Andrew - effort is one thing.

Going 1-9 is another. Lee simply needs to get his offense on track or he is as much a liability as Malik Rose, who can't shoot a lick.

2-10, and yes he does need to improve his performance. Offensively he seems out of sync.

I think when Lee goes against a legit shot-blocker he has some problems. Which was blantantly evident last night. Amare and the Matrix were just having a free for all last night against Lee and really the entire Knicks front line. But Lee in particularly is going to have to incorporate some low post moves into his game along with an outside jumper.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Andrew:

Posted by bitty41:

YEa whats with the double standards if Eddy, Jamal, Q, or anyone else starts off poorly people just acknowledge that there not playing well David Lee struggles and its because of injuries.

I think it has to do with history. Lee, Balkman, and I'd also include Q, have had the history of putting forth a good effort every day. People remember that. Eddy and Jamal don't have the benefit of the doubt.

Not sure why you included Q in your double standard comparison. People attribute Q's lack of production to injuries all the time.

Im not doubting Lee's effort so I don't know where you got that from. I just think Knick fans spent a most of last season hyping him up. Now that the rest of the NBA has caught on to Lee's capablities and Lee has thus far not been able to adjust his game people are looking for some kind of excuse.

This is what we do as Knick fans. Before Lee it was Frye. Somewhere in there is Balkman. Next up Chandler.
See the pattern?

Time will tell. I have no opinion on him yet. Haven't seen enough of him.

David Lee is not a 3 and definately not a 5. Zach Randolph isn't going anywhere. David Lee wants to start.
Trade the stock while its high.

I've been feeling this way since the summer move David while his stock is high and get someone the Knicks actually need like a point guard, shooter, or small forward.

Anyone who says DLee is being exposed is ridiculously wrong. He's injured and his role has been reduced with Zach. I'd still keep him around and look to trade Eddy or Zach instead.

But the main thing is, if he's not healthy and he's not playing into shape, he needs to be able to rest. He's not going to be able to do that with Zeke fighting for his life every night. Zeke will run him into the ground.

Posted by crzymdups:

Anyone who says DLee is being exposed is ridiculously wrong. He's injured and his role has been reduced with Zach. I'd still keep him around and look to trade Eddy or Zach instead.

But the main thing is, if he's not healthy and he's not playing into shape, he needs to be able to rest. He's not going to be able to do that with Zeke fighting for his life every night. Zeke will run him into the ground.

Hold up its not even close between Zach and Lee. Maybe if Lee was a great defender than you could possibly make an arguement for wanting to keep Lee over Randolph but Zach is a better rebounder and scorer than Lee. Hell Zach is the only player on the entire Knicks roster that can put up consistent numbers in two categories that isn't turnovers.

Granted Curry sucks in almost every category except scoring I would still keep him over Lee. Unless the deal was ridiculously good; Lee should be the odd man out.

This is the NBA everyone has bumps and bruises or some type of pain. So stop using he's in pain excuse because im sure every player on almost every team could claim some sort of pain. If he's not in shape than David has no one to blame but himself.

Something is definetely different with lee. He is not flying through the air grabbing rebounds like he used to.

He has played against starters in the past, and has performed well. However, it is his athleticism(as well as his nose for the ball) that gets those extra rebounds, not his height or length, since he isn't that tall and he isn't that long.

I think people need to also consider the possibility that he is fed up with the sitauation. He has played his heart out for this team, and Isiah goes and drafts a stud pf to play in front of him. Additionally, this team has been a mess for awhile, and I wonder what type of relationship he had with Channing.

If he is still somewhat injured, he might not be willing to play through some of the pain for a coach that doesn't have his best interests in mind.

I think it is likely a combination of those two factors that is causing his decreased performance.