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holfresh
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11/26/2007  4:46 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by holfresh:

The reality of the situation is that this is the third team in a two months span of NBA play that has deemed him not ready for primetime...Had he gone to Europe, he would have gotten another shot at NBA ball in Knicks training camp next year, which would let the rest of the league see his game and how he improved...He would have been able to gained more confidence in his game and would have grown stronger for NBA action next year...He would have had a completely year to develop and work out physically for NBA action...

Now, if he doesn't show any signs in D-League he is done...He may not even get the look from Europe as if he was sponsored by Knicks for his one year stint...

This is the third NBA team, THREE, that thinks he isn't ready..But the UK mafia thinks outwise....Go figure...



[Edited by - holfresh on 11-26-2007 4:44 PM]

How do you figure three?

The first team traded him for a bag of chips...

Portland drafted him and traded him for next year's second round pick..





[Edited by - holfresh on 11-26-2007 4:51 PM]
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11/26/2007  4:50 PM
Posted by holfresh:

The reality of the situation is that this is the third team in a two months span of NBA play that has deemed him not ready for primetime...Had he gone to Europe, he would have gotten another shot at NBA ball in Knicks training camp next year, which would let the rest of the league see his game and how he improved...He would have been able to gained more confidence in his game and would have grown stronger for NBA action next year...He would have had a completely year to develop and work out physically for NBA action...

Now, if he doesn't show any signs in D-League he is done...He may not even get the look from Europe as if he was sponsored by Knicks for his one year stint...

This is the third NBA team, THREE, that thinks he isn't ready..But the UK mafia thinks outwise....Go figure...



[Edited by - holfresh on 11-26-2007 4:44 PM]

3rd team?

He's getting a shot at NBA ball this year. He's on the Cavs roster and is getting playing time under their supervision. Every team in the NBA is able to monitor his progress right now. Everything you're saying, is stuff that is happening for him now. So what's the problem?

And nobody said he was ready right now and certainly not for primetime. But he can be an asset and a decent player.
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11/26/2007  5:00 PM
The first team traded him for a bag of chips...

Portland drafted him and traded him for next year's second round pick..

[Edited by - holfresh on 11-26-2007 4:51 PM]

Right....Portland liked him and drafted him, and then had a late night workout and decided 3 hours later to give up on him. Do you actually believe that?

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11/26/2007  5:04 PM
Posted by holfresh:

The reality of the situation is that this is the third team in a two months span of NBA play that has deemed him not ready for primetime...Had he gone to Europe, he would have gotten another shot at NBA ball in Knicks training camp next year, which would let the rest of the league see his game and how he improved...He would have been able to gained more confidence in his game and would have grown stronger for NBA action next year...He would have had a completely year to develop and work out physically for NBA action...

Now, if he doesn't show any signs in D-League he is done...He may not even get the look from Europe as if he was sponsored by Knicks for his one year stint...

This is the third NBA team, THREE, that thinks he isn't ready..But the UK mafia thinks outwise....Go figure...

wow dude you're really stretching. portland basically got equal value draft night for him - 2nd rounder for a 2nd rounder. how does that reflect anything on him being ready or not? especially considering that their team is stocked with young players. did they even have a roster spot?

is it a bad thing that the guy is "not ready for primetime" in the first months of his *rookie* season? he will get an NBA shot this year.

it was a mistake to lose the guy. i don't know why this is still an argument.
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11/26/2007  5:04 PM
Good thing they were so fast at determining their error and could recover some value for him.

That's just plainly a ridiculous statement.
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11/26/2007  5:05 PM
Posted by holfresh:

The first team traded him for a bag of chips...

Portland drafted him and traded him for next year's second round pick..

we couldn't even get a bag of chips for him
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11/26/2007  5:05 PM

Watching him play in the limited action in the preseason, he has shown flashes but he isn't ready...He needs playing time to develop his game...He needs a few more pounds on his frame as well...Chandler and Balkman are both young and well ahead of him for this game...Had he agree to go to Europe to develop a bit, it would have been a coop for Isiah bringing him back next year...Didn't work out that way...

The kid feels he is ready and I wish him lots of luck...But going to D-League is not a good sign...It's telling you your game needs work and we can't use you at this time...I can't recall a guy bouncing back and forth from D-League making an impact on an NBA roster...I could be wrong tho...Wouldn't be the first time...
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11/26/2007  5:06 PM
Personally, I think NBDL is a good thing. All rookies should go there.
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11/26/2007  5:07 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by holfresh:

The reality of the situation is that this is the third team in a two months span of NBA play that has deemed him not ready for primetime...Had he gone to Europe, he would have gotten another shot at NBA ball in Knicks training camp next year, which would let the rest of the league see his game and how he improved...He would have been able to gained more confidence in his game and would have grown stronger for NBA action next year...He would have had a completely year to develop and work out physically for NBA action...

Now, if he doesn't show any signs in D-League he is done...He may not even get the look from Europe as if he was sponsored by Knicks for his one year stint...

This is the third NBA team, THREE, that thinks he isn't ready..But the UK mafia thinks outwise....Go figure...

wow dude you're really stretching. portland basically got equal value draft night for him - 2nd rounder for a 2nd rounder. how does that reflect anything on him being ready or not? especially considering that their team is stocked with young players. did they even have a roster spot?

is it a bad thing that the guy is "not ready for primetime" in the first months of his *rookie* season? he will get an NBA shot this year.

it was a mistake to lose the guy. i don't know why this is still an argument.

Because Lovers will do anything to rationalize Isiah throwing away assets for nothing.

Again, it's not even about Nichols. It's about trading away next years 2nd rd pick for a 2nd rd pick this year that they ended up throwing away for nothing. That's 2 wasted 2nd rd picks just tossed in the toilet.
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11/26/2007  5:09 PM
Isles, your math is as bad as holfresh's.
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11/26/2007  5:10 PM
This year's 2nd rounder stands to be a top 35 pick or so.
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11/26/2007  5:12 PM
http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/alltimecallups.html

Notice out of those who are not currently on an NBA roster there are many that are playing overseas....contradicting your theory that if he does not do well in the D league he may not get a chance at playing overseas.
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11/26/2007  5:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by holfresh:

The reality of the situation is that this is the third team in a two months span of NBA play that has deemed him not ready for primetime...Had he gone to Europe, he would have gotten another shot at NBA ball in Knicks training camp next year, which would let the rest of the league see his game and how he improved...He would have been able to gained more confidence in his game and would have grown stronger for NBA action next year...He would have had a completely year to develop and work out physically for NBA action...

Now, if he doesn't show any signs in D-League he is done...He may not even get the look from Europe as if he was sponsored by Knicks for his one year stint...

This is the third NBA team, THREE, that thinks he isn't ready..But the UK mafia thinks outwise....Go figure...

wow dude you're really stretching. portland basically got equal value draft night for him - 2nd rounder for a 2nd rounder. how does that reflect anything on him being ready or not? especially considering that their team is stocked with young players. did they even have a roster spot?

is it a bad thing that the guy is "not ready for primetime" in the first months of his *rookie* season? he will get an NBA shot this year.

it was a mistake to lose the guy. i don't know why this is still an argument.

Because Lovers will do anything to rationalize Isiah throwing away assets for nothing.

Again, it's not even about Nichols. It's about trading away next years 2nd rd pick for a 2nd rd pick this year that they ended up throwing away for nothing. That's 2 wasted 2nd rd picks just tossed in the toilet.

I'm having visions of all the Jackie Butler threads that strated when SA signed him...
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11/26/2007  5:18 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Watching him play in the limited action in the preseason, he has shown flashes but he isn't ready...He needs playing time to develop his game...He needs a few more pounds on his frame as well...Chandler and Balkman are both young and well ahead of him for this game...Had he agree to go to Europe to develop a bit, it would have been a coop for Isiah bringing him back next year...Didn't work out that way...

The kid feels he is ready and I wish him lots of luck...But going to D-League is not a good sign...It's telling you your game needs work and we can't use you at this time...I can't recall a guy bouncing back and forth from D-League making an impact on an NBA roster...I could be wrong tho...Wouldn't be the first time...

going to the D-league isn't the kiss of death you're making it out to be. i went looking for d-league call-ups, and incidentally this was on the NBA homepage from 5 minutes ago:

Celtics Recall Gabe Pruitt from D-League Flash

but anyway, here you go, the All-Time Gatorade Call-Ups:

http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/alltimecallups.html

some names like kelenna azubuike and chuck hayes, starting for very good teams. a lot of other recognizable names.

my point? D-League stints can be very brief, and good players can start out there.


[Edited by - Masterplan on 11-26-2007 5:20 PM]
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11/26/2007  5:22 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Watching him play in the limited action in the preseason, he has shown flashes but he isn't ready...He needs playing time to develop his game...He needs a few more pounds on his frame as well...Chandler and Balkman are both young and well ahead of him for this game...Had he agree to go to Europe to develop a bit, it would have been a coop for Isiah bringing him back next year...Didn't work out that way...

The kid feels he is ready and I wish him lots of luck...But going to D-League is not a good sign...It's telling you your game needs work and we can't use you at this time...I can't recall a guy bouncing back and forth from D-League making an impact on an NBA roster...I could be wrong tho...Wouldn't be the first time...


Why do you keep saying that Nichols isn't going to develop in the D-League?

Do you even know what the D stand for?

In terms of development, Balkman's game is all about energy and hustle. Nichols' is about shooting and learning about being a role player in a pro offense. That takes a lot more time to develop than what Balkman has had to do. You're comparing apples to oranges.

You think that being asked to go to D-League while keeping a roster spot on an NBA team isn't a good thing but being asked to go to Europe with no guarantees and no roster spot, is a no brainer of an opportunity?
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11/26/2007  5:22 PM
Bobby Simmons, Rafer Alston, Matt Carroll, Ime Udoka. All players who earned themselves good contracts after a stint in the d-league.
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11/26/2007  5:24 PM
Posted by Panos:

Isles, your math is as bad as holfresh's.

Why?

They traded next years 2nd rounder. That's 1 pick.

They threw away the pick they acquired by waiving Nichols in training camp for nothing. That's another pick.

Add it up and it's 2 picks wasted.
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11/26/2007  5:26 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Panos:

Isles, your math is as bad as holfresh's.

Why?

They traded next years 2nd rounder. That's 1 pick.

They threw away the pick they acquired by waiving Nichols in training camp for nothing. That's another pick.

Add it up and it's 2 picks wasted.

It's still net 1 pick.
You can either use this year's pick OR DNic, not both.
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11/26/2007  5:29 PM

Do I really have to search for the counter European list to make my point...I didn't say that DNick won't develop in the DLeague...My point was if he doesn't then he is done in the NBA and I think I said as much...
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11/26/2007  5:30 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Do I really have to search for the counter European list to make my point...I didn't say that DNick won't develop in the DLeague...My point was if he doesn't then he is done in the NBA and I think I said as much...

That's not much of a point. "If he doesn't develop, then he doesn't develop." No kidding.
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