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Klytus
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11/21/2007  12:49 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Klytus:

So some of you believe after years of losing with Isiah Thomas, Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford, they will magically start winning?

Yes that is what we feel.


Wow.
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11/21/2007  12:50 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Klytus:

How anyone can still have faith in these players is beyond me. I'm sure most of you grew up at least watching the Jeff Van Gundy, Patrick Ewing, Latrell Sprewell era. How can you not be disgusted by this team is just crazy. Forget firing Isiah Thomas. That's going to happen eventually. The big problem and challenge will be trading these losers. I'm talking about Eddy Curry, Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. These players cannot win. Red Holzman couldn't win with these players. They stink. I don't know what more prove you need. It's time to tear it down and start over.

Ahhhhh, our newest Celtic fan. The true fans still have faith in the KNicks because they are the Knicks. And we fully expect them to right the ship and get back on track. I feel that you should tell me why this is wrong

Once the dust settles. Right?

Yes, it's "once the dust settles". It's in the friggin manual. Dude I can't keep helping you like this. You have to start studying. It's on page 47 about half way down the page under the heading "CRAZY SH$T ThAT ISIAH WANTS US TO SAY". Item number 2, right after, "we are a play or two away from being x-y"(Note: Y=current amount of losses, X=current amount of wins)

I can't keep covering for you like this. We are going to get in trouble.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-11-2007 12:41 PM]

How about this then:

I feel that often, during the course of the game, the team might get off track, and it's Isiah's job to get the guys together and explain the proper way to do things in order to right the ship. Once the dust settles, I feel that the team will get back on track. I'm not saying these are the perfect bunch of guys, but this is a weird season where several teams have not done as well as expected. But I don't understand why people keep saying we don't have good players. I really feel that we have a great bunch of guys here and that we are a championship team, that, once the dust settles, will right the ship and get back on track.
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11/21/2007  12:50 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by BasketballJones:

There's NOTHING wrong with the STRUCTURAL integrity of this team. This is a championship team that Isiah has BROUGHT together. We know that they're not perfect, but, as you know, other teams have also had a bad start this SEASON.

Very funny. If you want to make fun of my posting style and not actually make any substantive points, that's fine.

How about this? No one has said that there's nothing wrong with the team's structural make up. We all know that there are some issues. There are also some possible answers to those issues. How many teams are actually constructed in a prototypical way? Not many and yet they still find ways to work around that. It's not impossible. Isiah or any coach's job is to find ways to make it work. The Bulls have no post game and right now they're not able to make it work, but in the past they actually did. GS has an unusual roster of guards and SF's and yet they made it work last year. Don't tell me that we can't make things work here with the right moves.
I think EVERYONE is saying that.. the moves are dump Marbury, Curry, Crawford, Mardy, Jerome, Malik, Q and Jefferies.

That leaves Zach (productive), Nate, Morris (potential), Balkman, Chandler, Jones and Lee (two way hustle). See what you have there. Target high ceiling players in the draft and use our resources to add players other teams may not be able to afford. No more long term bad contracts attached to players no other team wants. Only bring in high IQ two way players that are dedicated

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11/21/2007  12:53 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Klytus:

How anyone can still have faith in these players is beyond me. I'm sure most of you grew up at least watching the Jeff Van Gundy, Patrick Ewing, Latrell Sprewell era. How can you not be disgusted by this team is just crazy. Forget firing Isiah Thomas. That's going to happen eventually. The big problem and challenge will be trading these losers. I'm talking about Eddy Curry, Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. These players cannot win. Red Holzman couldn't win with these players. They stink. I don't know what more prove you need. It's time to tear it down and start over.

Ahhhhh, our newest Celtic fan. The true fans still have faith in the KNicks because they are the Knicks. And we fully expect them to right the ship and get back on track. I feel that you should tell me why this is wrong

Once the dust settles. Right?

Yes, it's "once the dust settles". It's in the friggin manual. Dude I can't keep helping you like this. You have to start studying. It's on page 47 about half way down the page under the heading "CRAZY SH$T ThAT ISIAH WANTS US TO SAY". Item number 2, right after, "we are a play or two away from being x-y"(Note: Y=current amount of losses, X=current amount of wins)

I can't keep covering for you like this. We are going to get in trouble.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-11-2007 12:41 PM]

How about this then:

I feel that often, during the course of the game, the team might get off track, and it's Isiah's job to get the guys together and explain the proper way to do things in order to right the ship. Once the dust settles, I feel that the team will get back on track. I'm not saying these are the perfect bunch of guys, but this is a weird season where several teams have not done as well as expected. But I don't understand why people keep saying we don't have good players. I really feel that we have a great bunch of guys here and that we are a championship team, that, once the dust settles, will right the ship and get back on track.

Much better. Just remember to study this weekend over the Thanksgiving Holidays. I have a feeling that there are going to be a whole lot of new stuff we are going to have to say come Monday. The Dust Settling might be obsolete by then. Hopefully "The One" will keep us updated.
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11/21/2007  12:53 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Klytus:

How anyone can still have faith in these players is beyond me. I'm sure most of you grew up at least watching the Jeff Van Gundy, Patrick Ewing, Latrell Sprewell era. How can you not be disgusted by this team is just crazy. Forget firing Isiah Thomas. That's going to happen eventually. The big problem and challenge will be trading these losers. I'm talking about Eddy Curry, Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. These players cannot win. Red Holzman couldn't win with these players. They stink. I don't know what more prove you need. It's time to tear it down and start over.

Ahhhhh, our newest Celtic fan. The true fans still have faith in the KNicks because they are the Knicks. And we fully expect them to right the ship and get back on track. I feel that you should tell me why this is wrong

Once the dust settles. Right?

Yes, it's "once the dust settles". It's in the friggin manual. Dude I can't keep helping you like this. You have to start studying. It's on page 47 about half way down the page under the heading "CRAZY SH$T ThAT ISIAH WANTS US TO SAY". Item number 2, right after, "we are a play or two away from being x-y"(Note: Y=current amount of losses, X=current amount of wins)

I can't keep covering for you like this. We are going to get in trouble.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-11-2007 12:41 PM]

How about this then:

I feel that often, during the course of the game, the team might get off track, and it's Isiah's job to get the guys together and explain the proper way to do things in order to right the ship. Once the dust settles, I feel that the team will get back on track. I'm not saying these are the perfect bunch of guys, but this is a weird season where several teams have not done as well as expected. But I don't understand why people keep saying we don't have good players. I really feel that we have a great bunch of guys here and that we are a championship team, that, once the dust settles, will right the ship and get back on track.

Championship? LOL They struggle to win 33 games!! WOw...some of you are just crazy. Dust settles? Back to track? BACK? When have they EVER been on track? What games are you guys watching?
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11/21/2007  12:57 PM
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11/21/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by Klytus:

So some of you believe after years of losing with Isiah Thomas, Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford, they will magically start winning?

What evidence do you have that this can't happen

Peter Pan once said:
"I believe I can fly, I believe I can touch the sky"

Just win baby. Smile, Klytus, Smile. It's just basketball.
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11/21/2007  12:58 PM
Posted by Klytus:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Klytus:

How anyone can still have faith in these players is beyond me. I'm sure most of you grew up at least watching the Jeff Van Gundy, Patrick Ewing, Latrell Sprewell era. How can you not be disgusted by this team is just crazy. Forget firing Isiah Thomas. That's going to happen eventually. The big problem and challenge will be trading these losers. I'm talking about Eddy Curry, Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. These players cannot win. Red Holzman couldn't win with these players. They stink. I don't know what more prove you need. It's time to tear it down and start over.

Ahhhhh, our newest Celtic fan. The true fans still have faith in the KNicks because they are the Knicks. And we fully expect them to right the ship and get back on track. I feel that you should tell me why this is wrong

Once the dust settles. Right?

Yes, it's "once the dust settles". It's in the friggin manual. Dude I can't keep helping you like this. You have to start studying. It's on page 47 about half way down the page under the heading "CRAZY SH$T ThAT ISIAH WANTS US TO SAY". Item number 2, right after, "we are a play or two away from being x-y"(Note: Y=current amount of losses, X=current amount of wins)

I can't keep covering for you like this. We are going to get in trouble.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-11-2007 12:41 PM]

How about this then:

I feel that often, during the course of the game, the team might get off track, and it's Isiah's job to get the guys together and explain the proper way to do things in order to right the ship. Once the dust settles, I feel that the team will get back on track. I'm not saying these are the perfect bunch of guys, but this is a weird season where several teams have not done as well as expected. But I don't understand why people keep saying we don't have good players. I really feel that we have a great bunch of guys here and that we are a championship team, that, once the dust settles, will right the ship and get back on track.

Championship? LOL They struggle to win 33 games!! WOw...some of you are just crazy. Dust settles? Back to track? BACK? When have they EVER been on track? What games are you guys watching?

We're watching the Knicks, but not blinded by hate like some posters. Our guys aren't perfect, but they're a good bunch of guys and a championship team. We just need to stay the course. It's on the coaching staff. Isiah needs stress limiting turnovers and passing the ball. If he does this, I really believe the team will get back on track. Once the dust settles, I think the strength of this team is gonna show.
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11/21/2007  1:00 PM
Posted by Klytus:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Klytus:

How anyone can still have faith in these players is beyond me. I'm sure most of you grew up at least watching the Jeff Van Gundy, Patrick Ewing, Latrell Sprewell era. How can you not be disgusted by this team is just crazy. Forget firing Isiah Thomas. That's going to happen eventually. The big problem and challenge will be trading these losers. I'm talking about Eddy Curry, Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. These players cannot win. Red Holzman couldn't win with these players. They stink. I don't know what more prove you need. It's time to tear it down and start over.

Ahhhhh, our newest Celtic fan. The true fans still have faith in the KNicks because they are the Knicks. And we fully expect them to right the ship and get back on track. I feel that you should tell me why this is wrong

Once the dust settles. Right?

Yes, it's "once the dust settles". It's in the friggin manual. Dude I can't keep helping you like this. You have to start studying. It's on page 47 about half way down the page under the heading "CRAZY SH$T ThAT ISIAH WANTS US TO SAY". Item number 2, right after, "we are a play or two away from being x-y"(Note: Y=current amount of losses, X=current amount of wins)

I can't keep covering for you like this. We are going to get in trouble.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-11-2007 12:41 PM]

How about this then:

I feel that often, during the course of the game, the team might get off track, and it's Isiah's job to get the guys together and explain the proper way to do things in order to right the ship. Once the dust settles, I feel that the team will get back on track. I'm not saying these are the perfect bunch of guys, but this is a weird season where several teams have not done as well as expected. But I don't understand why people keep saying we don't have good players. I really feel that we have a great bunch of guys here and that we are a championship team, that, once the dust settles, will right the ship and get back on track.

Championship? LOL They struggle to win 33 games!! WOw...some of you are just crazy. Dust settles? Back to track? BACK? When have they EVER been on track? What games are you guys watching?

Sorry, Klytus, you're new around here. Don't deserved to get jerked around like this.
Bip and BBJ are just sarcastically mocking some of the other posters around here.
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11/21/2007  1:02 PM
Posted by Klytus:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Klytus:

How anyone can still have faith in these players is beyond me. I'm sure most of you grew up at least watching the Jeff Van Gundy, Patrick Ewing, Latrell Sprewell era. How can you not be disgusted by this team is just crazy. Forget firing Isiah Thomas. That's going to happen eventually. The big problem and challenge will be trading these losers. I'm talking about Eddy Curry, Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. These players cannot win. Red Holzman couldn't win with these players. They stink. I don't know what more prove you need. It's time to tear it down and start over.

Ahhhhh, our newest Celtic fan. The true fans still have faith in the KNicks because they are the Knicks. And we fully expect them to right the ship and get back on track. I feel that you should tell me why this is wrong

Once the dust settles. Right?

Yes, it's "once the dust settles". It's in the friggin manual. Dude I can't keep helping you like this. You have to start studying. It's on page 47 about half way down the page under the heading "CRAZY SH$T ThAT ISIAH WANTS US TO SAY". Item number 2, right after, "we are a play or two away from being x-y"(Note: Y=current amount of losses, X=current amount of wins)

I can't keep covering for you like this. We are going to get in trouble.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-11-2007 12:41 PM]

How about this then:

I feel that often, during the course of the game, the team might get off track, and it's Isiah's job to get the guys together and explain the proper way to do things in order to right the ship. Once the dust settles, I feel that the team will get back on track. I'm not saying these are the perfect bunch of guys, but this is a weird season where several teams have not done as well as expected. But I don't understand why people keep saying we don't have good players. I really feel that we have a great bunch of guys here and that we are a championship team, that, once the dust settles, will right the ship and get back on track.

Championship? LOL They struggle to win 33 games!! WOw...some of you are just crazy. Dust settles? Back to track? BACK? When have they EVER been on track? What games are you guys watching?

Klytus, no need to insult the guy. I know Basketball Jones pretty well and HE IS NOT CRAZY.

I think that what you fail to see is that the team is just down right now. It's been a tough beginning and things just need to settle down. We need the media off the players backs and to stop instigating the fans. Once that occurs and everything begins to get back on track we will be able to see what this team is really made of. This is what happened last year after "the fight" and I fully expect that to happen this year. Now BJones was being sarcastic when he said championship(he gets excited) but I fully beleive and sense that he feels the same way I do on this subject

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11/21/2007  1:03 PM
Thank God this isn't real then. LOL
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11/21/2007  1:05 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Klytus:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Klytus:

How anyone can still have faith in these players is beyond me. I'm sure most of you grew up at least watching the Jeff Van Gundy, Patrick Ewing, Latrell Sprewell era. How can you not be disgusted by this team is just crazy. Forget firing Isiah Thomas. That's going to happen eventually. The big problem and challenge will be trading these losers. I'm talking about Eddy Curry, Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. These players cannot win. Red Holzman couldn't win with these players. They stink. I don't know what more prove you need. It's time to tear it down and start over.

Ahhhhh, our newest Celtic fan. The true fans still have faith in the KNicks because they are the Knicks. And we fully expect them to right the ship and get back on track. I feel that you should tell me why this is wrong

Once the dust settles. Right?

Yes, it's "once the dust settles". It's in the friggin manual. Dude I can't keep helping you like this. You have to start studying. It's on page 47 about half way down the page under the heading "CRAZY SH$T ThAT ISIAH WANTS US TO SAY". Item number 2, right after, "we are a play or two away from being x-y"(Note: Y=current amount of losses, X=current amount of wins)

I can't keep covering for you like this. We are going to get in trouble.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-11-2007 12:41 PM]

How about this then:

I feel that often, during the course of the game, the team might get off track, and it's Isiah's job to get the guys together and explain the proper way to do things in order to right the ship. Once the dust settles, I feel that the team will get back on track. I'm not saying these are the perfect bunch of guys, but this is a weird season where several teams have not done as well as expected. But I don't understand why people keep saying we don't have good players. I really feel that we have a great bunch of guys here and that we are a championship team, that, once the dust settles, will right the ship and get back on track.

Championship? LOL They struggle to win 33 games!! WOw...some of you are just crazy. Dust settles? Back to track? BACK? When have they EVER been on track? What games are you guys watching?

Sorry, Klytus, you're new around here. Don't deserved to get jerked around like this.
Bip and BBJ are just sarcastically mocking some of the other posters around here.

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11/21/2007  1:05 PM
This is really just sad now. It's one thing for the team to be this bad, but why is it now necessary for so many of us to be painting such a false picture of what others have been saying. No one has ever mentioned championships. The only thing we've been looking for is that this team can make progress from the year before and make the playoffs. There were no higher expectations before the season or during it. The goal for this season remains the same. Let's not try to create opinons that never existed.

This team came into the season needing to improve and wasnt a finished title contending product. It's an outright lie to suggest that anyone here felt differently. Being optimistic isn't the same as saying we expect a title contender. What's wrong with taking steps each season towards improving the roster? I felt we did that and I still feel that we did and we should expect this team to be playing much better than this. After 10 games are you all suggesting that it's impossible now?

As for what track we're supposed to be on, i'd say where the team was before the injuries last year. The team was improving each month up until that happened. This team should be capable of playing .500 ball or better with the talent we have.
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11/21/2007  1:07 PM
Posted by nixluva:

This is really just sad now. It's one thing for the team to be this bad, but why is it now necessary for so many of us to be painting such a false picture of what others have been saying. No one has ever mentioned championships. The only thing we've been looking for is that this team can make progress from the year before and make the playoffs. There were no higher expectations before the season or during it. The goal for this season remains the same. Let's not try to create opinons that never existed.

This team came into the season needing to improve and wasnt a finished title contending product. It's an outright lie to suggest that anyone here felt differently. Being optimistic isn't the same as saying we expect a title contender. What's wrong with taking steps each season towards improving the roster? I felt we did that and I still feel that we did and we should expect this team to be playing much better than this. After 10 games are you all suggesting that it's impossible now?

As for what track we're supposed to be on, i'd say where the team was before the injuries last year. The team was improving each month up until that happened. This team should be capable of playing .500 ball or better with the talent we have.

Don't make me go back and find the post where you said the Knicks are a championship team. It was last year some time.
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11/21/2007  1:11 PM
Posted by nixluva:

This is really just sad now. It's one thing for the team to be this bad, but why is it now necessary for so many of us to be painting such a false picture of what others have been saying. No one has ever mentioned championships. The only thing we've been looking for is that this team can make progress from the year before and make the playoffs. There were no higher expectations before the season or during it. The goal for this season remains the same. Let's not try to create opinons that never existed.

This team came into the season needing to improve and wasnt a finished title contending product. It's an outright lie to suggest that anyone here felt differently. Being optimistic isn't the same as saying we expect a title contender. What's wrong with taking steps each season towards improving the roster? I felt we did that and I still feel that we did and we should expect this team to be playing much better than this. After 10 games are you all suggesting that it's impossible now?

As for what track we're supposed to be on, i'd say where the team was before the injuries last year. The team was improving each month up until that happened. This team should be capable of playing .500 ball or better with the talent we have.

Having 3 seasons of seeing the same thing from this core, at what point do you say to yourself "maybe it's not the coaching"?

YOu don't seem to want to break up the core. That's fine. As a GM I'm curious what moves would you make to improve this current cast?

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11/21/2007  1:46 PM
Posted by nixluva:

This is really just sad now. It's one thing for the team to be this bad, but why is it now necessary for so many of us to be painting such a false picture of what others have been saying. No one has ever mentioned championships. The only thing we've been looking for is that this team can make progress from the year before and make the playoffs. There were no higher expectations before the season or during it. The goal for this season remains the same. Let's not try to create opinons that never existed.

This team came into the season needing to improve and wasnt a finished title contending product. It's an outright lie to suggest that anyone here felt differently. Being optimistic isn't the same as saying we expect a title contender. What's wrong with taking steps each season towards improving the roster? I felt we did that and I still feel that we did and we should expect this team to be playing much better than this. After 10 games are you all suggesting that it's impossible now?

As for what track we're supposed to be on, i'd say where the team was before the injuries last year. The team was improving each month up until that happened. This team should be capable of playing .500 ball or better with the talent we have.

The goal for this season remains the same.

Fire Isiah, get read of Steph, Eddy, Craf, Q, Jerom, Jeffies, and Malik
We also added tasks of getting read of Zack and Fred
We have a lot of things to do.
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11/21/2007  3:36 PM
Posted by nixluva:

This is really just sad now. It's one thing for the team to be this bad, but why is it now necessary for so many of us to be painting such a false picture of what others have been saying. No one has ever mentioned championships. The only thing we've been looking for is that this team can make progress from the year before and make the playoffs. There were no higher expectations before the season or during it. The goal for this season remains the same. Let's not try to create opinons that never existed.

This team came into the season needing to improve and wasnt a finished title contending product. It's an outright lie to suggest that anyone here felt differently. Being optimistic isn't the same as saying we expect a title contender. What's wrong with taking steps each season towards improving the roster? I felt we did that and I still feel that we did and we should expect this team to be playing much better than this. After 10 games are you all suggesting that it's impossible now?

As for what track we're supposed to be on, i'd say where the team was before the injuries last year. The team was improving each month up until that happened. This team should be capable of playing .500 ball or better with the talent we have.

Give us a break Nixluva. Just be a man.
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11/21/2007  3:42 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by nixluva:

This is really just sad now. It's one thing for the team to be this bad, but why is it now necessary for so many of us to be painting such a false picture of what others have been saying. No one has ever mentioned championships. The only thing we've been looking for is that this team can make progress from the year before and make the playoffs. There were no higher expectations before the season or during it. The goal for this season remains the same. Let's not try to create opinons that never existed.

This team came into the season needing to improve and wasnt a finished title contending product. It's an outright lie to suggest that anyone here felt differently. Being optimistic isn't the same as saying we expect a title contender. What's wrong with taking steps each season towards improving the roster? I felt we did that and I still feel that we did and we should expect this team to be playing much better than this. After 10 games are you all suggesting that it's impossible now?

As for what track we're supposed to be on, i'd say where the team was before the injuries last year. The team was improving each month up until that happened. This team should be capable of playing .500 ball or better with the talent we have.

Don't make me go back and find the post where you said the Knicks are a championship team. It was last year some time.
GO FIND IT!!! CUZ THAT'S A LIE!!!! I've never said that about this team. Who would?
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11/21/2007  3:43 PM
it's OK to be wrong & own up to it... u gain more respect that way than to keep trying to spin your way out of any arguments presented against you... i don't see how anyone could possibly think this collection of players is in a position to improve as a unit w/o any major tinkering done to revamp the personnel & management.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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