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RemBee76
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10/19/2007  1:40 PM
No, you are the one implying that a 91% renewal rate means they sold 9% fewer tickets.

Every year a percentage of season ticket holders decide not to renew. That doesn't mean those are the only ones sold for the season. After 1998 MSG had a (then) high of 96% renewal. Does that mean they sold 4% fewer season tickets that year?

I know it’s tough to get, but think on it a little bit before replying again this time.
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10/19/2007  1:48 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

No, you are the one implying that a 91% renewal rate means they sold 9% fewer tickets.

Every year a percentage of season ticket holders decide not to renew. That doesn't mean those are the only ones sold for the season. After 1998 MSG had a (then) high of 96% renewal. Does that mean they sold 4% fewer season tickets that year?

I know it’s tough to get, but think on it a little bit before replying again this time.

No, they're the ones putting this misleading stuff out.

Blame them if you don't like how it's interpreted.

Blame misterearl for posting it like it meant something.

I doubt you will though.
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10/19/2007  1:53 PM
Frankly Isles, it isn't misleading at all if you have a brain.
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10/19/2007  2:14 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Frankly Isles, it isn't misleading at all if you have a brain.

Yes because bringing up apples and oranges isn't misleading.

Why did the Knicks do it?

To take another swipe at LB and blame him for their situation. And to make themselves look better than they are.

Now why don't you take them to task for that?
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10/19/2007  2:35 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

No, you are the one implying that a 91% renewal rate means they sold 9% fewer tickets.

Every year a percentage of season ticket holders decide not to renew. That doesn't mean those are the only ones sold for the season. After 1998 MSG had a (then) high of 96% renewal. Does that mean they sold 4% fewer season tickets that year?

I know it’s tough to get, but think on it a little bit before replying again this time.

No Rembee, maybe you should read what other people write. No one said that there were no new subscriptions. But the article doesn't say how many new subscriptions there were. Instead it claims that fewer subscription drop outs than last year is some kind of victory. Hurray!!!

We're attacking their incomplete information as propganda.
The Knicks report a 91-percent renewal rate on season tickets, a strong number and significantly higher than last October.

Big deal! So maybe they've already gotten rid of the casual season ticket holders, and a higher percentage are die-hard fans.



[Edited by - panos on 19-10-2007 2:39 PM]
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Posted by Panos:
No one said that there were no new subscriptions.

Actually yes, isles did when he said that the 91% renewal rate was equivelent to a 9% drop in sales. No one knows what the drop in sales will be, if any, because so far as I know season tickets are still available.

When has the New York Post been known to propagandize in favor of MSG anyway?

And Isles, reading is fundamental. Tell me where the Post takes a swipe at Larry Brown.
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10/19/2007  2:50 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by Panos:
No one said that there were no new subscriptions.

Actually yes, isles did when he said that the 91% renewal rate was equivelent to a 9% drop in sales.

where did he say that. I don't see it.
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10/19/2007  2:56 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Free Huey

Meanwhile, back in the jungle... and speaking of raising the curtain on a new season:

The Knicks report a 91-percent renewal rate on season tickets, a strong number and significantly higher than last October. The deadline for renewals was June 21 - well before the Sept. 10 trial date and Oct. 2 verdict in which the Garden and Thomas was found liable for sexual harassment following a salacious three-week, front-page trial.

Last year, season-ticket sales were down a whopping 20 percent, stemming from the 23-59 disaster and Larry Brown fiasco. The Knicks, however, went on to sell out 17 of their last 20 games and finish eighth in average attendance (18,805).

- NYPost


[Edited by - misterearl on 10-19-2007 12:29 PM]

Part of the problem is that Earl's quote from the Post article compares two different things - "season ticket renewals for 2007-2008" and "season ticket sales for 2006-2007."

According to the quote: Last year, season-ticket sales were down a whopping 20 percent.

As Rembee points out, we don't have the figures on season ticket sales this year, so we can't know if they are down or up or the same. All we know is that 91% of season ticket holders (among them that sucker djsunyc) renewed.




[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-19-2007 14:58]
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10/19/2007  2:59 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by Panos:
No one said that there were no new subscriptions.

Actually yes, isles did when he said that the 91% renewal rate was equivelent to a 9% drop in sales.

where did he say that. I don't see it.

Yeah, I don't see that either. Go figure.
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10/19/2007  3:00 PM
I wonder how many season ticket renewals there were for the 2006-2007 season?
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10/19/2007  3:00 PM
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"We don't have the figures on season ticket sales this year, so we can't know if they are down or up or the same. All we know is that 91% of season ticket holders (among them that sucker djsunyc) renewed."

How else is dj gunna do his pulitzer prize quality reports from 404?

that was sum funny ish
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10/19/2007  3:00 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

When has the New York Post been known to propagandize in favor of MSG anyway?

LMAO Really? I guess you mean other than today.

You've never read Marc Berman's columns, have you?
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10/19/2007  3:02 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

And Isles, reading is fundamental. Tell me where the Post takes a swipe at Larry Brown.

"Last year, season-ticket sales were down a whopping 20 percent, stemming from the 23-59 disaster and Larry Brown fiasco."

Yes, Reading is Fundamental.
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10/19/2007  3:07 PM
Thanks BJ. Coming from me, these guys aren't going to take it.

Isles, you are saying Larry Brown's tenure here wasn't a fiasco?

I've never heard even an ardent LB supporter say otherwise.
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10/19/2007  3:09 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Thanks BJ. Coming from me, these guys aren't going to take it.

Isles, you are saying Larry Brown's tenure here wasn't a fiasco?

I've never heard even an ardent LB supporter say otherwise.


Are you trying to divert attention from the fact that you can't (or don't) read?
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10/19/2007  3:14 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Thanks BJ. Coming from me, these guys aren't going to take it.

Isles, you are saying Larry Brown's tenure here wasn't a fiasco?

I've never heard even an ardent LB supporter say otherwise.

No, I'm saying that it's unfair to categorize it as "the Larry Brown fiasco".

Why not Isiah's fiasco? He was the one who picked Brown.

Why not Dolan's fiasco? He was the one that signed off on hiring Brown.

Why not the Knicks fiasco? They were the ones that underperformed and fought Brown's attempts to coach them.

To put Larry Brown's name on it can easily be taken as a swipe against him.
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10/19/2007  3:21 PM
I think it's a badly written article that tends to confuse rather than enlighten:
KNICKS' TICKET SALES STEADY
By MARC BERMAN

October 19, 2007 -- The Knicks have not experienced a season-ticket falloff because of the 11.6 million Isiah Thomas-Anucha Browne Sanders sexual harassment verdict. [How can we know until the final sales are reported?]

The Knicks report a 91-percent renewal rate on season tickets, a strong number and significantly higher than last October. [What was the season ticket renewal number that was reported last October?] The deadline for renewals was June 21 - well before the Sept. 10 trial date and Oct. 2 verdict in which the Garden and Thomas was found liable for sexual harassment following a salacious three-week, front-page trial.[So the trial could still cause potential new season-ticket buyers to decide not to buy, right?]

Last year, season-ticket sales were down a whopping 20 percent [And we don't now what they are this year.], stemming from the 23-59 disaster and Larry Brown fiasco. The Knicks, however, went on to sell out 17 of their last 20 games and finish eighth in average attendance (18,805).



[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-19-2007 15:31]
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Posted by BasketballJones:

I think it's a badly written article that tends to confuse rather than enlighten:
October 19, 2007 -- The Knicks have not experienced a season-ticket falloff because of the 11.6 million Isiah Thomas-Anucha Browne Sanders sexual harassment verdict. [How can we know until the final sales are reported?]

The Knicks report a 91-percent renewal rate on season tickets, a strong number and significantly higher than last October. [What was the season ticket renewal number that was reported last October?] The deadline for renewals was June 21 - well before the Sept. 10 trial date and Oct. 2 verdict in which the Garden and Thomas was found liable for sexual harassment following a salacious three-week, front-page trial.[So the trial could still cause potential new season-ticket buyers to decide not to, right?]

Last year, season-ticket sales were down a whopping 20 percent, stemming from the 23-59 disaster and Larry Brown fiasco. The Knicks, however, went on to sell out 17 of their last 20 games and finish eighth in average attendance (18,805).
[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-19-2007 15:22]

Exactly. It's intended to confuse and mislead.

It's propaganda plain and simple.

Oh wait, MSG propaganda would never appear in the NY Post.

Hmm, do you think Berman figured these numbers out on his own or do you think MSG sent out a press release with this "information" and Berman and the Post happily printed it?
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10/19/2007  3:25 PM
Isles, the discussion was about a particular point in time when dissatisfaction with the team led to a drop in ticket sales, post-Brown's tenure as coach. Calling it Isiah's fiasco, or Dolan's fiasco, wouldn't be specific to that because we are still experiencing those fiascos.

And if you really think Brown doesn't deserve blame for how poorly his tenure went as Knick coach, we'll have to agree do disagree.
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10/19/2007  3:28 PM
Maybe we should be wondering why some "fans" get their under things all in a bunch when someone notes how MSG got more renewals they expected.
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