nothing against white dudes or any race, but the nba does have a thing for seven foot stiffs. the fact that most of them is white may be a coincedence. i mean yinka dare and luther wright are black. Wright was drafted by Scott Layden the arcitech.

Posted by Pike:

Boy, can we use my man, Troy Murphy. Agree with you there... my prediction is, Kaman won't be able to tie Murphy's shoes.

Kaman will be decent. You guys underestimating his abilities. He will be a good player. He won't be great but a good solid player he will be. If I had to compare him to anyone it would be Brad Miller. I happen to think Brad Miller is a decent center and the KNicks could use someone like that. As for Kaman he will get better with time he is solid 10 feet out and his range will get better with time. I wouldn't put to much into his performance in the tryouts. I think he is a better player with a team around him. Besides I want him to be around the blocks thats where a center is suppose to be and his foot work is solid. I think if he is available then the knicks should take him but he will most likely be gone by the time the Knicks pick.

I am glad you like the Troy Murphy example because he's perfect. He will never be Duncan or anything spectacular...he's just good, and and he under 25, and he makes less less than $3 million a year. Look at every NBA roster, the Knicks have NOT ONE PLAYER making less than $5 mill thats worth the jersey he wears.

I would be fine with drafting Travis Outlaw or Ebi for that matter and hope he's the next T-Mac, but if we drafted Sweetney or Kaman and they turned out to be the next Elton Brand or Brad Miller that would be ok too.

Or we could trade the pick and McDyess for Rasheed Wallace, have him get arrested with a pound of dope 2 weeks into the season, then have him suspended for a year after he punches a ref (he was out to get me) and wonder why the Knicks always have bad luck.

I used the Raef comparison because Raef has good skills. He's a VERY good shot blocker, decent rebounder and has a good inside outside game...but for some reason he just kinda stinks. He's not half as good as his numbers.

Posted by fishmike:

I am glad you like the Troy Murphy example because he's perfect. He will never be Duncan or anything spectacular...he's just good, and and he under 25, and he makes less less than $3 million a year. Look at every NBA roster, the Knicks have NOT ONE PLAYER making less than $5 mill thats worth the jersey he wears.

I would be fine with drafting Travis Outlaw or Ebi for that matter and hope he's the next T-Mac, but if we drafted Sweetney or Kaman and they turned out to be the next Elton Brand or Brad Miller that would be ok too.

Or we could trade the pick and McDyess for Rasheed Wallace, have him get arrested with a pound of dope 2 weeks into the season, then have him suspended for a year after he punches a ref (he was out to get me) and wonder why the Knicks always have bad luck.

I used the Raef comparison because Raef has good skills. He's a VERY good shot blocker, decent rebounder and has a good inside outside game...but for some reason he just kinda stinks. He's not half as good as his numbers.

I'm high on Travis Outlaw. This guy one day will be a top player in the game.

he's a white Oakley in a lot of ways. But he's a perfect example of how (by NBA standards) a below average athlete can become a very good player, with the right work and dedication.

in any case only time will tell. Nobody can really predict this stuff, if they could 9 teams wouldnt have passed on Paul Pierce and Amare Stoudamire.

This was a good discussion, everyone made good points...thanks for that. Much better than the "he sucks" "no you suck and are stupid" type debates that sometimes win over.

EVERYONE wants this team to get better. Some want it now, some are willing to wait. I would have no problem with rebuilding type players, but its hard to trust Layden...he's just SO bad.

fish mike, that is a good point, I would love to have a troy murphy, or a brad Miller or Elton Brand, If we got that caliber player at the 9 spot, I would be elated. But again, I don't think Kaman is that type of player... but who knows....

I still don't want him tho....

Kaman impressed me vs. Duke(as big a competition as you can get) in the NCAA tourney.

This is the game that everyone is evulating Kaman on, which IMO is ridiculous....
Who plays center for the Duke?

Exactly, Swish.

[Edited by - Pike on 06/04/2003 10:18:51]