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Isiah has finally found who to blame for the Knicks Woes.............
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FireIsiah
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12/11/2007  12:19 AM
i was going to go to bed but now i am livid. I gave up my season ticket 2 years ago when we got this bum Isiah and no one believed me when i said he would ruin the team. No im beyond furious, they call me once a month to buy tickets and i cant wait for the next phone call. If i see isiah in the street it is on.
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12/11/2007  12:44 AM
Thomas lectures both sides of the aisle
Mike Dougherty
December 11

Right now, Isiah Thomas doesn’t have a lot of friends at Madison Square Garden.

And that’s why all of the beat writers reacted suspiciously when Mara Altschuler showed up after the final buzzer with all kinds of vim and vigor. She is a television producer from Manhattan, and says her family’s owned season tickets since before this version of MSG was erected.

Not many people stayed around, but there were a handful of witnesses backing her story up.

“He turned around and told us it was the sixth man’s fault they were missing layups,” said Altschuler, who sat in the second row near midcourt and came to press row afterward to complain. “He told us we should be with the Knicks, not against them.”

And here’s my favorite …

“When the crowd was chanting, ‘Jeff Van Gundy,’ he turned around and said, ‘You kicked him out of town, too,’ ” Altschuler said.

Classic.

I didn’t expect a straight answer, but Thomas put one heck of a spin move on me in the postgame.

“Um, I was just trying to make sure we kept the team together and we stayed focused on what we were doing in trying to win the basketball game,” he said. “Our fans are great, they support us, and they show up and we’re glad they’re here.”

Sort of.

The players are tired of hearing it from the crowd, as well. They are getting desperate for a normal home court advantage, but I’m pretty sure this maneuver is going to backfire.

“Fans are a big part of any team anywhere you go,” Zach Randolph said. “We need the fans. We need support with us even when we’re down.”

Thomas also was accused of saying the Knicks get more support from loyalists who show up in New Jersey and Philadelphia to fuel their passion. I remember hearing boos when he was introduced last week at the IZOD Center, and recall seeing a ‘Fire Isiah’ sign at the Wachovia Center.

It’s alarmingly obvious what has to happen.

When the Knicks were floundering last night, the crowd was chanting and booing. Eddy Curry was even getting blasted. When the Knicks came back, the mood changed in an instant. They got within seven in the fourth quarter and all was forgiven.

Just win and everybody goes home with a smile.
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12/11/2007  11:32 AM
I thought Hahn had an excellent blog post with some good one liners:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2007/12/its_all_your_fault_again.html
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12/11/2007  11:40 AM
I think what Dolan should do is keep him employed in a community relations role, no sense in firing him. Just demote him and make him suffer.
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12/11/2007  11:41 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Thomas lectures both sides of the aisle
Mike Dougherty
December 11

Right now, Isiah Thomas doesn’t have a lot of friends at Madison Square Garden.

And that’s why all of the beat writers reacted suspiciously when Mara Altschuler showed up after the final buzzer with all kinds of vim and vigor. She is a television producer from Manhattan, and says her family’s owned season tickets since before this version of MSG was erected.

Not many people stayed around, but there were a handful of witnesses backing her story up.

“He turned around and told us it was the sixth man’s fault they were missing layups,” said Altschuler, who sat in the second row near midcourt and came to press row afterward to complain. “He told us we should be with the Knicks, not against them.”

And here’s my favorite …

“When the crowd was chanting, ‘Jeff Van Gundy,’ he turned around and said, ‘You kicked him out of town, too,’ ” Altschuler said.

Classic.

I didn’t expect a straight answer, but Thomas put one heck of a spin move on me in the postgame.

“Um, I was just trying to make sure we kept the team together and we stayed focused on what we were doing in trying to win the basketball game,” he said. “Our fans are great, they support us, and they show up and we’re glad they’re here.”

Sort of.

The players are tired of hearing it from the crowd, as well. They are getting desperate for a normal home court advantage, but I’m pretty sure this maneuver is going to backfire.

“Fans are a big part of any team anywhere you go,” Zach Randolph said. “We need the fans. We need support with us even when we’re down.”

Thomas also was accused of saying the Knicks get more support from loyalists who show up in New Jersey and Philadelphia to fuel their passion. I remember hearing boos when he was introduced last week at the IZOD Center, and recall seeing a ‘Fire Isiah’ sign at the Wachovia Center.

It’s alarmingly obvious what has to happen.

When the Knicks were floundering last night, the crowd was chanting and booing. Eddy Curry was even getting blasted. When the Knicks came back, the mood changed in an instant. They got within seven in the fourth quarter and all was forgiven.

Just win and everybody goes home with a smile.

i think dj is the reason the knicks are so bad. if he would just revive the live from section 404 blog, everything would be fine again. C'MON SU, MAN-UP
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12/11/2007  11:45 AM
Posted by MS:

I think what Dolan should do is keep him employed in a community relations role, no sense in firing him. Just demote him and make him suffer.

Community relations? Man in charge of making the community hate you?
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12/11/2007  11:49 AM
I'm sure having the fans boo affects the players, but they have to understand that it isn't just one night's performance the fans are booing. It's years and years of MSG failure and bull****.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 12-11-2007 11:49]
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12/11/2007  12:03 PM
i'm going to run to the press and tell.
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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12/11/2007  1:22 PM
This is why you don't bring sissies to NY simply because they are younger and more athletic. Isiah proved he doesn't understand NY when he started acquiring AND1 players because he thought it would galvanize the city. He's still managing like he lives in the Midwest.
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12/11/2007  1:31 PM
I think Papabear put it best in the Mavs game thread. At this point I am rooting for Isiah to finish the season out.

All he needs is another 50-60 games to get the team to start jelling defensively. All he needs is one full season to get Zach and Eddy to work well on the same team.

If he doesn't get it done, I don't know where the blame goes.

Just remember: Derrick Rose, Eric Gordon, OJ Mayo, Beasley will most likely come out after 1 season in college....

I'm ok with having Rose or Gordon to take over when Step leaves.
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/11/2007  1:34 PM
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:

I think Papabear put it best in the Mavs game thread. At this point I am rooting for Isiah to finish the season out.

All he needs is another 50-60 games to get the team to start jelling defensively. All he needs is one full season to get Zach and Eddy to work well on the same team.

If he doesn't get it done, I don't know where the blame goes.

Just remember: Derrick Rose, Eric Gordon, OJ Mayo, Beasley will most likely come out after 1 season in college....

I'm ok with having Rose or Gordon to take over when Step leaves.

one question, if you are a chef, and you are cooking the dish, and you are buying the ingredients, then how do you not buy the right ingredients? why does he have to "try" and make zach and eddy work? that makes no sense. since he's coaching the team too, and he knows what kind of offense he wants to run (at least let's assume he does), then why get a square peg to fit in a round hole?

i'm still on the fence tho, i don't know if isiah is truly safe, or he's left out to hang.

but with the trial over, and 3 straight losses in a bad way, and now the comments to fans, if he's coaching this team wednesday, then when will he ever get fired?
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12/11/2007  1:35 PM
also, i DO NOT want isiah making this team's next lotto pick.
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12/11/2007  1:36 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

also, i DO NOT want isiah making this team's next lotto pick.

Of course not.

You want him to use it in a trade, right?
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12/11/2007  1:49 PM
With Isiah or without this Product is irrelevant.
Whoever will come to the Garden to watch it is not The Knicks fan.
This people are tourists, kids, and The Isiah Tomas Product lovers.
We will need to wait for Knicks to come back in the Garden or somewhere else.
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12/11/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

also, i DO NOT want isiah making this team's next lotto pick.

DJ, I agree with that, but be careful what you wish for.
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12/11/2007  3:00 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:

I think Papabear put it best in the Mavs game thread. At this point I am rooting for Isiah to finish the season out.

All he needs is another 50-60 games to get the team to start jelling defensively. All he needs is one full season to get Zach and Eddy to work well on the same team.

If he doesn't get it done, I don't know where the blame goes.

Just remember: Derrick Rose, Eric Gordon, OJ Mayo, Beasley will most likely come out after 1 season in college....

I'm ok with having Rose or Gordon to take over when Step leaves.

one question, if you are a chef, and you are cooking the dish, and you are buying the ingredients, then how do you not buy the right ingredients? why does he have to "try" and make zach and eddy work? that makes no sense. since he's coaching the team too, and he knows what kind of offense he wants to run (at least let's assume he does), then why get a square peg to fit in a round hole?

i'm still on the fence tho, i don't know if isiah is truly safe, or he's left out to hang.

but with the trial over, and 3 straight losses in a bad way, and now the comments to fans, if he's coaching this team wednesday, then when will he ever get fired?

what I was trying to say is..if Isiah gets fired now..he can weasel out of taking the blame and say that he never had a full season to get his Twin Towers post player centered offense in place and the team never had a chance to be cohesive defensively.

If we give him the entire season who are him and Dolan going to blame for the crap results of the season?

You give a man the biggest payroll in the league. You let him construct a roster entirely made up of "his" guys. You let him coach the team. You ignore the press, fans, the commisioner, other players, etc. (in your words..you let the chief pick the ingredients and cook the dishes he wants, the way he wants)

I was being a bit sarcastic in the post you responded to and did a poor job of conveying it.

Dolan and Isiah should be forced to lie in the beds they have made....for an entire season..

There's an outside chance Isiah turn things around and this team takes a major leap towards becoming a championship contender. With a legitimate franchise center like Curry and the combination of the best pg to ever play the game coaching in Zeke and the current best pg in the NBA in Starbury along with a 20-10 MONSTER in Zach Randolph (how many other guys went 20-10 last season?), shouldn't we be conteding for a championship?

Especially when you add on a lockdown defensive player of the year like Jared Jeffries to the formula.

If that happens..then I will happily eat my words while watching the Knicks destroy the Celts in the Eastern Conference Finals.

If the Knicks finish with 22 wins I will happily watch

a) Dolan and Isiah trying to spin some positives out of the season and explain how the team with the highest payroll is also the laughingstock of the sports universe.

b) The new GM draft one of the kids mentioned above.

Hopefully Dolan is embarassed enough to leave the basketball side of the business alone.
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
Isiah has finally found who to blame for the Knicks Woes.............

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