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10/30/2007  9:08 PM
NYTIMES article - Tony Pena to remain 1B coach & Kevin Long in negotiations to remain hitting coach. Also Dave Eiland to be named pitching coach, Rob Thompson bench coach, Bobby Meacham 3B coach, & Mike Harkey bullpen coach.
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Any news on the Mets?
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According to the NY Post, Joe Torre will be the next manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers. His contract is said to be 3 years for a total of $14.5M.
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Any news on the Mets?

rumors are that the mets have the money to spend on arod, but are deciding whether it would be a good baseball decision:

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3087388

arod + reyes + wright = sold out citi field for the next 7 years.
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Posted by djsunyc:

NYTIMES article - Tony Pena to remain 1B coach & Kevin Long in negotiations to remain hitting coach. Also Dave Eiland to be named pitching coach, Rob Thompson bench coach, Bobby Meacham 3B coach, & Mike Harkey bullpen coach.

I like Pena back at 1B, Long back as hitting coach and Eiland up to work with the kids.

Bobby Meacham??? 3rd base coach? There's a blast from the not so great past.

Wasn't he the guy, along with Dale Berra, who ran through a stop sign by the 3B coach and got tagged out one right after the other by Carlton Fisk in the mid 80's?

Hopefully he gives signs better than he follows them.

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NYTIMES article - Tony Pena to remain 1B coach & Kevin Long in negotiations to remain hitting coach. Also Dave Eiland to be named pitching coach, Rob Thompson bench coach, Bobby Meacham 3B coach, & Mike Harkey bullpen coach.

I like Pena back at 1B, Long back as hitting coach and Eiland up to work with the kids.

Bobby Meacham??? 3rd base coach? There's a blast from the not so great past.

Wasn't he the guy, along with Dale Berra, who ran through a stop sign by the 3B coach and got tagged out one right after the other by Carlton Fisk in the mid 80's?

Hopefully he gives signs better than he follows them.

bobby meachum wore #20 and he always had a ton of that black stuff under his eyes.

meachum was girardi's 3rd base coach in florida.
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Posted by djsunyc:
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Any news on the Mets?

rumors are that the mets have the money to spend on arod, but are deciding whether it would be a good baseball decision:

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3087388

arod + reyes + wright = sold out citi field for the next 7 years.

No thanks. Citi Field will be sold out regardless. It's only going to hold like 43,000. Obviously Crap-Rod is great but I can't stand him and I HATE checkbook baseball. A-Rod and his 300 million is overkill. I like it that we have holes on our team because it makes for an interesting season. We lost because our pitching went into the toilet. If my team is going to spend money, I'd much rather spend it on pitching now and then next offseason when Delcrapo is gone, I'd go after Teixeira.
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According to the NY Post, Joe Torre will be the next manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers. His contract is said to be 3 years for a total of $14.5M.

$4.8 mil per sounds pretty insulting.
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Any news on the Mets?

rumors are that the mets have the money to spend on arod, but are deciding whether it would be a good baseball decision:

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3087388

arod + reyes + wright = sold out citi field for the next 7 years.

No thanks. Citi Field will be sold out regardless. It's only going to hold like 43,000. Obviously Crap-Rod is great but I can't stand him and I HATE checkbook baseball. A-Rod and his 300 million is overkill. I like it that we have holes on our team because it makes for an interesting season. We lost because our pitching went into the toilet. If my team is going to spend money, I'd much rather spend it on pitching now and then next offseason when Delcrapo is gone, I'd go after Teixeira.

there go those Mets again trying to buy championships. *cough*
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NYTIMES article - Tony Pena to remain 1B coach & Kevin Long in negotiations to remain hitting coach. Also Dave Eiland to be named pitching coach, Rob Thompson bench coach, Bobby Meacham 3B coach, & Mike Harkey bullpen coach.

I like Pena back at 1B, Long back as hitting coach and Eiland up to work with the kids.

Bobby Meacham??? 3rd base coach? There's a blast from the not so great past.

Wasn't he the guy, along with Dale Berra, who ran through a stop sign by the 3B coach and got tagged out one right after the other by Carlton Fisk in the mid 80's?

Hopefully he gives signs better than he follows them.

bobby meachum wore #20 and he always had a ton of that black stuff under his eyes.

meachum was girardi's 3rd base coach in florida.

i like the choices for the coaching staff, though i would have liked to keep Larry Bowa on the staff to be Joe's bench coach or to stay on as our 3rd base coach... i love his intensity & i think he would have blended in well w/Joe G in the clubhouse.
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Any news on the Mets?

rumors are that the mets have the money to spend on arod, but are deciding whether it would be a good baseball decision:

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3087388

arod + reyes + wright = sold out citi field for the next 7 years.

No thanks. Citi Field will be sold out regardless. It's only going to hold like 43,000. Obviously Crap-Rod is great but I can't stand him and I HATE checkbook baseball. A-Rod and his 300 million is overkill. I like it that we have holes on our team because it makes for an interesting season. We lost because our pitching went into the toilet. If my team is going to spend money, I'd much rather spend it on pitching now and then next offseason when Delcrapo is gone, I'd go after Teixeira.

there go those Mets again trying to buy championships. *cough*

Not really cause we're losing Glavine's salary and then next season we're losing Delcrapo, Alou, Pedro (maybe) and El Duque. Thats 50 plus million off the payroll over the next 2 seasons. We're still within a respectable range of a lot of NL teams, whereas the Yankees are like what? 70 million more than the Red Sox? 100 million more than the Mets!! Thats an entire team!!
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the Mets are composed of as many free agents & non-Met farm talent as the Yankees if not more... don't tell me they don't fit the mold of trying to buy championships... other than Wright, Reyes, Heilmann & Milledge, who else do you have that are homegrown talent?

btw, i'm not playing innocense as far as the Yankees go... they've been starphuching for the longest... but this common misconception that they're the only team in baseball that's trying to buy their way to a title is a crock of BS... check out teams like the Red Sox, Mets, Dodgers, Tigers, Cubs, Angels, etc. & tell me they're not concerned with bigname acquisitions.
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the Mets are composed of as many free agents & non-Met farm talent as the Yankees if not more... don't tell me they don't fit the mold of trying to buy championships... other than Wright, Reyes, Heilmann & Milledge, who else do you have that are homegrown talent?

btw, i'm not playing innocense as far as the Yankees go... they've been starphuching for the longest... but this common misconception that they're the only team in baseball that's trying to buy their way to a title is a crock of BS... check out teams like the Red Sox, Mets, Dodgers, Tigers, Cubs, Angels, etc. & tell me they're not concerned with bigname acquisitions.


Oh I agree with regards to the Mets and free agents. Enough, I hate free agents and would much prefer to go through the farm system. However, the Mets have had to revamp their entire farm and scouting system once Omar took over because it was a mess, so it's going too take some time to rebuild. In the meantime, they almost had to go the free agent route because we were so depleted. Now Jeff Wilpon, (Freddy's son) is out of the picture and letting the baseball people do their job. Still, Omar screwed us with some terrible trades this past offseason. Ugh. He's too infatuated with the latin ballplayer and not paying attention to chemistry.

But my point was the Mets are within an acceptable range of most NL teams salary wise, while the Yankees are so far ahead of the next highest team. That has to account for something no matter who they bring up from their system. You have a 190 million payroll and then add Clemens midseason? Come on!!!
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this past year the Yankees seemed to finally get it... they're building up w/the youth from their minor league system... Cano, Wang, Melky, Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, & we still have some great prospects in the farm system on their way in Tabata, Austin Jackson, Betances, Brackman, Horne, along w/some great young prospects they just got via trade in Umberto Sanchez, Ross Ohlendorff & Steven Jackson... this is the strongest class of young talent this organization has seen since the early 90s when Jeter, Jorge, Mariano & Pettitte came up... all those guys are still on the team too, so you can point to almost the entire Yankees team being composed of young, homegrown talent next year... take ARod & Rocket's salaries off our books & you're looking at a about a $150-160 million dollar payroll, pretty damn close to the Red Sox & Mets (if the Mets decide to get ARod)
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this past year the Yankees seemed to finally get it... they're building up w/the youth from their minor league system... Cano, Wang, Melky, Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, & we still have some great prospects in the farm system on their way in Tabata, Austin Jackson, Betances, Brackman, Horne, along w/some great young prospects they just got via trade in Umberto Sanchez, Ross Ohlendorff & Steven Jackson... this is the strongest class of young talent this organization has seen since the early 90s when Jeter, Jorge, Mariano & Pettitte came up... all those guys are still on the team too, so you can point to almost the entire Yankees team being composed of young, homegrown talent next year... take ARod & Rocket's salaries off our books & you're looking at a about a $150-160 million dollar payroll, pretty damn close to the Red Sox & Mets (if the Mets decide to get ARod)

We're not getting A-Rod!! Sheesh. Most Mets fans hate him, we already have a SS and 3b, but most importantly we need PITCHING. Our payroll is nowhere near 150-160 mil. We were at 108 to start the season and finished around 110-112. Next year we'll probably be between 110-120 to start the season. We need to lay low this season, keep developing our farm system, not sign any "A" type free agents and keep our first round pick. Then next offseason when Delcrapo, Alou, and Pedro's money clear, go after one big FA. This offseason I would look to improve the bullpen and trade for a decent starter. Thats it.

As for the Yankees, I love their young pitching and it's going to be very interesting to see what Cashman does. Is he going to go with 3 youngins in the rotation? Thats very risky, especially late in the season when they aren't used to throwing so many innings. Personally, I would go with the youngin's and not bow down to the pressure of, we have to make the playoffs at all costs. I hate that mentality. I'd much rather develop the homegrown players despite the bumps along the way.

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like i said, IF you guys add ARod, then your payroll will be up to the $150 level, about the same as what the Yankees' payroll will be w/o ARod & Rocket... that's all i'm saying... i thought David Wright had already said he'd move over to 2B if ARod came on board... that would give u guys a pretty sick IF if that happened... & if i were Boras, i'd advise my client to stay in NY, because no one will give a crap about him if he came to the West Coast, & his legacy will not be even close to what it could be if he joined up w/the Mets & helped them win a championship... obviously the only other team he could go to that could offer him more in terms of building his legacy is the Yankees or Red Sox, but he's already burned his bridge w/the Yankees w/his idiotic grandstanding act, & the Red Sox don't need him as they're already built to win championships & their fans despise the guy & probably can't afford him anyway as long as Manny's on their payroll.

btw, Met fans would become ARod's biggest fans if he joined them, let's be real here... all the talk about ARod being overrated & all the rest would quickly turn into "ARod's the man" once he put on that Mets uniform... maybe you wouldn't change your mind but I'm guessing the predominance of Met fans would love to have him on their team... just make sure you guys are ready to have it become a 3 ring circus once he joins the team.
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btw, Met fans would become ARod's biggest fans if he joined them, let's be real here... all the talk about ARod being overrated & all the rest would quickly turn into "ARod's the man" once he put on that Mets uniform... maybe you wouldn't change your mind but I'm guessing the predominance of Met fans would love to have him on their team... just make sure you guys are ready to have it become a 3 ring circus once he joins the team.

Why would anyone hate adding the best player in modern baseball to their team?
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btw, Met fans would become ARod's biggest fans if he joined them, let's be real here... all the talk about ARod being overrated & all the rest would quickly turn into "ARod's the man" once he put on that Mets uniform... maybe you wouldn't change your mind but I'm guessing the predominance of Met fans would love to have him on their team... just make sure you guys are ready to have it become a 3 ring circus once he joins the team.

Why would anyone hate adding the best player in modern baseball to their team?

that's exactly what i thought before he joined the team... then he pulls a grandstanding act like the one him & his agent just pulled & you see exactly what drives Arod, & that's hearing his name in the papers & on ESPN... he's an alltime great player, but be prepared to have it become a circus once he joins your team... & he's going to love every minute of it.
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like i said, IF you guys add ARod, then your payroll will be up to the $150 level, about the same as what the Yankees' payroll will be w/o ARod & Rocket... that's all i'm saying... i thought David Wright had already said he'd move over to 2B if ARod came on board... that would give u guys a pretty sick IF if that happened... & if i were Boras, i'd advise my client to stay in NY, because no one will give a crap about him if he came to the West Coast, & his legacy will not be even close to what it could be if he joined up w/the Mets & helped them win a championship... obviously the only other team he could go to that could offer him more in terms of building his legacy is the Yankees or Red Sox, but he's already burned his bridge w/the Yankees w/his idiotic grandstanding act, & the Red Sox don't need him as they're already built to win championships & their fans despise the guy & probably can't afford him anyway as long as Manny's on their payroll.

btw, Met fans would become ARod's biggest fans if he joined them, let's be real here... all the talk about ARod being overrated & all the rest would quickly turn into "ARod's the man" once he put on that Mets uniform... maybe you wouldn't change your mind but I'm guessing the predominance of Met fans would love to have him on their team... just make sure you guys are ready to have it become a 3 ring circus once he joins the team.

Again, we're not getting A-Rod so there is no if or whatever. The kiddies wants A-Rod, the long time die hard Mets fan wants pitching and wants nothing to do with Jackass-Rod. These kiddies are the same idiotic fans who cheer Isiah when he brings in every name player. If we're getting A-Rod, then whats the point of playing the regular season? BORING. Just bashing teams to death. I like competitive baseball, pennant races, and the ups and downs of a 162 game season. Thats why we're Mets fans! If we wanted to follow a team that bashed everyone to death then we'd be Yankee fans. If we go after Dick-Rod, then we're becoming the Yankees. Ewwwwwww no thanks.

Now if we didn't already have a really good offensive team, then I'd be much more open to Prick-Rod on the Mets. We need pitching!! Can A-Rod pitch? No.
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btw, Met fans would become ARod's biggest fans if he joined them, let's be real here... all the talk about ARod being overrated & all the rest would quickly turn into "ARod's the man" once he put on that Mets uniform... maybe you wouldn't change your mind but I'm guessing the predominance of Met fans would love to have him on their team... just make sure you guys are ready to have it become a 3 ring circus once he joins the team.

Why would anyone hate adding the best player in modern baseball to their team?

that's exactly what i thought before he joined the team... then he pulls a grandstanding act like the one him & his agent just pulled & you see exactly what drives Arod, & that's hearing his name in the papers & on ESPN... he's an alltime great player, but be prepared to have it become a circus once he joins your team... & he's going to love every minute of it.

The Yankees were a circus long before Arod came on board. I don't remember it being a circus in Texas. Besides I don't really expect him to sign with the Mets when their glaring weakness is in the pen, possibly finding another starter, and finding a catcher.
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