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Cartman718
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10/15/2007  9:23 PM
Posted by 4949:

Haters = Realists
Lovers = Foolishness

i wonder why we cant be both?
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islesfan
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10/15/2007  9:31 PM
Posted by Cartman718:
Posted by 4949:

Haters = Realists
Lovers = Foolishness

i wonder why we cant be both?

Because we said so, retread.
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10/15/2007  9:41 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Cartman718:
Posted by 4949:

Haters = Realists
Lovers = Foolishness

i wonder why we cant be both?

Because we said so, retread.

whoa whoa no need for name calling. and i'll be both hater and lover.....as needed.
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10/15/2007  9:53 PM
Posted by Cartman718:
Posted by 4949:

Haters = Realists
Lovers = Foolishness

i wonder why we cant be both?

What' realistic and foolish at the same time?
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10/15/2007  10:24 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:
Blue: I remember those times and you and I had some real heated discussions during those times, I could definately see your frustration then, but out of that mess, I think you and I have become pretty cool and respectful of each other views and have learned a lot from one another. I will say that you were correct about marbury from the start, I tried to give him the benifit of the doubt, but you hit that one out of the ball park....


Thanks bro, you've manned up about that stuff several times and I appreiciate. You've always been a straight up guy and I always knew exactly where you were coming from.

I happen to feel otherwise about some of the other mods back there, particulalry at the top of the Knicks board, but we'll save that for off-list sometime.

You still have family in NY, you gonna come to a UK hookup sometime?


yea, I have plenty of family In NY. aunts, uncles, my brother lives there part of the year, actually 70% of my family lives in NY still... I do plan to come up this season and hook up with the UK family for sure....
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10/16/2007  9:50 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I'm trying to think when it actually occurred....

It happened sometime after Chaney was allowed to lead practice only later to be led out of the Garden and up to the gallows. "Strange fruit hanging from the poplar tree..."

It happened sometime after Isiah blew the chance for Fratello and decided to go with Lenny Wilkens, apparently with the intent of playing him like a puppet.

It came sometime after Marbury and Wilkens didn't call a time-out, and we lost, so they blamed Shandon Anderson because the fans needed them to, or Isiah told them to.

It came sometime after giving the the Nets the first two playoffs game without any effort whatsoever. It came after Marbury played valiantly for 30 mins of the next two games only to throw them away in crunch time.

It came sometime after Marbury demonstrated zero ability to work with the all-star "athletic" types, which everyone said he needed to be at his best, in the Olympics. It came sometime after Brown almost got him sent home from Athens for being uncoachable.

Those first 6 months they got more than a pass from me, I was their biggest supporter (on the basketballboards.net). I think BigC can attest to that. Up till then I was as big a starphucker as anyone. I would have preferred a strip-down rebuild, but somehow I thought Isiah/Marbury could be almost as good. I thought they had NY moxy.

Ha! Pitiful me.

Then came that summer of free-agency, where it seemed Isiah might get every FA on the market. At one point it looked like we might get Kobe, Vince, Crawford, Sheed, Webber, Dampier, SAR and Walker... all of them!!! With little more than expiring contracts and the MLE. Talk was in the air of Isiah for executive of the year, if he could only get that stud of studs... Dampier.

But of course, all we got was Crawful and Gin Baker. Reality was hitting home.

I assure you through this time these happenings did not go unnoticed by me. Cracks were starting to form in my armor, but I was still a lover, because my soul waas weak. Like many of you, I wasn't in my right mind. I was a junkie in need of a fix after being strung out for years under Layden, and Isiah and Marbury looked like the the hero, the heroine and the needle.

Then started the new 2004-2005 season.

It came sometime after we realized TT would always be the one true Fugazy.

It came sometime after every backup PG in the league had their best games against Steph, and it wasn't because they came pumped to play in the mecca, it was because Steph likes to rest on D.

It even came after Marbury declared himself "the best" and the team quit on him. It happened, in fact, immediately after that.

That was around the time that Marbury was telling Wilkens to take his coaching and shove it. It was around the time Marbury was making speeches about togetherness and self-sacrifice but then heading for a massage while the others scrimmaged. It was around that time that Kurt, the last of our old-school warriors, was telling Marbury he wasn't afraid of him (an obvious reference to Marbury's indulged relationship with isiah) and he'd kick his butt. It was around that time that Marbury was telling his friends and nepotistic cousins that he ran the team, not that "black 'ho". It was around that time that Isiah was harassing and firing coworkers. It was round that time that Isiah was Lording over Wilkens from the tunnel and telling him who to play and who to sit.

Yes, all that turmoil was brewing and I could sense it, there was something foul in the air and the record reflected it. Wilknes, the scapegoat of the day, knew it was time to get out, so he did. It didn't matter if he quit or got fired. it wouldn't work and it couldn't work. And this soulless vessel tanked to the bottom like a ship without a hull, and it's yet to recover because the demons who sank us are still manning the bridge.

Larry couldn't save us - and even if he could, Isiah wouldn't let him. Eddy can't save us, and Zach can't save us. Not even the the Great White (role player) Hope, Lee, can save us. This isn't just a company without a "head" - it also lacks backbone and integrity. It was created by the "third-base kid" and a popcorn magnate during a drunken toga party. Dolan wanted to sleep with Magic but he wasn't available so he took home Isiah, Magic's sexy friend. Why not? She was pretty and available. And if Isiah wasn't available he'd have gone with Arsenio Hall or Tom Cruise - anyone with a smile bright enough to turn the lights back up on Broadway, that's who Dolan would set up in his Playboy mansion.

There is no leadership, direction or cause. It's about having money and spending it to look chic and keep up with the in-crowd. We're expensive but cheap. We've become the Paris Hilton of basketball franchises.

Dolan isn't trying to give us a team we can take home to mom and dad, to love and to marry... he's giving us an expensive whore to give us a quickie - and to hell with us if we get stuck with the crabs or genital warts. That's the price you pay to get off.

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-15-2007 01:21 AM]

I glossed over this post because I was in a hurry to hear myself post. Now that I've gone back and read it. Wow!
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Bippity10
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10/16/2007  10:30 AM
Typical Conversaton between a lover and a hater

Lover: you are a hater, you hater, why do you hate so much. Can't you see that Zach is Willis Reed.

Hater: He is not. YOu are such a lover

Lover: Oh yea, you hater!

Hater: Yeah......No wait, double yeah.

Lover: YOu guys hate the Knicks so much you haters. You think the team will stink. YOu should root for the the Celtics. I think the Knicks will be great.

Hater: Yeah, you probably think the team will win 50 games.

Lover: No I predict 38-43

Hater: Me too. That's weird.
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10/16/2007  10:43 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Typical Conversaton between a lover and a hater

Lover: you are a hater, you hater, why do you hate so much. Can't you see that Zach is Willis Reed.

Hater: He is not. YOu are such a lover

Lover: Oh yea, you hater!

Hater: Yeah......No wait, double yeah.

Lover: YOu guys hate the Knicks so much you haters. You think the team will stink. YOu should root for the the Celtics. I think the Knicks will be great.

Hater: Yeah, you probably think the team will win 50 games.

Lover: No I predict 38-43

Hater: Me too. That's weird.

Just to play devil's advocate here for a moment...

The difference would appear to be that the Lovers want the Knicks to win 38-43 games
Whereas the haters want the Knicks to lose 39-44 games.
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10/16/2007  10:45 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:

Typical Conversaton between a lover and a hater

Lover: you are a hater, you hater, why do you hate so much. Can't you see that Zach is Willis Reed.

Hater: He is not. YOu are such a lover

Lover: Oh yea, you hater!

Hater: Yeah......No wait, double yeah.

Lover: YOu guys hate the Knicks so much you haters. You think the team will stink. YOu should root for the the Celtics. I think the Knicks will be great.

Hater: Yeah, you probably think the team will win 50 games.

Lover: No I predict 38-43

Hater: Me too. That's weird.

Just to play devil's advocate here for a moment...

The difference would appear to be that the Lovers want the Knicks to win 38-43 games
Whereas the haters want the Knicks to lose 39-44 games.

You may actually be correct on that one
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10/16/2007  12:45 PM
I think I'm more of a hater of haters of haters than a Knicks hater.
islesfan
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10/16/2007  12:47 PM
This thread is getting much too deep and existential.

Can't we just go back to, I hate you, you hate me?

[Edited by - islesfan on 10-16-2007 12:48 PM]
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10/16/2007  8:13 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I think I'm more of a hater of haters of haters than a Knicks hater.

That's lame.
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10/16/2007  8:41 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Typical Conversaton between a lover and a hater

Lover: you are a hater, you hater, why do you hate so much. Can't you see that Zach is Willis Reed.

Hater: He is not. YOu are such a lover

Lover: Oh yea, you hater!

Hater: Yeah......No wait, double yeah.

Lover: YOu guys hate the Knicks so much you haters. You think the team will stink. YOu should root for the the Celtics. I think the Knicks will be great.

Hater: Yeah, you probably think the team will win 50 games.

Lover: No I predict 38-43

Hater: Me too. That's weird.

Lover: By the way, would you do Anucha?

Hater: Just between you and me?

Lover: Yeah man.

Hater: S**t yeah I'd do her.

Lover: Me too man.

Hater: . . . sniff . . . I love you man.

Lover: . . .sniff sniff . . . I love you too man.
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10/16/2007  9:03 PM
Papabear Says

You haters are going back to 3 - 6 years ago. I go back to over 30 years of disappointments with the knicks and I'm still not a hater. Sure I'm not happy with certain things but I'm not a hater. Haters can't sit down and enjoy a game . They have too much hate in thie hearts. I'll be watching tomorrow night and weather they win or loose I'll still be a knicks fan.
Peace and Love to the haters.
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10/16/2007  9:08 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:

Typical Conversaton between a lover and a hater

Lover: you are a hater, you hater, why do you hate so much. Can't you see that Zach is Willis Reed.

Hater: He is not. YOu are such a lover

Lover: Oh yea, you hater!

Hater: Yeah......No wait, double yeah.

Lover: YOu guys hate the Knicks so much you haters. You think the team will stink. YOu should root for the the Celtics. I think the Knicks will be great.

Hater: Yeah, you probably think the team will win 50 games.

Lover: No I predict 38-43

Hater: Me too. That's weird.

Just to play devil's advocate here for a moment...

The difference would appear to be that the Lovers want the Knicks to win 38-43 games
Whereas the haters want the Knicks to lose 39-44 games.

Papabear Says

Listen it's just a game and these guys will get paid no matter what.Hey enjoy yourself.

Papabear

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10/16/2007  9:10 PM
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear Says

You haters are going back to 3 - 6 years ago. I go back to over 30 years of disappointments with the knicks and I'm still not a hater. Sure I'm not happy with certain things but I'm not a hater. Haters can't sit down and enjoy a game . They have too much hate in thie hearts. I'll be watching tomorrow night and weather they win or loose I'll still be a knicks fan.
Peace and Love to the haters.
Papabear

papa -

you know not of what you speak.

tune into a game thread during the regular season.

"haters" are the one s leading the cheers for this s**t-kicking 33-win $125 million team to actually win.

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10/16/2007  9:45 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear Says

You haters are going back to 3 - 6 years ago. I go back to over 30 years of disappointments with the knicks and I'm still not a hater. Sure I'm not happy with certain things but I'm not a hater. Haters can't sit down and enjoy a game . They have too much hate in thie hearts. I'll be watching tomorrow night and weather they win or loose I'll still be a knicks fan.
Peace and Love to the haters.
Papabear

papa -

you know not of what you speak.

tune into a game thread during the regular season.

"haters" are the one s leading the cheers for this s**t-kicking 33-win $125 million team to actually win.

Exactly. I don't know how he could know if we're enjoying the games or not. I LOVE those rare occasions when the Knicks win and I show it in the game threads. I don't know how some newbie would who's been here for only one NBA month would know who enjoys games and who doesn't.
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10/16/2007  11:04 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear Says

You haters are going back to 3 - 6 years ago. I go back to over 30 years of disappointments with the knicks and I'm still not a hater. Sure I'm not happy with certain things but I'm not a hater. Haters can't sit down and enjoy a game . They have too much hate in thie hearts. I'll be watching tomorrow night and weather they win or loose I'll still be a knicks fan.
Peace and Love to the haters.
Papabear

papa -

you know not of what you speak.

tune into a game thread during the regular season.

"haters" are the one s leading the cheers for this s**t-kicking 33-win $125 million team to actually win.

Exactly. I don't know how he could know if we're enjoying the games or not. I LOVE those rare occasions when the Knicks win and I show it in the game threads. I don't know how some newbie would who's been here for only one NBA month would know who enjoys games and who doesn't.

Papabear Says

Call me what you want but I am one of the few who was at the games in the 2 championship seasons. The feeling I experienced is hard to explain. The after parties and fun. I was in it! and enjoyed it.
How many of you haters had that experience?? I Know what it feels like to win a championship as a New York Knicks fan.

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10/17/2007  12:37 AM
None of that addresses how you could possibly know how other posters feel during games.
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10/17/2007  2:22 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear Says

You haters are going back to 3 - 6 years ago. I go back to over 30 years of disappointments with the knicks and I'm still not a hater. Sure I'm not happy with certain things but I'm not a hater. Haters can't sit down and enjoy a game . They have too much hate in thie hearts. I'll be watching tomorrow night and weather they win or loose I'll still be a knicks fan.
Peace and Love to the haters.
Papabear

papa -

you know not of what you speak.

I love it when Marv gets philosophical.
Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
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