Posted by RemBee76:

Bip, I think my point was germane to the discussion and not at all inane.

You asked how someone would feel the need to defend the 33 win record, I pointed out that it isn’t the record they are defending but the notion that there was progress made last season (the idea that some people are happy with 33 wins is one of those annoying generalizations that comes up and no, I’m not accusing you of making it). I know you have heard the arguments that we only improved because of the easy schedule, and that the injuries are just a lame excuse. My boy tomverve once made the excellent observation that simple minds use the term “excuse” to dismiss contributing factors to a situation that complicate their simplistic world-view. I think he is right.

You may think none of this applies to you and is therefore outside of the scope of the discussion. I think it does apply to a number of people here, some of whom have contributed to this very thread, so I don’t think it out of place.

However, I would say that I am not in the habit of reading every contribution to a thread. I don’t have the time, and I tend to only read the posters I think won’t make me dumber for having read what they write. So sometime I read your posts without knowing what led up to it. If this means I sometimes take your post out of context, I apologize.

I wouldn’t want anything to happen to your cat.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by RemBee76:

Bip, I think my point was germane to the discussion and not at all inane.

You asked how someone would feel the need to defend the 33 win record, I pointed out that it isn’t the record they are defending but the notion that there was progress made last season (the idea that some people are happy with 33 wins is one of those annoying generalizations that comes up and no, I’m not accusing you of making it). I know you have heard the arguments that we only improved because of the easy schedule, and that the injuries are just a lame excuse. My boy tomverve once made the excellent observation that simple minds use the term “excuse” to dismiss contributing factors to a situation that complicate their simplistic world-view. I think he is right.

You may think none of this applies to you and is therefore outside of the scope of the discussion. I think it does apply to a number of people here, some of whom have contributed to this very thread, so I don’t think it out of place.

However, I would say that I am not in the habit of reading every contribution to a thread. I don’t have the time, and I tend to only read the posters I think won’t make me dumber for having read what they write. So sometime I read your posts without knowing what led up to it. If this means I sometimes take your post out of context, I apologize.

I wouldn’t want anything to happen to your cat.

Here is my quote:
It's so weird to me. An analyst predicts we will win 33 games and half the website throws a fit. Intense anger abounds. Yet when that team comes in and wins 33 games those same people blast others for being upset with the 33 wins.

What does what I said have to do with progress, or no progress or some conversation you've probably had with Isles or TrueBlue or someone else. The fact of the matter is it's the same every year. Joe Blow predicts 40-45 wins. "Experts" predict 33 wins. Joe Blow calls "experts" idiots and haters. Team wins 33 games. Joe Blow says we really would have won 40-45 games but..................Joe Blow2 predicts 37-42 wins. Joe Blow2 is called an idiot that doesn't "understand" stuff. "experts" predict 33 wins. Joe Blow2 says they may be right based on the last 7 years of my experience. Team wins 33 games. Joe Blow2 is upset. Joe Blow calls Joe Blow2 and idiot that doesn't see all the progress. And the cycle continues.

Personally Rembee you are preaching to the choir. Like you I saw obvious progress from LB's year to last year(how could we not). Not once have I disagreed with you. I still think the 33 wins was an underachievement. WE have too much talent for this nonsense.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by RemBee76:

Bip, I think my point was germane to the discussion and not at all inane.

You asked how someone would feel the need to defend the 33 win record, I pointed out that it isn’t the record they are defending but the notion that there was progress made last season (the idea that some people are happy with 33 wins is one of those annoying generalizations that comes up and no, I’m not accusing you of making it). I know you have heard the arguments that we only improved because of the easy schedule, and that the injuries are just a lame excuse. My boy tomverve once made the excellent observation that simple minds use the term “excuse” to dismiss contributing factors to a situation that complicate their simplistic world-view. I think he is right.

You may think none of this applies to you and is therefore outside of the scope of the discussion. I think it does apply to a number of people here, some of whom have contributed to this very thread, so I don’t think it out of place.

However, I would say that I am not in the habit of reading every contribution to a thread. I don’t have the time, and I tend to only read the posters I think won’t make me dumber for having read what they write. So sometime I read your posts without knowing what led up to it. If this means I sometimes take your post out of context, I apologize.

I wouldn’t want anything to happen to your cat.

Here is my quote:
It's so weird to me. An analyst predicts we will win 33 games and half the website throws a fit. Intense anger abounds. Yet when that team comes in and wins 33 games those same people blast others for being upset with the 33 wins.

What does what I said have to do with progress, or no progress or some conversation you've probably had with Isles or TrueBlue or someone else. The fact of the matter is it's the same every year. Joe Blow predicts 40-45 wins. "Experts" predict 33 wins. Joe Blow calls "experts" idiots and haters. Team wins 33 games. Joe Blow says we really would have won 40-45 games but..................Joe Blow2 predicts 37-42 wins. Joe Blow2 is called an idiot that doesn't "understand" stuff. "experts" predict 33 wins. Joe Blow2 says they may be right based on the last 7 years of my experience. Team wins 33 games. Joe Blow2 is upset. Joe Blow calls Joe Blow2 and idiot that doesn't see all the progress. And the cycle continues.

Personally Rembee you are preaching to the choir. Like you I saw obvious progress from LB's year to last year(how could we not). Not once have I disagreed with you. I still think the 33 wins was an underachievement. WE have too much talent for this nonsense.

My beef with that is if the team would have supported LB early like they did I SAY UGH what were fans projections for the team? I'm sure most fans thought the team would have won somewhere around 40gms if not more. Last yr the team was on pace to win 38gms before the injuries hit so I don't see how fans like you or Rembee can say you saw progress when you feel the 33win from last yr should have won more games. The fans who had a problem with the team during the LB season are saying the exact same thing you just said, the team should have won more than 23gms. What has happened is the LB season forced a ton of fans including yourself to lower your standard of what you feel progress is. On paper we've been a 45win team or better the past 3yrs and we haven't come close to that, therefore no progress has been made.

I'd like to add when the injuries hit, the team started to mail it in on ISAY UGH like they did with LB. A true sign of progress would have been seeing the team go all out at that point giving their best effort despite adversity regardless of what the results would have been. Considering they were in a playoff race.

If we go back 2 yrs before last season the team finished with 33wins. With all the roster overhaul since then and the team acquiring younger and better players, yet they were on pace to only finish 5wins or so better last yr. Is that really progress? I think not!


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-26-2007 8:01 PM]

There is a difference between showing progress and actually being good TrueBlue. The fact that they listened to a coach and attempted at times to play defense and only mailed in a third of the season as opposed to all of it, IS PROGRESS. If they go from 33 wins to 38 wins, it is progress. Doesn't mean I don't think the team still stinks and needs more changes. The fact that three years ago we didn't have one player that cared about anything and now we have 5 or 6 IS PROGRESS. Not sure I'm lowering my standards when I'm saying we have progressed from the LB season. We have.

Posted by RemBee76:

Either that, or you guys come from some seriously F'd up families. If you are currently in a relationship I would recommend counseling.

Hey, what if in the first year of marriage his wife was old, ugly and couldn't have kids, while in the second year she was young, hot, and fertile.

He'd still be beating on her, but he has a better wife.

You guys know what I am saying?