7pts 7.7rbs 0.8ass 0.7stls 1.2blks
B. Roy 17.9pts 4.4rbs 5.3ass 1.1stls 0.3blks
R. Gay 18.7pts 5.6rbs 1.7ass 1.4stls 1.0blks

Eddy Curry 15.2pts 5.5rbs 0.6ass 0.3stls 0.6blks
(averaging more TO's than ass,blks,stls again)

Nice work and Had Curry not hit that 3-pointer against the bucks we were likely moving to number 5-7 in last years draft. How close the Knicks could have come to really developing into a good team without cap space. But Isiah loves rebuilding just not his own team

curiously i didn't see you making these stat comparisons last year when Curry was putting up 20 & 7... those kids all look very good & i agree that i'd rather have any of them over Curry at this point, but what are their teams' records? their teams stink just like the Knicks do... if these kids are so great how come they can't elevate their teams to better success either? POR has 2 of those kids in fact & still they're languishing at a not so eye popping record of 8-11.

I will take Roy and Aldridge over any player on the knicks. Watch the trailblzers for 1 game and you will see a young team that is going to be a force in 2 years. Once they draft a SF this year and get Oden back watch out.

Dont worry Isiah said it takes 9 years to rebuild. I would gladly trade teams with the t blazers in a heartbeat.

The statement you made is completly idiotic about comparing teams.
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12/11/2007  8:52 PM
care to explain why you feel that way or do you just wanna be a condescending prick for the hell of it?
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12/11/2007  9:01 PM
Posted by TMS:

care to explain why you feel that way or do you just wanna be a condescending prick for the hell of it?

What is there to explain???? The youngest team in the league has a better record than the knicks and Roy and Aldridge are already better than any 2 players on the knicks. How am i being a prick if i am stating the facts here??????
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12/11/2007  9:33 PM
i already agreed that both those players were better than Curry... that's not even my issue... the question was why can't Roy & Aldridge get their team to be any better than 8-11 if they're so much better than anyone we have? the general consensus among most people here was that the Knicks should be at least a 38 to 42 win team this year... if that's the case shouldn't the Blazers be doing better than 8-11?

the tendency for you guys to downgrade every player we have on this team while holding players on other teams that have nearly identical records in such high regard is just curious to me, that's all... u don't need to bring up POR's future to me... the obvious upside in their young talent combined with the cap relief & future flexibility for roster moves the Zach trade provided them is obvious... that doesn't even address the question i had.
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12/11/2007  9:43 PM
Posted by TMS:

i already agreed that both those players were better than Curry... that's not even my issue... the question was why can't Roy & Aldridge get their team to be any better than 8-11 if they're so much better than anyone we have? the general consensus among most people here was that the Knicks should be at least a 38 to 42 win team this year... if that's the case shouldn't the Blazers be doing better than 8-11?

the tendency for you guys to downgrade every player we have on this team while holding players on other teams that have nearly identical records in such high regard is just curious to me, that's all... u don't need to bring up POR's future to me... the obvious upside in their young talent combined with the cap relief & future flexibility for roster moves the Zach trade provided them is obvious... that doesn't even address the question i had.



Geez Louise TMS they haven't played 100gms in their career yet and you're expecting so much more from them because stats say they are better. They play in a tougher conference, they are the youngest team in the NBA, and they are missing their number draft pick.
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12/11/2007  9:54 PM
Posted by TMS:

i already agreed that both those players were better than Curry... that's not even my issue... the question was why can't Roy & Aldridge get their team to be any better than 8-11 if they're so much better than anyone we have? the general consensus among most people here was that the Knicks should be at least a 38 to 42 win team this year... if that's the case shouldn't the Blazers be doing better than 8-11?

the tendency for you guys to downgrade every player we have on this team while holding players on other teams that have nearly identical records in such high regard is just curious to me, that's all... u don't need to bring up POR's future to me... the obvious upside in their young talent combined with the cap relief & future flexibility for roster moves the Zach trade provided them is obvious... that doesn't even address the question i had.

The reason why players are downgraded is because they stink. We have a whole team of players that cannot play D or hit a jumpshot. At the end of last season i had high hopes because of Lee,Balkman and collins, guess what they regressed too. what the hell do i have to look forward too when isiah doesnt even play them. These are the facts the team has gotten worse no ifs ands or butts about it. It is a joke and other players are held in high regard because they are good players, you think anyone really wants our players except for Lee and Balkman. The contracts for our starting 5 are basically unmovable unless some schmuck from another team turns into isiah.

I am still trying to figure out how we are more athletic when nobody can play D. Athletic players contest shots and cause turnovers which is something we never do. I cant believe how many wide open shots teams get cause we cant get around picks or jump off the ground. Randolph and Curry are probably the 2 worst big men on the defensive end that i have seen in a long time. I cant believe how many easy shots teams get in the paint. It is very frustrating and now i am venting. Im sick of this schit.
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12/11/2007  11:18 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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i already agreed that both those players were better than Curry... that's not even my issue... the question was why can't Roy & Aldridge get their team to be any better than 8-11 if they're so much better than anyone we have? the general consensus among most people here was that the Knicks should be at least a 38 to 42 win team this year... if that's the case shouldn't the Blazers be doing better than 8-11?

the tendency for you guys to downgrade every player we have on this team while holding players on other teams that have nearly identical records in such high regard is just curious to me, that's all... u don't need to bring up POR's future to me... the obvious upside in their young talent combined with the cap relief & future flexibility for roster moves the Zach trade provided them is obvious... that doesn't even address the question i had.



Geez Louise TMS they haven't played 100gms in their career yet and you're expecting so much more from them because stats say they are better. They play in a tougher conference, they are the youngest team in the NBA, and they are missing their number draft pick.


forget it, u missed the point... i'm not expecting anything out of those kids... it seems to me that you guys wanna rate every other team's players to be so much better than ours while excusing the other teams' players for not bringing immediate success to their teams, yet have no problem turning around to bash on our guys for failing to do the same here... i don't get that, that's all i'm saying.

no one's arguing the fact that our players are severely underperforming & that other teams probably don't value them right now because of their performance this year along w/the current circumstances surrounding the team which includes all the distractions, the managerial jokes that are running this franchise, & all the other contributing factors to the general negative aura that's hovering over them... i wasn't talking about a player's worth in trades or their future potential to improve, this is about pure basketball talent & skill... i don't consider Aldridge to be head & shoulders better than anyone we have... he maybe better than Curry or Zach but not by much... IMO he's actually in a better position to succeed in POR this year because of Oden's absence, so i have to take his production w/a grain of salt for now... when Oden comes back i'm sure their team will be better, but i don't know if u can necessarily say that Aldridge will be in another class than Curry or Zach next season considering he'll be sharing touches w/their franchise C... he will no doubt get better & so will Roy w/more years under their belt, i'm not even debating the future outlook for both teams here... all that venting you're doing doesn't have anything to do w/the question i posed... i just question the standards that you guys use to judge our players & then seem to give other teams' players a complete pass when it comes time to judge their potential shortcomings.
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12/12/2007  11:12 AM
I am brining up these players in comparison to Eddy Curry because I felt like last year Eddy was not all that valuable because his effectiveness is tied to how many touches he gets and if he isn't forcefed he is disinterested. You don't give up cap room and flexibility as well as assets for the most out of shape, piece of **** in the league that folds under pressure and doesn't care about winning.

I mention those played because anyone of them could get you a nice asset in return. Roy is perhaps the best young guard in the entire NBA right now outside of Lebron and Wade. Gay is maturing very quickly and is already better than eddy curry on the defensive end and he plays the sf position.

If you can't win with our guys and you can't trade them for value what's the use. I didn't want Zach because I believed he would be averaging 16pts 11rbs and not providing defense or winning play. Obvioulsy I was right, just like anytime you look at an isiah move because it's short sighted. It ended up taking away minutes from our most important player David Lee who would average 14pts 11rbs and provide better fundamental play and improved, not great but improved defense......

The Knicks are a pathetic joke we got curry to use him not to duplicate him, which we have done rendering him useless.
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12/12/2007  11:24 AM
Posted by TMS:
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i already agreed that both those players were better than Curry... that's not even my issue... the question was why can't Roy & Aldridge get their team to be any better than 8-11 if they're so much better than anyone we have? the general consensus among most people here was that the Knicks should be at least a 38 to 42 win team this year... if that's the case shouldn't the Blazers be doing better than 8-11?

the tendency for you guys to downgrade every player we have on this team while holding players on other teams that have nearly identical records in such high regard is just curious to me, that's all... u don't need to bring up POR's future to me... the obvious upside in their young talent combined with the cap relief & future flexibility for roster moves the Zach trade provided them is obvious... that doesn't even address the question i had.



Geez Louise TMS they haven't played 100gms in their career yet and you're expecting so much more from them because stats say they are better. They play in a tougher conference, they are the youngest team in the NBA, and they are missing their number draft pick.


forget it, u missed the point... i'm not expecting anything out of those kids... it seems to me that you guys wanna rate every other team's players to be so much better than ours while excusing the other teams' players for not bringing immediate success to their teams, yet have no problem turning around to bash on our guys for failing to do the same here... i don't get that, that's all i'm saying.



TMS we're talking about comparing Curry to Roy and Aldridge and sorry even if it's marginal they are doing more for their team right now vs Curry statistically and in the W column. Curry is in his 7th yr, Aldridge and Roy are in their 2nd. If by yr 7 of Aldridge and Roy's career they haven't sniffed the playoffs or only make 1 appearance while watching on the bench you best believe they'll be categorized as early career failures.



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12/12/2007  2:11 PM
Posted by MS:

I am brining up these players in comparison to Eddy Curry because I felt like last year Eddy was not all that valuable because his effectiveness is tied to how many touches he gets and if he isn't forcefed he is disinterested. You don't give up cap room and flexibility as well as assets for the most out of shape, piece of **** in the league that folds under pressure and doesn't care about winning.

I mention those played because anyone of them could get you a nice asset in return. Roy is perhaps the best young guard in the entire NBA right now outside of Lebron and Wade. Gay is maturing very quickly and is already better than eddy curry on the defensive end and he plays the sf position.

If you can't win with our guys and you can't trade them for value what's the use. I didn't want Zach because I believed he would be averaging 16pts 11rbs and not providing defense or winning play. Obvioulsy I was right, just like anytime you look at an isiah move because it's short sighted. It ended up taking away minutes from our most important player David Lee who would average 14pts 11rbs and provide better fundamental play and improved, not great but improved defense......

The Knicks are a pathetic joke we got curry to use him not to duplicate him, which we have done rendering him useless.

i agree w/everything u just said... i'm not challenging u on any of that, believe me... it's the stat comparisons that i had a question about since last year all i ever heard from you was that Curry's stats were completely transparent & had no beneficial effect on the team's overall success... seems to me the stats being put up by Roy & Aldridge aren't helping their teams to succeed much either this year... that was really the only point i was questioning u on... anyway, thanks for trying to clarify your position.
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They are 8-11 in the western conference they have the youngest team in the league and have guys they don't really have a position yet, although talented webster and outlaw don't really have a defined role yet. They have two role playing pgs in blake and jack who i think are good team guys but not blowing anyone away. Channing Frye, and a bunch of guys no one has really heard of. They are in most games and they have a future defensive anchor waiting in the wings......

I am looking at Portland a team that was in turmoil had a ton of players no one wanted and after a few trades one with the knicks obviously are in a tremendous postion. Curry has zero upside these guys are still maturing. Stats are empty, true but they score in the flow of the game, when eddy scored because isiah was trying to prove he knew anything about this game, clearly he doesn't off the court.

They are also in the position to sign a free agent like Deng or Iggy to play the 3 and become of thes best young teams in the NBA when you add in another lottery pick, the knicks should be in that position but we need to get turning on max deal into another and not drafting Bynum and Lowry and logical choices to improve the team.
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