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10/31/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Kidd is simply one example of the kind of guy I easily see Isiah threatened by, and therefor undesirous of, in spite of being one of the best at leading on the floor.

And this is the kind of thinking that I am the most perplexed by on this board. People are so obsessed of dissecting Isiah's personality that they dismiss the more obvious explaination out of hand. You really think Isiah wouldn't acquire Kidd if he was available because he would be "threatened"? Sorry if my point was "petty", but yours is just inane.

No, its that crazy Isiah. Forget that the Knicks have made it their MO to acquire vets, many with "spotty" backgrounds, for years. In 1999 we paired an underachieving PF with a questionable work ethic with a player with more character issues than anyone Isiah has acquired, and rode them to an improbable run to the finals. Could it be that "Talent" is the more common denominator to winning than experience?

And maybe one should take note that the young players Isiah has acquired in the draft by and large have been 3 and 4 year guys from good college programs, not just the “dumb athletes” that some are so fond of saying that Isiah is fond of.

Not a petty point, an obvious one. But why let that get in the way of yet another "cult of Isiah's personality" posting.

But if pointing out that Jason Kidd is unavailable is "petty", I'd like to hear some examples of players Isiah would be "threatened" by that are not so.


[Edited by - rembee76 on 10-31-2007 12:42 PM]

rembee - compared with the countless signings of aging veterans dating back to Paul Westphal and Kiki Vandeweghe, the level of current Knicks amnesia is amazing.

Finally, there is a fresh stash of compelling TALENT (Balkman, Collins, Lee, Chandler, Curry, Zach, Morris, and even that human funk machine Nate) which makes up the MAJORITY of the roster.

Whatever issue poeple have with Isiah's issues, it has little to do with the first paradigm shift (a roster dominated by players 27 and under) in the corporate philosophy in over 30 years.

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10/31/2007  2:29 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I really don't see us makingn the playoffs short of a coaching change.

Dude, don't be jumpin' on the bandwagon after the party hats are already have been given out.

Playoffs?

Mora: "Don't talk to me about not making the playoffs"
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10/31/2007  2:29 PM
Posted by misterearl:

rembee - compared with the countless signings of aging veterans dating back to Paul Westphal and Kiki Vandeweghe, the level of current Knicks amnesia is amazing.

Finally, there is a fresh stash of compelling TALENT (Balkman, Collins, Lee, Chandler, Curry, Zach, Morris, and even that human funk machine Nate) which makes up the MAJORITY of the roster.

Whatever issue poeple have with Isiah's issues, it has little to do with the first paradigm shift (a roster dominated by players 27 and under) in the corporate philosophy in over 30 years.

Let my people grow.

technically the 2nd paradigm shift. the first one was from 1985-87. probably ties in to having a franchise player on the roster.
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10/31/2007  2:34 PM
1984 by George Orwell

"... with the first pick in the draft the New York Knicks select..."

djsu - that paradigm shift was rigged. Everyone knows that.

I would submit it is MUCH more difficult to initiate a paradigm shift staring at the collective portfolios of Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon, Travis Knight and Othella Harrington
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10/31/2007  2:37 PM
Posted by misterearl:

1984 by George Orwell

"... with the first pick in the draft the New York Knicks select..."

djsu - that paradigm shift was rigged. Everyone knows that.

I would submit it is MUCH more difficult to initiate a paradigm shift staring at the collective portfolios of Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon, Travis Knight and Othella Harrington

it was much more difficult, made more difficult by the trading of 4/5 unprotected #1 picks. so the potential for any more rigging was all but eliminated.

the man before chose dice. wrong choice.

this man chose steph. this man chose eddy. we'll see if he made the right choices.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-31-2007 2:38 PM]
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10/31/2007  2:39 PM
besides, everyone knows the knicks blew it by not taking wayman tisdale.
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10/31/2007  2:57 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Actually Jason Kidd has been available during I SAY UGH's tenure here but we've never once tried to pursue him. Lakers and Mavs made attempts to get him. We've had the Starbury, Frazier & Monroe, Crawstressed, and Special back court who's got room for a HOF pg in Kidd? Instead I SAY UGH tried to go after Carter for half a yr who was headed towards another payday once the season ended. Typical I SAY UGH

TrueBlue - you have Isiah's cel phone records to validate your assumption?

If not, what you are offering a fact is pure speculation.

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10/31/2007  3:01 PM
dj - everytime I watch Marcus Camby and nene together I cringe.

If you think Isiah might have kept the center he drafted for Toronto, just imagine how different the Knicks frontcourt might look today if Lee was added to the 2 (dearly departed) Nuggets.

just for starters.
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10/31/2007  3:07 PM
Posted by misterearl:

dj - everytime I watch Marcus Camby and nene together I cringe.

If you think Isiah might have kept the center he drafted for Toronto, just imagine how different the Knicks frontcourt might look today if Lee was added to the 2 (dearly departed) Nuggets.

just for starters.

isiah CAN fix this. he has to pick between zach and eddy and move one for a quality SF/SG. then we'd have 2 positions set for a while (SF or SG/PF) as opposed to just one right now (PF).

the longer he waits, the more eddy's value drops. unless there's a pg out there (doing the unthinkable big for small deal i.e. charlie v for tj ford)...but i don't see one really available...heck, i would've moved eddy in a 3 way deal landing us jrich (bad knee and all).

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-31-2007 3:08 PM]
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10/31/2007  3:24 PM
dj - Eddy's value increases once his shoulder ceases being an issue.

Look for Balkman and Chandler to share cameo minutes at the three until reinforcements arrive.

Shift du Opening Night

Nate - the straw who stirs the drink off the bench

Crawford - who suddenly awakens from his shooting slump

Balkman - welcome back

Lee - a double-double

Zach - see above
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10/31/2007  3:30 PM
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Actually Jason Kidd has been available during I SAY UGH's tenure here but we've never once tried to pursue him. Lakers and Mavs made attempts to get him. We've had the Starbury, Frazier & Monroe, Crawstressed, and Special back court who's got room for a HOF pg in Kidd? Instead I SAY UGH tried to go after Carter for half a yr who was headed towards another payday once the season ended. Typical I SAY UGH

TrueBlue - you have Isiah's cel phone records to validate your assumption?

If not, what you are offering a fact is pure speculation.


Oh so are you saying you know for a fact we didn't attempt to trade for Carter? There were several confirmed reports that said the Knicks contacted the Nets for Carter's services.
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10/31/2007  3:57 PM
I know there were reports that the Knicks contacted Toronto for Carter before he was traded to the Nets. I don't recall any Carter talk in the two and a half seasons since.

Regardless, what does that have to do with Kidd being available?

Only TrueBlue knows.
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10/31/2007  4:05 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

I know there were reports that the Knicks contacted Toronto for Carter before he was traded to the Nets. I don't recall any Carter talk in the two and a half seasons since.

Regardless, what does that have to do with Kidd being available?

Only TrueBlue knows.


The Nets turned down the Lakers interest for Kidd last yr because Thorn wanted Bynum. Deal could have been consumated if Lakers would have included Bynum with Kwame(other player I believe). Matter of fact Thorn made a statement last yr that he took Kidd off the table.

Do you follow basketball at all or what?
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10/31/2007  4:22 PM
Well, for starters, Kwame Brown plus Bynum for Kidd doesn't come close to matching salaries, so you wouldn't have to follow basketball much to know that there was more to the deal than that. I'm guessing Odom was involved, not Brown.

Regardless, neither you nor your compatriot Blueseats have offered anything but the wildest conjecture to support your paper-thin point that Isiah has not and would not pursue Jason Kidd.

So paper-thin, in fact, that I feel a little stupid for even bothering to address it, to be honest.
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10/31/2007  4:37 PM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02222007/sports/knicks/knicks_nets_trade_talks_go_nowhere_knicks_fred_kerber.htm

One source gave the Knicks credit in their quest for Kidd but said the offered little to interest the Nets. -NYPost

Well, I guess we all stand corrected, if the Post is to be believed. I apologize.

The Knicks tried for Kidd, but were not offering much. Let’s not forget that at the time, Channing Frye was still considered a key part of the Knicks future, but its clear Isiah wasn’t going to blow up the team to acquire him.

And of course, as Kidd is still a Net, it’s fair to question how seriously the Nets were considering offers for him in the first place.


[Edited by - rembee76 on 10-31-2007 4:39 PM]
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10/31/2007  8:06 PM
Cavs hearing it from the crowd in the fisrt half, down to Dallas by 20.

They might be pissed on Friday.

with that said, who got Lebron?



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10/31/2007  10:19 PM
I think the two faces of the franchise are Thomas and Marbury. Both can be exciting and obviously are very talented in some areas of basketball. However, in their current positions neither has the ability to make the Knicks a winner. I get excited with Isiah's picks but the Nichols situation was ridiculous and created by a combination of his past errors and his Napoleon complex. His handling of the cap situation, his handling of coaches, his lack of professionalism, and his belief that he is so slick and smart that he can out wit fans, other gms, and the legal system are all tragic flaws. He also did not have a plan for what he was trying to create with the Knicks until he was named coach and given an ultimatum. Marbury is probably the strongest(physically) point guard that I have ever seen play. He has tremendous one on one talent. However, he does not appear to have the ability to change his game to make a team better. Unlike most players, he has not shown an increased knowledge of how to win that generally comes with age and experience. He also has diregarded the old saying, "better to be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt." At this point Marbury's mouth has convinced me that he is a very unstable person. I think the Knicks have some great players on their team. I think they need to change the face(s) of the franchise to win.
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10/31/2007  10:33 PM
CrushAlot - the so-called "face" of the franchise may have changed while you weren't looking.

Even though Marbury claims that he'll play more like World B Free, look past the constant media attention, and the added scrutiny of the Marbury-Thomas relationship. If Marbury does not perform, his butt will be sittging next to jerome James.

No matter the opinion of Marbury's shoes, his video clips, his breaking down and crying over Katrina or his penchant for draping a towel ove his dome, one fact is clear:

The heat is on.

Tha franchise has no face.

Just win baby.

[Edited by - misterearl on 10-31-2007 10:34 PM]
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11/1/2007  7:57 AM
Just win baby

I can't believe BSeats wanted a definition of a winning seasen.

Winning = whatever it takes to make the playoffs

As Golden State reminded us, once you get in - anything can happen,



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11/6/2007  10:57 PM
Fear of a Green Planet

recycling makes the world a better place

the Knicks could hav been discouraged after allowing Denver to close out the fist half with a lead after the first run

they fought back and showed some personality in the process

2-1

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