Posted by Nalod:

Bring back larry, he can be the new billy martin to Dolan as the real billy was to Steinbrenner.

Grunwald is not a bad choice and he actually did not do as bad in Toronto as was originally thought. He set the table for Colangelos "miricle" much like Layden set the table for Isiahs financial rampage and the league tampon to obsorbe the bloated malcontents of the NBA.

First when picking I:

Don't starphuch!!!!! One need not have a retread. Get a young guy who has the intellegence to devise a plan and STICK TO IT! We will question him at first. If he is a little geeky guy, he will get lots of flack for doing what is needed. Then he gets to choose his coach. Not Dolan, but the GM.

I hope its someone we don't know or ever heard of. Maybe some Euro superstar who tells our divas to phuch off in languages they don't know. Get some Russian hardass to beat this team into submission. A russian "larry" type player. Dolan should set aside 50 mil to buy out who needs to go and do the rebuild right!!!!!

I do't want to hears "fratello" this, or "Logo" that, or how Magic Johnson can bring this team around. No starphuching is gonna be tangable enough to turn it around.

Build the team with winners from good solid programs. Men of character who want to play.

Naold - your use of the vapid word "starphuching" is impressive. Rather than a simple howl against the moon, how about naming exact candidates who can meet the Knicks criteria (which you are welcome to state and additional requirements) and handle New York City and it's special demands?

Rick would be a great choice!!! I like it. Passion on the side lines. Bringing discipline back to the court. Not this side show that Isiah's been putting together.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Vmart:

There are a lot of choices out there, but I have a gut feeling Isiah is gonna find a way to keep his job this year. The Knicks win 44 games and make the playoffs thats reaon enough to keep him around.

VMart - a LOT of choices? what candidates are "out there"?

Please name 3 who can meet the demands of the Knicks job and deliver the goods.

[Edited by - misterearl on 10-27-2007 7:58 PM]

Posted by FireIsiah:

Posted by bigbeast:

Wouldn't mind bringing in Greg Anthony for an interview for the GM position.

That is an awful idea.

Totally agree. Never!

Posted by Bobby:

mr.earl, nothing against your thread, i could give a flying phuch who has next. i can't just cant stomach zeke going out like this.....and i hope the players don't either

go knicks!

Bobby - I feel you. I have a sense the Knicks players understand they are in "circle the wagons" mode. As they are ALL a result of Isiah's selection, there would seem to be a degree of loyalty to the man who made the choice.

As the media has gone to additional lengths to infer Isiah's mood it is ironic that now that the confident/arrogant smile is gone, his frown and curt responses are now worth extra notes. Could it be a deliberate play to force Dolan's media-sensitive hand? If Larry Brown was out of line in his media dealings...?

Or is Isiah just hiding something else?

We KNOW that players are quick to adopt the personality of their coach or manager. Basketball players spend more time together in a more intimate setting than ANY other major pro sport.

With that in mind, how long does it take for the new "edgy" Knicks to take on a more defensive personality? Has Zeke's dour public personality already spread to Knicks players (with their well-rehearsed minimalist answers) and coaches (barely meeting their minimum required press face time ) in their dealings with the media?

This Broadway play is about to begin... and if you have followed the Knicks for more than 5 years you KNOW one thing:

expect the unexpected



[Edited by - misterearl on 10-27-2007 8:05 PM]

Key word...probably. Hard to get a real feel for a persons personality when there job is to be (lets face it) an entertainer. Greg on Camera is perhaps a lot different than Greg off camera. Perfect example look at Isiah. He's a charmer in front of a mic and on camera but some things have come out about him off the camera that isn't so appealing.

If Jerry Colangelo is the only one capable of pulling us out of this mess in your humble opinion, if he turns us down, where do we turn? BTW, there are GM's and execs in this league besides Colangelo that rebuilt teams and led them to the upper echelon of the league and have won championships since he first took over the Suns. The game of basketball doesn't begin nor end with him.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 27-10-2007 7:11 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 27-10-2007 7:12 PM]

We need someone who is/was successful and with EXPERIENCE. This is NYC, not Utah! We need someone with PATIENCE, someone who is understanding of the NY media, someone with a successful track record that all fans respect, someone who is not afraid to tell Dolan what needs to be done in order to build a winning franchise from the top to the bottom, someone who can accept criticism as we rebuild, someone who is not afraid to keep the fans informed whether it's through print media or come onto the radio and talk about his plan,(like Checketts used to do) and finally someone who is not afraid to publically criticize millionaire players if they are out of shape and/or playing like ****. (All the great coaches and gm's do this) In other words, we need the anti-Isiah here in NYC.

Posted by misterearl:

Posted by Nalod:

Bring back larry, he can be the new billy martin to Dolan as the real billy was to Steinbrenner.

Grunwald is not a bad choice and he actually did not do as bad in Toronto as was originally thought. He set the table for Colangelos "miricle" much like Layden set the table for Isiahs financial rampage and the league tampon to obsorbe the bloated malcontents of the NBA.

First when picking I:

Don't starphuch!!!!! One need not have a retread. Get a young guy who has the intellegence to devise a plan and STICK TO IT! We will question him at first. If he is a little geeky guy, he will get lots of flack for doing what is needed. Then he gets to choose his coach. Not Dolan, but the GM.

I hope its someone we don't know or ever heard of. Maybe some Euro superstar who tells our divas to phuch off in languages they don't know. Get some Russian hardass to beat this team into submission. A russian "larry" type player. Dolan should set aside 50 mil to buy out who needs to go and do the rebuild right!!!!!

I do't want to hears "fratello" this, or "Logo" that, or how Magic Johnson can bring this team around. No starphuching is gonna be tangable enough to turn it around.

Build the team with winners from good solid programs. Men of character who want to play.

Naold - your use of the vapid word "starphuching" is impressive. Rather than a simple howl against the moon, how about naming exact candidates who can meet the Knicks criteria (which you are welcome to state and additional requirements) and handle New York City and it's special demands?

Papabear Says

Lets get real!! Zeke ain't going nowhere till this Court Apeal is over. It may take months or even a year. Unless Dolan plans to shell out the 11.5 million plus a possible 10 million more. Dolan and Zeke are joined to the hip. If you bring in another GM or Coach you can kiss this season goodby. No team wants Crawford or Marbs right now. Curry either. The team is stuck with Zekes dream for this season. Dolan don't want Zeke turning on him with a new trial.
They should have paid Ms Brown off. Or just maybe Zeke is telling the truth and we need to examine the whole film. If Ms Browns lawyers did doctor up the tapes, they have a problem because the tapes just might get thrown out. Zeke can't be moved right now.

Papabear

Papa, those tapes will have nothing to do with the appeals process.

You speak of these tapes as possibly being "doctored". That usually suggests a certain technical trickery that requires video experts to detect. Nothing of the sort happened here. This was simply a matter of the prosecution showing the most relevant portions from hours of deposition tapes.

If the defense team felt it would serve their case to show additional portions they had the opportunity to do so then, during the trial. That the defense team didn't suggests there was nothing there to defend him.

BTW, the appeals process isn't designed so that every defendant gets two tries to prove himself innocent. The appeals process isn't a new juried trial (though it can sometimes result in one), it's briefs submitted to a panel of judges asserting that something clerical or administratively was mishandled by the court. Your own defense team neglecting to show additional footage, that was imminently available to them, is not grounds to have the decision overturned, unless perhaps you are claiming that your lawyers were incompetent.

If, and it's probably a long shot as most decisions are held, this decision were overruled then a new trial might be held. But how attractive is it to re-air this case with the possibility of accumulating additional fines and fees? The best they might hope for would be to have Anusha still accept a lower settlement to avoid the cost and hassle of the appeals process.

If Dolan were smart he'd put this behind him as quickly as possible. But prudent behavior is the last thing we've come to expect from him.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Papa, those tapes will have nothing to do with the appeals process.

You speak of these tapes as possibly being "doctored". That usually suggests a certain technical trickery that requires video experts to detect. Nothing of the sort happened here. This was simply a matter of the prosecution showing the most relevant portions from hours of deposition tapes.

If the defense team felt it would serve their case to show additional portions they had the opportunity to do so then, during the trial. That the defense team didn't suggests there was nothing there to defend him.

BTW, the appeals process isn't designed so that every defendant gets two tries to prove himself innocent. The appeals process isn't a new juried trial (though it can sometimes result in one), it's briefs submitted to a panel of judges asserting that something clerical or administratively was mishandled by the court. Your own defense team neglecting to show additional footage, that was imminently available to them, is not grounds to have the decision overturned, unless perhaps you are claiming that your lawyers were incompetent.

If, and it's probably a long shot as most decisions are held, this decision were overruled then a new trial might be held. But how attractive is it to re-air this case with the possibility of accumulating additional fines and fees? The best they might hope for would be to have Anusha still accept a lower settlement to avoid the cost and hassle of the appeals process.

If Dolan were smart he'd put this behind him as quickly as possible. But prudent behavior is the last thing we've come to expect from him.

Blue, Papa Bear is just playing dead. He knows the tapes represent nothing other than another one of Jimmy and Isiah's myriad of excuses they use to blame for their failures. Blame the media, blame Scott Layden, blame Lenny Wilkens, blame Larry Brown, blame injuries, blame the fans booing, blame Anucha, and now blame the "spliced tape." blame blame blame. It's never their fault. This goes back to the no accountability theme that runs rampant through the Garden of doom created by none other James Dolan.

Posted by djsunyc:

the "spliced tape" had to be ok'd by isiah's attorneys before they were aired to the jury.

Yeah, we all know Isiah is bluffing. The rest of the tape shows Dolan blowing Isiah under the table.

Isiah Thomas isn't going anywhere. Jimmy Dolan loves him, and loves the job he's been doing. Also, they bonded big time while double-teaming Anucha.