Posted by oohah:
your "ready to contribute" mantra is ridiculous. a young player is not worth keeping if he can't perform up to expectations within a month? come on.
next year's draft we'll need to seriously consider taking a shooter again. i'd rather have a guy with an NBA year under his belt in whatever capacity (spot minutes, practice time, D-league). we won't have our shooter or our 2nd rounder. lost assets. d-nice's resume was at least comparable to anyone's we can reasonably get next year. it's a mistake, as i've said many times.
When did it become a Mantra? See the part I bolded above? I never said that. My point is and stay this: Nichols is no big deal for us to get upset over.
pay attention to the punctuation... the mantra i referred to was what was in the quotation marks - i took it straight from your last post and you've used the previously in these debates. the sentence ending in a question mark was a question, not a quote or a paraphrasing of anything you said. how about an answer?
there's also no disputing that you're exaggerating. "many" said he "could" be better than allan houston, implying that he could be a superstar... as far as making him out to be "much much more" than he 's ever likely to be, exaggeration aside isn't that our prerogative as fans? isiah's supporters and detractors alike have bought into this, either to support a bargain pickup or denounce a lost opportunity.
I don't get your point. I'm not exaggerating anything. A lot of people on this board have been gaga over this guy who is at best borderline NBA at this time. He's actually more likely under that borderline since 3 teams have passed up the chance to develop him. I guess that is your prerogative as a fan. It is my prerogative to say: Nichols is no big deal, time to stop sweating him.
my point is, you keep saying "many" or "a lot of" posters say this or think that. that's the exaggeration in my mind. my impression is that very few people actually embody your straw man argument - going "gaga" or calling him a superstar. i'd guess 2-3 people tops over the summer, and for their benefit you mock the rest of us who don't see it as a big deal, just another disappointment.
to be clear, does the bolded part mean you think i'm one of the one's going gaga over him? if so, then you are exaggerating. at the very least you're painting people with a broad brush. those kinds of inaccuracies are one of your pet peeves, yes?
d-nice didn't look like a borderline NBA player in summer league? honestly?
i don't get the fred jones comparison. do you mean the five year vet that came into Knicks camp was a more legit NBA player? OK you win. or do you mean the fred jones that played 115 minutes his rookie year, as a first round pick? was he a more legit NBA player than d-nice today?
Yes, Nichols looked like a borderline NBA player. That is why I am not sweating him.
Yes, I am referring to the same Fred Jones, who at least has been on a roster for his 5 years, and to my knowledge, never been cut, let alone twice in 6 weeks. If you want to get into relative worth because of where they were picked Fred Jones still comes out ahead because he has actually stuck with a roster.
whoa now... is he a borderline NBA player, or a "borderline NBA player at this time"? you've said both in this post. if you think d-nice will never be more than a borderline NBA player, then we can agree to disagree for now and time will tell. if the latter is the case, then why rush to judgment based on his first weeks in the league? why not keep him around to see what he can become in your system, rather than someone not in long term plans like jerome or even more productive players like malik or fred?
i mentioned fred jones being a first round pick because that meant he had a guaranteed contract. could that make a difference in whether or not a player keeps a roster spot or gets waived? i.e. it's not all about talent.
[Edited by - Masterplan on 12-05-2007 7:09 PM]
12/5/2007 3:53 PM
