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12/3/2007  12:26 PM


---->And if Steph never plays for the Knicks again, that'll be a great day in Knicks history.
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Wow--this is a vicious and crude remark considering the man's father unexpectedly passed away. There is a difference between game and life. Enough people present their callous opinion about marbury as is---so I would say sir that you have a lack of class for writing that at this time.

And IF MSG did know Marbury's father was actually sick and being taken to the hospital and didn't break word to Stephon--it will be a new low in recent sport history.

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12/3/2007  12:34 PM
Wow.. Briggs post is rivaling Enysprees for highest repeat count!

I agree with you though 100% Briggs, if the Knicks withheld this info from Steph, it is an absolute new low in this storied franchises history.
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12/3/2007  12:42 PM
Am I thinking of a different game, or didn't Steph go to the locker room in the middle of the game?
Could this have been to see what was happening with his dad, and not really an injury?
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12/3/2007  12:55 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Am I thinking of a different game, or didn't Steph go to the locker room in the middle of the game?
Could this have been to see what was happening with his dad, and not really an injury?

that was the Bucks game.
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12/3/2007  2:17 PM
How can you not tell the man about his father? WTF type of organization is this? I feel disgraced being a Knick fan right now.
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12/3/2007  2:19 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:



---->And if Steph never plays for the Knicks again, that'll be a great day in Knicks history.

Wow--this is a vicious and crude remark considering the man's father unexpectedly passed away. There is a difference between game and life. Enough people present their callous opinion about marbury as is---so I would say sir that you have a lack of class for writing that at this time.

And IF MSG did know Marbury's father was actually sick and being taken to the hospital and didn't break word to Stephon--it will be a new low in recent sport history.


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I agree. I'd understand if Marbury never wanted to play for the Knicks again.
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12/3/2007  2:31 PM
I don't care if he played for them or not. People put the blame solely on his shoulders for losing. They bought into the spin. Marbury may not have been the greatest teammate or leader, but he wasn't the reason why we lost thew ay we did and why we are losing now. When he goes and nothing changes, people will realize this. BUT, Marbury did deserve the boos he got this season. Now, he no longer deserves boos because of this tragedy. At least for a long time.
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12/3/2007  3:06 PM

SAS is saying his family decided not to tell Steph about his father until after the game...
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12/3/2007  3:33 PM
Posted by holfresh:


SAS is saying his family decided not to tell Steph about his father until after the game...

If that is true, it is sensible. No need for him to become grief-stricken on the bench. I remember when Lionel Simmons was told about Hank Gathers death during a game. His breaking into tears during the game was camera fodder. Better to keep it as private as possible.

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12/3/2007  3:37 PM
IF, AND ONLY IF the rumor about MSG withholding information -- without something resembling just cause -- from Steph about his father that took place during the Suns game has any grain of truth to it, then I wholeheartedly agree with the vehement criticisms of whoever is responsible for communicating such information to players in games at MSG.

If we consider what the protocol would likely be on such serious matters for professional athletes in an arena then it seems like there may be a pretty a good chance that MSG knew and did not inform Stephon. The best case scenario may be that the information was kept from him because his family asked MSG to not tell him until after the game, or that it was not clear it was serious.

Hopefully, that is what lies beneath these rumors, but for a man of Marbury's father's age to experience chest pains I'd say that's a pretty darn good indicator of a heart attack, which leads me to think MSG probably did know. How the communication process panned out is more open to debate, I think.
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12/3/2007  3:40 PM
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People are so overreacting about this, it's crazy !

How do you figure? His father was removed from the arena during the game and they let Steph play out the game while his father was dying. Had they informed him he might have had a chance to spend some time with his dying father.

How is it overreaction to be disgusted by such actions by our franchise?

I can see plenty of reasons why... who tells you his father didn't leave on his own ? Do you think he informed all the staff at the Garden that he had chest pains ? Do you think a PR annoucement should have been made ? How could the Knicks coaches know about that ? If he's father was leaving cause he was tired or had a stomachache, should he have tell the NYK staff also ? Do you think anyone knew he was about to die... ????

I don't see why the NYK organization has anything to do with that !

When a child is in school or you are at work and not immediately reachable someone is usually responsible for handling personal information that needs to be communicated. His father got sick in the very building Marbury works in, while he was working.

Moreover, experiencing chest pains is not anywhere near as serious as simply a stomachache or feeling tired (which could be signs of a heart attack). Reports have stated that Steph's father left the game with chest pains, which is the #1 INDICATOR for a heart attack, especially for a male his age, and could be easily identified by someone with knowledge of first aid.

So, if Steph's father said he had chest pains, he wouldn't just get up and leave, they would likely inform security or seek medical attention, or could have been identified by a fan trained in first aid. As soon as that would happen 911/EMS workers would be dispatched immediately.

After such an event transpired I highly doubt there is someone in the building who works there If I was Steph and my parent was at my game and then left the game with chest pains I'D WANT TO KNOW IMMEDIATELY, not an hour or so later.
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12/3/2007  5:26 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by FrenchKnicks:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by FrenchKnicks:

People are so overreacting about this, it's crazy !

How do you figure? His father was removed from the arena during the game and they let Steph play out the game while his father was dying. Had they informed him he might have had a chance to spend some time with his dying father.

How is it overreaction to be disgusted by such actions by our franchise?

I can see plenty of reasons why... who tells you his father didn't leave on his own ? Do you think he informed all the staff at the Garden that he had chest pains ? Do you think a PR annoucement should have been made ? How could the Knicks coaches know about that ? If he's father was leaving cause he was tired or had a stomachache, should he have tell the NYK staff also ? Do you think anyone knew he was about to die... ????

I don't see why the NYK organization has anything to do with that !

When a child is in school or you are at work and not immediately reachable someone is usually responsible for handling personal information that needs to be communicated. His father got sick in the very building Marbury works in, while he was working.

Moreover, experiencing chest pains is not anywhere near as serious as simply a stomachache or feeling tired (which could be signs of a heart attack). Reports have stated that Steph's father left the game with chest pains, which is the #1 INDICATOR for a heart attack, especially for a male his age, and could be easily identified by someone with knowledge of first aid.

So, if Steph's father said he had chest pains, he wouldn't just get up and leave, they would likely inform security or seek medical attention, or could have been identified by a fan trained in first aid. As soon as that would happen 911/EMS workers would be dispatched immediately.

After such an event transpired I highly doubt there is someone in the building who works there If I was Steph and my parent was at my game and then left the game with chest pains I'D WANT TO KNOW IMMEDIATELY, not an hour or so later.

The fact is Stephs farther left the building in Ambulance which was called by building officials.
They were aware about this right away and they definitely know who the person with problem was.
I believe Isiah get the info right away. As you remember Steph was pooled from the game less that 1 minute after start of 4th quarter and he get back at 8:40. I remember Frazer was asked why to pull the guy after 50 sec and he pause and sad in disbelief "I don’t know…".Looks like IT made the decision to not tell this to Steph until the end of the game.
I hope I am wrong but... but it looks very very suspicious...
This was exactly the point when the game falls apart for the Knicks...


[Edited by - arkrud on 12-03-2007 5:27 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 12-03-2007 5:30 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 12-03-2007 5:34 PM]
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12/3/2007  5:27 PM
Posted by holfresh:


SAS is saying his family decided not to tell Steph about his father until after the game...

wow, u mean the Knicks may not actually be the ones to fault here? go figure!

[Edited by - TMS on 12-03-2007 2:28 PM]
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12/3/2007  10:43 PM
Wow, if you read through the articles about Marbury's father, you can't help but notice a lot of non-denial denials. "Didn't die _at_ MSG...", for example. And the rumors that Stephan was pissed off after the game seem pretty credible. Ouch. Classy organization. If it's not true that they withheld information so that Marbury continued to play, they should put out clear press releases and generally be sympathetic to Marbury's family, etc. But they aren't doing that. They are denying anything is wrong and/or not commenting. So, yeah, I'd assume it's true that they mismanaged it. Perhaps no one told the bench. Or, no one passed on messages. Not because they wanted Marbury to play, per se, but because no one wanted to take responsibility. Certainly, no one is taking responsibility for making the Knicks seem humane, caring, and responsible about his dad's death. (Yeah, I guess that's a stretch.)
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12/3/2007  10:51 PM
Hmmm, well, the new Newsday article answers some questions but it doesn't fill in all the holes in the story. The story, according to Hahn, is that a member of Marbury's family asked the team to not tell Marbury that his father was heading to the hospital until after the game. And then a family friend met Marbury in the hall after the game to break the news. It's a little unclear what else was going on. Doesn't sound horrible but there's room in the story for more than a little, um, miscommunication.
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12/3/2007  11:27 PM
Well, regardless, I'm sorry for Marbury, and I'm sure we can agree that we all hope that the rumor about the team withdrawing information is completely false. In the teamtime, I am gonna think that it is false.
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