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How Is Zach Randolph Any Different Than Walker, Shareef, OR Jamison???
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jaydh
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11/7/2007  7:36 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by EnySpree:

Trade z-bo and curry for who?

Mostly cap space.

But I'd look for solid young prospects or picks in return too...

what? like francis+frye for zbo?
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11/7/2007  7:38 PM
Posted by jaydh:

what? like francis+frye for zbo?


Lol.

Yup. Ironic, isn't it?


And for Curry - similiar deal as Chandler...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/7/2007  9:31 PM
Booooooooo! Fire bobs!!!
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11/7/2007  9:33 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ I would trade Zach Randolph, buyoutBury, waive James, fire myself.

I'd hire Kiki Vandeweghe as General Manager b/c he's proven he can take crap and pawn it off on other teams (Van Exel, McDyess, & Lafrentz).

I'd probably hire a guy like Paul Silas or Rick Carlisle, maybe even Bill Laimbeer or Jeff Van Gundy as coach.

And maybe get Willis Reed back as President or Vice President. I'd probably keep Grunwald as Assistant General Manager.

More checks and balances, the better. Maybe even hire Bill Bradley as Vice President who knows.


I'd get rid of Curry and Z-Bo. Unless Curry was willing to take a big PT cut, down to like 26 minutes a game.

If Crawford keeps this up I'd probly keep him. Like DJ said, which I half-agree with if he keeps it up, Crawford's career is entering Chauncey Billups' mode.


I'd aim to suck for 2 years. Try and get top 5 picks in atleast 2 straight drafts. Just like Portland.

We'll have significant cap space, even with re-signing D-Lee, in 2010. We could scoop up a franchise player or an All-Star on top of the bigtime rookies we'd reeled in.

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I can't predict whats going to happen 3 years out. I want to win now. Do not under estimate Curry. I think he will be the beast of the East and West. Crawford will be an alstar if he dosen't get hurt.

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11/7/2007  9:49 PM
Zack is a very good offensive player and a great rebounder. What he is not is a franchise player mainly because he is a slightly below average defender and not a very good passer.

I don't know what the point of this thread is.

Rahim was a good player, so is Jamison, and Walker plays nothing like any of Rahim, Jamison or Zack.

I like what I see out of Zack, he stays within his game, he knows what he is good at, and he sticks to it. He is a player, period.
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11/7/2007  9:54 PM
A glimmer of hope............maybe?!
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/8/2007  8:26 AM
Zach is perfectly fine as long as the Knicks management understands that he isn't a franchise player but who the hell is nowadays in the NBA. Zach is going to need someone on the outside he can consistently knock down shots so they can spread the floor for him. At this point I don't think the Knicks have that guy. It would also be great if the Knicks could pair him up inside with a shot blocker.

But thats all dreams right now.
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11/8/2007  10:02 AM
Originally posted by purple012870:

I think BOOBS knows less about basketball that anybody on this site.

What aspect of the 20 pts / 14 rebounds per that Zach has given the team is not welcome?

Is he Malone or Barkley? No.

Is he at least a top 50 player? Sure.

What exactly is wrong with having a guy like that, especially when you gave up a 6'11" jump shooter with no other skills to get him? Who knows....certainly not BOOBS.

thank you

I second that. What's wrong with this guy.
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11/8/2007  12:26 PM
Simply who do you want? Channing Frye and Steve Francis or Zach Randolph? What has Channing or Francis been doing that is better than what Zach is doing right now? They both are on new teams getting no burn while we get a 35 mpg starter. That trade was a ****ing steal. Zeke knew we couldn't get Garnett so he got the next best thing on the market. Yall dudes got to much hate in ya blood.
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11/8/2007  12:36 PM
Posted by misterearl:

The Answer Man Has Never Seen Such Revulsion and Suspicion over 22 and 17 in His Life

Q. nyny - Is Randolph talented enough to have us seriously competing for a championship a few yrs down the road?

A. No, Zach should be traded as soon humanly possible. He is a troublemaker, a malcontent and an overly-egotistical player who thinks he is a franchise player. The nerve...

Just remember those are your words not mine, I wasn't even talking about his character issues. Championship level basketball is when Randolph can anchor a offense & defense from the post. Randoplh doesn't anchor either. He is talented, he will get pts and rips. With strong guard play he can win as well. But there is a reason why Shaq & Duncan have dominated the championships over the yrs. And Garnett will probably get one in the next 3yrs. There is a reason why the Kings who had Webber, Divac, Bibby, Christie couldn't win it. There is a reason why Nash, Finley & Nowitzki couldn't win it either. Hopefully we can win 50 games a season like them. It definatly would be better that we have been going through. But history and the odds support Bobs concern. While his approach may be annoying and a touched with some hate. He is allowed not to be satisifed with winning 50games a season and losing in the playoffs every yr the way Kings use to and Mavs still do if thats what he forsees of the Knicks. You are also allowed to welcome that and enjoy the ride if you want.

Sheesh!
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11/8/2007  1:48 PM
Some of you guys need to change your tampons.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/8/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Some of you guys need to change your tampons.

You can admit though Bobs that your approach of with bringing to light your concern isn't the greatest.
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11/8/2007  2:28 PM
^ My approach is fine.

I'm just surrounded by a bunch of pinheads that want to argue only with people that agree with them.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/8/2007  2:37 PM
Posted by simrud:

Zack is a very good offensive player and a great rebounder. What he is not is a franchise player mainly because he is a slightly below average defender and not a very good passer.

I don't know what the point of this thread is.

Rahim was a good player, so is Jamison, and Walker plays nothing like any of Rahim, Jamison or Zack.

I like what I see out of Zack, he stays within his game, he knows what he is good at, and he sticks to it. He is a player, period.


I agree, jamison and Rahim are and were very good players, Walker was nothing like these guys, so I will exclude him from this crazy conversation... the problem is that rahim and jamison were looked upon to carry their teams as franchise players, and they weren't, but that doesn't make them bad players, just makes the GM's bad GM's, surround these guys with talent an they will win. Imagine if the hawks had a duncan to go along with rahim and Jason terry? or imagine if Golden state had a shaq to play with Jamison.. what would you think of those guys then?
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11/8/2007  2:48 PM
^ I would say that they are still replaceable.

8/9 last championships were won by Shaq and Duncan.........all with different teammates. The only stable factor was that Duncan and Shaq were on them.

You know you're agreeing with me right? You're basically saying that Isiah is a terrible GM, and Zach isn't anything we really need (ie: a franchise player).



[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08-11-2007 2:55 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/8/2007  3:05 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ I would say that they are still replaceable.

8/9 last championships were won by Shaq and Duncan.........all with different teammates. The only stable factor was that Duncan and Shaq were on them.

You know you're agreeing with me right? You're basically saying that Isiah is a terrible GM, and Zach isn't anything we really need (ie: a franchise player).



[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08-11-2007 2:55 PM]


Your talking Championships? You need to walk before you can run thats not even in the Knicks realm of possibility. Again how many "franchise players" are really in the NBA at this point. Because if thats the direction your trying to take this discussion when we get down to the nuts and bolts of it were talking about maybe a handful of players most of which are at the tail end of their careers. Granted you could argue that certain players seem to possibly have the potential at some point in their career but right now there's not many "franchise players" in the traditional sense.
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11/8/2007  3:13 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Some of you guys need to change your tampons.

Better to need to change one small item that your entire personality. Your act of insulting everyone who doesn't see things your way is not only tired, its derivative, AND its against the forum rules.

Please adjust.
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11/8/2007  3:32 PM
^ Lol, my personality atleast exists.

You missed the sarcasm and went for sideline modding.

Nice...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/8/2007  3:37 PM
Posted by bitty41:

Your talking Championships? You need to walk before you can run thats not even in the Knicks realm of possibility. Again how many "franchise players" are really in the NBA at this point. Because if thats the direction your trying to take this discussion when we get down to the nuts and bolts of it were talking about maybe a handful of players most of which are at the tail end of their careers. Granted you could argue that certain players seem to possibly have the potential at some point in their career but right now there's not many "franchise players" in the traditional sense.

Yea, that's true. But I still don't see your point. The fact that we need to get there still stands, and I don't see the franchise making any preparations for it. We're barely tredding water.


Dwight Howard
Steve Nash
Kevin Garnett
Carmello Anthony
Lebron James
Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
Yao Ming/T-Mac
Dirk Nowitzki
Tim Duncan
Chris Bosh
Jason Kidd
Gilbert Arenas


That's 13 guys there that I don't think anyone can argue with. And that's excluding guys like Jermaine O'Neal, Paul Pierce, Pau Gasol, Baron Davis, Shaq, Carlos Boozer, Allen Iverson, and Elton Brand, not to mention Greg Oden and Kevin Durant.



So you were saying...



[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08-11-2007 3:40 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/8/2007  3:55 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ My approach is fine.

I'm just surrounded by a bunch of pinheads that want to argue only with people that agree with them.

no dude, your approach is not fine. Seriously, change it or find another home.

You have what may be some good points but you don't communicate them very well.
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