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11/16/2007  4:34 PM
i can see it now... Yankees sign Gagne, Muts sign Mariano... Yankee haters would be dancing in the streets.
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11/16/2007  4:36 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Mets will put all their eggs in the basket for Santana.

unless the Mets are ready to part w/Jose Reyes, they have nothing that will trump an offer the Yankees can make... Lastings Milledge is severely overrated, & no longer holds the trade value he once did... if MIN is going to trade Santana, i have to believe the Yankees will be the ones making the biggest offer to get him unless BOS somehow decides to give up their top young kids to get him, which i don't think they're going to do.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-16-2007 1:37 PM]
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11/16/2007  4:41 PM
I'm not sure the Yankees will want to part with as much to get Santana, though they have the better pieces. Yanks have indicated that they will be more apt to holding onto prospects.

Mets I think would be willing to part with young major leagues like Milledge and Maine in addition to prospects.
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11/16/2007  4:42 PM
Posted by TMS:

i can see it now... Yankees sign Gagne, Muts sign Mariano... Yankee haters would be dancing in the streets.

I highly doubt the Mets will make a play at Mariano with money committed to Wagner. They certainly would like to trump the Yankees, but the player they wanted was Posada.
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11/16/2007  5:41 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I'm not sure the Yankees will want to part with as much to get Santana, though they have the better pieces. Yanks have indicated that they will be more apt to holding onto prospects.

Mets I think would be willing to part with young major leagues like Milledge and Maine in addition to prospects.

Hank Steinbrenner has been quoted as saying none of the young top ace prospects are available for any "position players" in a trade... this was when the Miguel Cabrera rumors were popping up last week... i think the Yankees would definitely give up either Hughes, Joba or Kennedy along with either Melky or some other prospects to get their hands on Santana... just my opinion... in which case, that offer looks more attractive than a package of Milledge, Maine, etc.... i think teams value Milledge much less now after witnessing some of his moronic showboating antics on the field his 1st 2 seasons & his serious lack of production compared to the hype he came in with, while Melky's value has gone up significantly after the way he seemed to energize the Yankees the past few years, w/his defense especially... he also doesn't come with any character issues or questions about his work ethic either... Maine at best projects as a #3/#4 starter in the AL... Ian Kennedy type value... the only way the Mets stand a chance at Johan is if they're willing to part w/Reyes, who the Twins would likely then trade to another team to get some topnotch prospects signed at reasonable dollars longterm.
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11/16/2007  7:09 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:

Mets will put all their eggs in the basket for Santana.

unless the Mets are ready to part w/Jose Reyes, they have nothing that will trump an offer the Yankees can make... Lastings Milledge is severely overrated, & no longer holds the trade value he once did... if MIN is going to trade Santana, i have to believe the Yankees will be the ones making the biggest offer to get him unless BOS somehow decides to give up their top young kids to get him, which i don't think they're going to do.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-16-2007 1:37 PM]

The Mets don't have a top prospect like Hughes(i think he was 4 prior to last yr), but they have several in the top100 and could offer more than 1 great prospect and probably would be willing to deal most of them for just Santana. I do find it funny how Milledge has lost value but Melky is a major piece in any deal.
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11/16/2007  7:14 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by TMS:

i can see it now... Yankees sign Gagne, Muts sign Mariano... Yankee haters would be dancing in the streets.

I highly doubt the Mets will make a play at Mariano with money committed to Wagner. They certainly would like to trump the Yankees, but the player they wanted was Posada.

Make no mistake, our major issue is bullpen(although I've heard no mention of Mo to NYM). Did anyone really think the yanks would let Posada go?
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11/16/2007  7:19 PM
i didn't say Melky would be a major piece in any deal... the main pieces would be Hughes, Joba or Wang in all likelihood... but in terms of comparing the 2, Melky is the better player right now & he's only a few months older than Lastings... add to that fact Melky's a switch hitter that was 1 of the leaders in the league in OF assists last year, has proved he can play on a big stage, & isn't a ****y showboating numbskull like Milledge, & it's easy to see why teams might be more interested in acquiring him than Milledge IMO.

& dude, ur delusional if u think a package of non blue chip calibre talent is going to get you Johan.
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11/16/2007  8:44 PM
Posted by TMS:

i didn't say Melky would be a major piece in any deal... the main pieces would be Hughes, Joba or Wang in all likelihood... but in terms of comparing the 2, Melky is the better player right now & he's only a few months older than Lastings... add to that fact Melky's a switch hitter that was 1 of the leaders in the league in OF assists last year, has proved he can play on a big stage, & isn't a ****y showboating numbskull like Milledge, & it's easy to see why teams might be more interested in acquiring him than Milledge IMO.

hilarious... Melky has a good arm, and thats about it. A career 4th OFer, or starter on a team with a bad defensive OF. He barely cracked .700 OPS in his second full year.
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& dude, ur delusional if u think a package of non blue chip calibre talent is going to get you Johan.

i know you think all things yankee have been touched by god, but the Yanks would never trade Joba(cant wait to see his starter #s)+Hughes in the same deal. That being said, the Mets would be willing to offer up F.Martinez, C.Gomez, Pelfrey, and Humber plus others all in the same deal to get someone like Santana. I know to you they are all garbage and have little to no value, but not to the rest of the baseball world.
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11/16/2007  9:53 PM
I think we should keep 'Joba the Hut' also. I heard of them converting him into a starter also. I think a lot of talent probably bypasses the farms, knowing they'll probably end up somewhere else. Here's my idea on that one. I think Hank should develop a reputation for 'keeping' our hands on the farms and developing and bringing them up, rather than shipping them off, just like his old man used to do. With a reputation like that, you'll see a lot of talent come our way and if we have patience enough, we will see some very good players come out of our farms and maybe even find some future legends in the precess. And not everything Yankee has been touched by this god guy. We have to earn it just like everyone else. We just been much more fortunate and 'why the hell not'?! I say that nicely with a smile.
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11/17/2007  5:51 AM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by TMS:

i didn't say Melky would be a major piece in any deal... the main pieces would be Hughes, Joba or Wang in all likelihood... but in terms of comparing the 2, Melky is the better player right now & he's only a few months older than Lastings... add to that fact Melky's a switch hitter that was 1 of the leaders in the league in OF assists last year, has proved he can play on a big stage, & isn't a ****y showboating numbskull like Milledge, & it's easy to see why teams might be more interested in acquiring him than Milledge IMO.

hilarious... Melky has a good arm, and thats about it. A career 4th OFer, or starter on a team with a bad defensive OF. He barely cracked .700 OPS in his second full year.
Posted by TMS:

& dude, ur delusional if u think a package of non blue chip calibre talent is going to get you Johan.

i know you think all things yankee have been touched by god, but the Yanks would never trade Joba(cant wait to see his starter #s)+Hughes in the same deal. That being said, the Mets would be willing to offer up F.Martinez, C.Gomez, Pelfrey, and Humber plus others all in the same deal to get someone like Santana. I know to you they are all garbage and have little to no value, but not to the rest of the baseball world.

lol... look at you pointing out Melky's OPS #'s when ur boy Lastings has an OPS that's only .12 better since he broke into the league... the fact is that Melky is a better defensive player, has a much better head on his shoulders & doesn't walk around like he's accomplished something in this league when he hasn't done jack the way Milledge does... Melky's got a better BA, better OBP & is a better basestealer to boot... the only thing ur boy has over Melky is a slightly better slugging... please, ur boy is severely overrated & no one thinks he's even close to being a blue chip talent the way you guys hyped him up to be before he broke into the league... no one ever said Melky was Allstar material... that's pretty much the point here that you don't seem to get... he's got comparable stats to Lastings, isn't a ****y douche, & is just as young.

& please, who ever mentioned the Yankees would consider trading both Hughes & Joba to get Santana? that would be moronic... there isn't anyone in your farm system that can hold a candle to either of them & the Yankees would likely be willing to give up 1 of those guys along w/a package of other prospects or a major league ready player like Melky

Mike Pelfrey??? are you joking? he of the 5.57 ERA, 1.71 WHIP & .298 BA against in the pathetic NL?
Phil Humber??? the guy who just posted a 7.71 ERA, 1.57 WHIP & .300 BA against???
Carlos Gomez??? didn't he just bat .232 last season w/a .592 OPS???
Fernando Martinez??? the kid with a career .272 BA in A & AA ball & hasn't even shown anything at the AAA level?

you call these good options for the Twins to consider giving up their franchise ace superstar for?

um yeah, let's see...

Phil Hughes last year: 4.46 ERA, 1.28 WHIP & .235 BA against in a much more offensively strong AL
Joba Chamberlain last year: 0.38 ERA, 0.75 WHIP & .145 BA against in the AL
Ian Kennedy last year: 1.89 ERA, 1.16 WHIP & .191 BA against in the AL

dude, find a new argument... all of your guys are crap compared to any of the top 3 pitching prospects in the Yankee farm system... if u think the Twins would pass up any of our top 3 guys to get any package of yours, ur kidding yourself.
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11/18/2007  3:59 PM
It just occured to me. What if after A-Rod signs his new contract, and the Mitchel report names him for steroid use? It's possible. We got stuck with a guy who can't put it together in October, but I really hope we don't have a guy who is also a cheater to.
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11/18/2007  4:01 PM
Posted by VDesai:

The annoying thing right know is Mo is trying to extract a 4th year. If he doesn't take that 3 yr / 45 mil offer we need to move on. That's more than fair, if not overpaying.

I totally agree. If he were a few years younger, than I could understand wanting a fourth year. I think he wants to finish as a Yankee though. I honestly don't think he'll get this kind of contract any place else, especially being 38 years old. Hank is being very fair about this.
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11/18/2007  6:22 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by VDesai:

The annoying thing right know is Mo is trying to extract a 4th year. If he doesn't take that 3 yr / 45 mil offer we need to move on. That's more than fair, if not overpaying.

I totally agree. If he were a few years younger, than I could understand wanting a fourth year. I think he wants to finish as a Yankee though. I honestly don't think he'll get this kind of contract any place else, especially being 38 years old. Hank is being very fair about this.

Mo takes the three year deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11/18/2007  8:12 PM
at least now we have some form of stability here w/a new MGR in place & ARod, Jorge, Mo & Molina signed up longterm... now maybe Andy will decide he wants to come back for another year & make 1 more run at another ring... he is a key member of our rotation that we really can't afford to lose right now.
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11/19/2007  6:40 AM
GREAT news! Now get Andy's deal done!
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