Posted by oohah:

You make some very good points Oohah. Kind of ****s up my whole point here. So with that' I'll just say 'what is the point then, of being a New York fan of anything here if thats' the way it's gonna be'? For a City that has nearly 50 championship teams, that can be traced all the way back to the late 1800's (baseball), I think you fail to appreciate what we have to build on here. And if I might add, the nearly 50 is a lot more than any other United State (and Canadian) team in any league. As a matter of fact, I think boston is second, with 30-something crowns. New York has a very rich history deep seeded in sports and yes 'we break them in'. You have a problem with that?

I don't see how past championships help the Knicks build anything. But if you can explain it to me, I'm all ears.

I really don't think running player after player and coach after coach out of town in every sport is the same thing as "breaking them in". Most of the time those same players and coaches go off and excel right after they leave here.

It really doesn't matter what I think of the putrid behavior of NYC sports fans. It is what it is: The New York Fan generally has an extremely short memory, is disloyal, and has irrational expectations. That is why superstar players like Ewing and Jeter, Clyde Frazier, etc. have all been booed here, and you don't get better sports stars than that.

[quote]You'd never know if Bynum would have survived here or not. But we'll never know, because we didn't get that chance. You make a point that Frye has thrived in Portland (barely), but the reason why that team is 1 game out of first, behind Denver is because of the entire team effort. Actually, it's more like 6, 7 guys ahead of him. In L.A., Bynum is one of three guys who put the team where they're at now. Don't be delusional. Tell ya what. In about another 20 games, I'll take another look at your theory and make comparisons again. If Frye was too fragile to play in New York (and that's the point you make) then I'm glad he's long gone. You'd have to be very stupid not to take Bynum and that's just what your boy Isiah did.

I don't know how you could have missed the point so badly. Frye had a very good rookie season. He played a role that wasn't fit for him last ear, and he wasn't nearly as bad at it as people made him out to be. He played shooting guard about as well as a 6'11' power forward could. I really don't see that he was too fragile to play in New York based on his numbers.

By characterizing Frye as "too fragile" to play here, you make my point for me. Frye's numbers were better than Bynum's over the past 2 seasons. So Based on Bynums numbers over his first 2 seasons, one can easily see that he would have been killed in the press, on basketball message boards, talk radio, whatever medium people think counts. He would have been called a bust after his less than 2 point, 2 rebound rookie season. And he got those numbers playing with the best player in the game and one of the best coaches in history.

I guess your theory is that had Bynum been playing in New York, he would have put up the numbers he is this season the last 2 seasons? Or is it that averaging less than 2 and 2, and last year 7 and 5, the fans would have gone easy on him?

Now who is delusional?

Further delusion is to think that the Laker's success has to do with 3 guys. It has to do with one guy: Kobe Bryant. You take him off that team and they are a 20 game winner, if they are lucky. And Bynum won't be open for alley-oop dunks all day because he wouldn't have Kobe taking 3 defensive players, so you can scratch off a lot of his effectiveness right there. And Odom has never been a team leader or able to bear the brunt of being the star at any point in his career.

oohah




oohah---after reading some of your posts I wouldn't be calling other people delusional. I can't go through every absurd comment you have made in this and several of your last threads--but I will leave it at this. I've been a Knick fan a long time like a lot of people here. Most rookies/young players are given a long slack line, especially in their first year. I haven't seen to many stories on Balkman Chandler Morris Collins--have you? Isiah Thomas put a huge target on Frye[who was a four year college player vs a high school player]calling him a version of Tim Duncan and that he would've taken him with pick 1 etc. again he set the bar for the fans. If we did take Bynum and proclaimed that he would be a work in progress because of his age/experience--that it would take time for his development but feel his upside is worthy of the wait. We feel he can be a player who can help us to a champiosnhip one day and that it is very difficult to find 7 footers with his skills--so we as an organization are willing to go that route. What fan would argue or boo that line of thinking? Woody Allen?

You take Odom and Bynum out of the Laker lineup and LA is 10-19 not 19-10. Kobe needs those players as much as those players need him--why--it's called a team.

oohah---after reading some of your posts I wouldn't be calling other people delusional. I can't go through every absurd comment you have made in this and several of your last threads--but I will leave it at this. I've been a Knick fan a long time like a lot of people here. Most rookies/young players are given a long slack line, especially in their first year. I haven't seen to many stories on Balkman Chandler Morris Collins--have you? Isiah Thomas put a huge target on Frye[who was a four year college player vs a high school player]calling him a version of Tim Duncan and that he would've taken him with pick 1 etc. again he set the bar for the fans. If we did take Bynum and proclaimed that he would be a work in progress because of his age/experience--that it would take time for his development but feel his upside is worthy of the wait. We feel he can be a player who can help us to a champiosnhip one day and that it is very difficult to find 7 footers with his skills--so we as an organization are willing to go that route. What fan would argue or boo that line of thinking? Woody Allen?

You take Odom and Bynum out of the Laker lineup and LA is 10-19 not 19-10. Kobe needs those players as much as those players need him--why--it's called a team.

Thank you for not calling me delusional Briggs, I'll do you the same courtesy. I know you like Bynum because he was supposed to go to Uconn and all, but you are painting a rose-colored view of playing in NYC.

First, to compare the fan expectations of Collins, Morris, and Balkman to what would have been expected from Bynum is your first questionable point. You're comparing a player who would have been tagged as "the future" to 2 late-first round picks and another similar pickup. Are you serious? It's apples and oranges.

And did you forget the booing of Balkman on draft night? Yeah, NYC fans are renowned for being patient and fair with young players!

Your second questionable point is your description of why NYC fans would have given Bynum a break. You say Isiah Thomas put a huge target on Frye's back? What the hell do you think Bynum would have had on his back as he averaged less than 2 points and 2 rebounds as a rookie? As he averaged 7 and 6 as a sophomore player?

Yes, I am certain the fans would say: "Give the kid a break! can't you see he is a work in progress?" Because that always happens in New York. Give me a break.

Eddy Curry was the most dominant post-player in the NBA last season. This year he started out strong. 15 games later he is routinely booed. Patience in NYC? That's a fantasy. There. I just disproved your theory.

So Bynum would have been a work in progress? Yes, and the fans would have been very patient with him!!! Who are you fooling? You think Thomas could have managed expectations for Bynum? Come on. Any time he tries to manage expectations in any way for this team he is scorned. It would have been the same with Bynum.

Your assertion that NYC fans would have been patient with Bynum if Thomas let us all know that he is a work in progress, and that the fans would have sit back and gone easy on him because we all know that he is a work in progress etc., makes me wonder if you have been watching the New York Sports scene for very long.

oohah

I would like to bring up some important facts to the few who think Channing Frye has been a factor in Portlands recent success.

They aren't exactly an under .500 team, but they aren't that great of a team either. Definately not one of the top teams in the league and Frye barely has anything to do with it. Here's why:

In they're last 16 games, the Trail Blazers are 51-1

Pretty impressive from a statistical point of view. But look closely:

Of the 15 wins, 8 of those where against teams, mostly well under .500.

Of the other seven wins, four of those are mediocre teams.

The other three wins are impressive, with wins over Denver (twice) and N.O.

Here's the important factor in they're schedule.

During this run, they haven't had to play the top teams in the league, including:
Boston
Detroit
Orlando
San Antonio
Dallas
Phoenix &
Lakers

So as you can see, they've had it pretty easy with the schedule and again, I will add that Frye has had barely little, if anything to do with it. To be fare, his minutes have been a bit down sized, but still his numbers are still down from his New York numbers, let alone his potential which still hasn't seen the light of day.

So much for pressure in New York. I still say Bynum was the guy we should of got and he would have been fine here.

Whatever that' means?

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Posted by 4949:

Whatever that' means?

That's what she said.

Your getting stranger by the post.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by 4949:

Whatever that' means?

That's what she said.

Your getting stranger by the post.

Post? Post Office! I dunno, I'm just bored.

I understand.