Bitty I know I am right on this one. I am even surprised you know what Iona is pretty impressive.

Posted by Bonn1997:

He hasn't done anything cancer like so that tag doesn't apply.

People are always on their best behavior in the beginning.
All he does well is rebound.

Bonn admit it almost anyone the Knicks got you would have hated it? Look I could hate with the best of them just ask Silverfuel and Hardcore but even I sometimes can look past all the crap that is surrouding the Knicks and acknowledge when a player has something valuable to contribute. He does have value and does have the skill set right now its just about him finding his groove amongst this mess. But you talk about this guy like he's the one causing all the off-court scandal. Put your hate where it belongs thats all I ask for. Bob creates thread after thread talking about how Zach brings nothing to the table but a bad attitude and bad team. How about focusing on the real "cancer" Stephon Marbury and Isiah Thomas.

So we fleeced Portland giving away a bust lottery pick and a cancer for a 20/10 guy. I have a feeling Kevin Pritchard is smoking cigars and telling everyone the Knicks we dumb enough to take Zach and add 24 million in salary.

The games we were without Zach the team looked abysmal. Sorry, this cat can play. Are you guys actually watching him? He may be a bit of a black hole, but on this team you kind of can't blame him since he's the most reliable scorer we have. I'd like to see him fall less in love with the jumper, but he has an incredible knack for getting in position to board and is very nifty in the post. He's had a double double in every game, made some key baskets, and rebounds, and all he is is an empty stat line?

Hey, I'm down on the team more now too, but he's been our best player. His FG % is low, but the last two games he has shot an awful percentage (31%) compared to 44% in the first 4 games. Not up to his career average of 46%, but with such a high volume of jumpers it's not too shocking, and maybe he deserves some slack considering the loss.

I think his defense has been better than I expected, mostly as a help defender, but because we don't have a shot blocker isn't his fault. I also felt that Eddy was following his lead with the work habit in the first few games, but then by he missing the Miami game and the Sac game we suffered big time when we needed his go ability at the end in each. Maybe we would have still lost, but I'd at least prefer him having it late in the Miami game than what happened.

So far my sense is that he's helping us more than hurting by a pretty good margain, and he may not be completely acclimated yet. Problem is there are so many other issues with the team that his contributions are getting lost. And there is no sense from what we've heard thus far that he has been a cancer at all, so I dunno where that comes from now.

Posted by Bonn1997:

He hasn't done anything cancer like so that tag doesn't apply.

People are always on their best behavior in the beginning.
All he does well is rebound.

1) This speculation has nothing to do with what has actually transpired with his behavior. Should we hold every person's past behavior as a young person against them forever, especially when we have no recent indication of the past behavior being repeated?

2) You surely stand in a lonely place with this assessment, and I'm not even talking about Knick fans.

Posted by Masterplan:

ha iona... man i'm glad i didn't listen to friends from back home and pick them to upset LSU that year...

We didn't have the juice to deal with LSU that year and now our men's program has gone in the toliet siince Burtt left.

Posted by nixluva:

I really can't believe the offbase opinions of Zach i'm reading. The guy is not even playing as well a he can and is still a top rebounder in the league and when he's not dead tired and rusty from not playing, burying a love one and flying cross country, he's a top offensive player too.

He hasn't done anything cancer like so that tag doesn't apply. He's been giving max effort, so how is it that he's not a plus for this team when we get the other players doing their job right? You guys are freakin unbelievable. Just cuz the team is losing doesn't mean you have to paint everyone on the team in a bad light. PJ Brown, NOah and Thomas? You mean the same Noah and THomas who aren't helping their Bulls team to win? Give me a break. What is their excuse? What is the Nets excuse? Honestly if you can't understand why Zach isn't at his best then I can't help you.

You're right Nix once the dust settles Zach will be a 30pt/25reb player by season's end. Your Pie Hole is filled with Excrement 24/7. And the Nets haven't had Vince Carter for 5gms.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by nixluva:

I really can't believe the offbase opinions of Zach i'm reading. The guy is not even playing as well a he can and is still a top rebounder in the league and when he's not dead tired and rusty from not playing, burying a love one and flying cross country, he's a top offensive player too.

He hasn't done anything cancer like so that tag doesn't apply. He's been giving max effort, so how is it that he's not a plus for this team when we get the other players doing their job right? You guys are freakin unbelievable. Just cuz the team is losing doesn't mean you have to paint everyone on the team in a bad light. PJ Brown, NOah and Thomas? You mean the same Noah and THomas who aren't helping their Bulls team to win? Give me a break. What is their excuse? What is the Nets excuse? Honestly if you can't understand why Zach isn't at his best then I can't help you.

You're right Nix once the dust settles Zach will be a 30pt/25reb player by season's end. Your Pie Hole is filled with Excrement 24/7. And the Nets haven't had Vince Carter for 5gms.

And if we didn't have one of our top players for 5 games and lost every one what would you say to that?...

"No excuses?"

btw - I do say the Knicks need to win games this year

Yea this is very faulty reasoning oh wow the Blazers won 4 games this season. Two seasons after Steve Nash left the Mavs went to the Finals so that reasoning isn't really a exact science.

Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Masterplan:

ha iona... man i'm glad i didn't listen to friends from back home and pick them to upset LSU that year...

We didn't have the juice to deal with LSU that year and now our men's program has gone in the toliet siince Burtt left.

my impression was that iona was a one-man team going up against LSU's bruising frontline. iona usually has trouble getting even one quality big body up front, right?

We're not getting anyone quality at any position these days. Most of Iona's good players in recent years were guards its tough getting a solid big man. While I was there Greg Jenkins who played on the same high school team has Ben Gordon was there but he had some injuries that slowed his progress.

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by nixluva:

I really can't believe the offbase opinions of Zach i'm reading. The guy is not even playing as well a he can and is still a top rebounder in the league and when he's not dead tired and rusty from not playing, burying a love one and flying cross country, he's a top offensive player too.

He hasn't done anything cancer like so that tag doesn't apply. He's been giving max effort, so how is it that he's not a plus for this team when we get the other players doing their job right? You guys are freakin unbelievable. Just cuz the team is losing doesn't mean you have to paint everyone on the team in a bad light. PJ Brown, NOah and Thomas? You mean the same Noah and THomas who aren't helping their Bulls team to win? Give me a break. What is their excuse? What is the Nets excuse? Honestly if you can't understand why Zach isn't at his best then I can't help you.

You're right Nix once the dust settles Zach will be a 30pt/25reb player by season's end. Your Pie Hole is filled with Excrement 24/7. And the Nets haven't had Vince Carter for 5gms.

And if we didn't have one of our top players for 5 games and lost every one what would you say to that?...

"No excuses?"

btw - I do say the Knicks need to win games this year

The Knicks are .500 with Zach and the Nets are 2gms above .500 with Carter is all I'm saying. The comparison is tolerable at this point to teams that are failing at full strength(which he did with the Bulls). Although they get into funks and come out of them we don't. Most of us had the Bulls as middle of the pack playoff team team anyway with potential upside. Even with all that said We're still behind the Nets which is comical. Nothing like looking at someone else's misfortunes so we can console ourselves with our own. Exhibit Z of lowering the bar.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 11-20-2007 11:26 AM]