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10/15/2007  5:58 PM
Yeah Bip. Leave the basketball talk to us experts.
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10/15/2007  6:01 PM
This comparison of Zach to Reed reminds me of some of the tripe people used to throw out about Marbury vs Clyde, and then talk about Marbury's 20/8 being second to Oscar.

Here's what you need to know about Clyde: he considered himself a playemaker first, a defender second, and a scorer third. And this is from a guy who averaged well over 20 ppg in his prime and led the team in scoring in their championship season. There's no comparison to Marbury, who considers himself a pimp first, and there is no second or thirds. His stats have never amounted to anything tangible.

Reed, in one season was voted the NBA Most Valuable Player, the All-Star Game MVP and the NBA Finals MVP, and first team all-NBA. He considered center his natural position, he anchored the team on defense, he was a model of good character on a team of good character, and his conditioning and preparedness was never in question. Though small for a center at 6'9 he was a giant among bigmen, and it's no wonder why he later became a coach and executive. He's the kind of guy any organization wants to have around for a long time.

Zach is a gifted offensive player with a good nose for rebounds. He's spoken of as a gym rat but his physique is always in question. One year he's too heavy, another too thin, he just never looks prime. His off court character is suspect at best and it's not clear he's someone an organization wants to hold onto for long. He's won no NBA awards, his teamwork and leadership is beyond suspect, and he's not a player many fans gravitate too, despite of his personal productivity numbers.

But yes, in spite of insurmountable differences, Clyde and Stiffbury both played PG, and Zach and Willis are both 6'9 lefties, so I guess comparisons can be made.
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10/15/2007  6:51 PM
BlueSeats - may I also remind you this is also a Marbury-free Zone

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10/15/2007  6:56 PM
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - may I also remind you this is also a Marbury-free Zone

thank you for your support


Am I correct in assuming that the Mike Sweeney to Charles Barklely comparisons would be off-limits too?

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10/15/2007  7:00 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:



There's no comparison to Marbury, who considers himself a pimp first, and there is no second or thirds.


I beg to differ Blue.... Marbury considers himself a Shoe Salesman first, Talk Show Host second, A Womanizier third and since Basketball is just a hobby then obviously it's Dead Last.

Man you really do not like Marbury.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-15-2007 6:04 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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10/15/2007  7:03 PM
The Answer Man Would Never Confuse Dean Meminger with Mo Cheeks

Q. blueseats - Am I correct in assuming that the Mike Sweeney to Charles Barkley comparisons would be off-limits too?

A. Without a doubt. But comparisons between Louis Orr and Jamal Crawford are in play

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10/15/2007  7:03 PM
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - may I also remind you this is also a Marbury-free Zone

thank you for your support

ROTFLMFAO @ your C & C Music Factory posting
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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10/15/2007  7:04 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:



There's no comparison to Marbury, who considers himself a pimp first, and there is no second or thirds.


I beg to differ Blue.... Marbury considers himself a Shoe Salesman first, Talk Show host second, A Womanizier third and since Basketball is just a hobby then obviously it's Dead Last.

Man you really do not like Marbury.

oh boy, remind me never to laugh out my nose again.
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10/15/2007  7:50 PM
Spooky Numbers That Confirm Neither Will Ever Be Confused With A High Flyer

In Willis Reed's sixth season he averaged 21.7 and 14 rebounds, shooting .509 from the field with 2 assists (161 total) per game and 0 blocked shots (was that stat even kept in 1969-70?)
and .756 in free throws

Zach, in his sixth season, averaged 23.6 and 10 rebounds, shot 47 from the field with 2.2 assists (147 total) and 15 blocked shots, total, and .819 in free throws.

Can Zach get any better or was last season his plateau?
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10/15/2007  7:57 PM
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - may I also remind you this is also a Marbury-free Zone

thank you for your support

I think he demonstrated the relevance quite clearly of the Marbury analogy to the current discussion of Zach Randolph. Do you really mean that this is an "analogy-free" zone?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-15-2007 7:58 PM]
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10/15/2007  8:00 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - may I also remind you this is also a Marbury-free Zone

thank you for your support


Am I correct in assuming that the Mike Sweeney to Charles Barklely comparisons would be off-limits too?


I guess we've moved on from the Frye Rasheed comparisons...

BTW, earl, who are we saying Chandler is going to be?

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10/15/2007  8:03 PM
(shouting) "Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?"

Q. Panos - BTW, earl, who are we saying Chandler is going to be?

A. The Mayor

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10/15/2007  8:05 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Spooky Numbers That Confirm Neither Will Ever Be Confused With A High Flyer

In Willis Reed's sixth season he averaged 21.7 and 14 rebounds, shooting .509 from the field with 2 assists (161 total) per game and 0 blocked shots (was that stat even kept in 1969-70?)
and .756 in free throws

Zach, in his sixth season, averaged 23.6 and 10 rebounds, shot 47 from the field with 2.2 assists (147 total) and 15 blocked shots, total, and .819 in free throws.

Can Zach get any better or was last season his plateau?
ONe thing that factors into stats is the Pace of the game. Some teams like the Suns play at such a high pace that they will get more possessions in each game than other slower paced teams. This has an overall effect on the stats of each player. back in the day even with all this defense that people think was being played, you had more scoring. i've watched TONS of old games and the level of D that was played in the 90's was much tougher. The athletes overall are much better now and it's harder to score even tho it seems like guys don't play D now a days. You have to put things in perspective for each period.

You've got guys like KG, Dirk and Odom who at their height have such quickness and handle that they can do things that make no sense for a guy that size to do. In comparison a guy like Zach seems like a poor defender and I think part of that is the near freakish nature of many NBA players now. Even Curry shouldn't be able to move like he does. He's like those Bumble Bees that physics suggest shouldn't be able to fly

There's no crime in looking at Zach as a lowercase Reed. He's similar enough for comparison. I think people look for too much sometimes when comparing players to all time greats. No one would say that he's "just" like him in every way, but he certainly reminds you of Reed in many ways, tho not all.
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10/15/2007  8:05 PM
Posted by misterearl:

(shouting) "Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?"

Q. Panos - BTW, earl, who are we saying Chandler is going to be?

A. The Mayor

Not biting on that one, eh?
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10/15/2007  8:07 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Spooky Numbers That Confirm Neither Will Ever Be Confused With A High Flyer

In Willis Reed's sixth season he averaged 21.7 and 14 rebounds, shooting .509 from the field with 2 assists (161 total) per game and 0 blocked shots (was that stat even kept in 1969-70?)
and .756 in free throws

Zach, in his sixth season, averaged 23.6 and 10 rebounds, shot 47 from the field with 2.2 assists (147 total) and 15 blocked shots, total, and .819 in free throws.

Can Zach get any better or was last season his plateau?

I don't think that stat was kept back then.

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10/15/2007  8:18 PM
Panos - actually I would submit that forwarding the candidacy of Wilson Chander as Mayor is more courageous than the chicken liver hearts who can only look in the rear view mirror and bitch and moan.

Some like Lee. A few like Balkman. (not much discussion of his health status amid all the Kobe threads) Nobody likes Curry, Isiah, the Dolan family, Jerome James, Gulf+Western, Vin Baker, the Keith Van Horn trade or Marbury. I get it.

I get it.

I think The Mayor will mature into a special player who is able to make varied contributions... and I'm willing to serve as his campaign manager before he's played a single regular season game - opposed to piling on someone the moral majority can't stand.

Who do you like?
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10/15/2007  8:34 PM
I'll give you credit for making a bold prediction about Chandler before he played one game. And just for the record: I enjoy reading your posts Earl, even though we usually argue!
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10/15/2007  8:43 PM
Bonn - Keep bringing the heat. I have no complaint with you or your (cough) associates. You already understand that once you enter this Knicks family there's no gettin' out.

We wouldn't be here if we didn't care. Unfortunately there could be a few turncoats among us that may need a visit from Paulie and Christopher.

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10/15/2007  9:30 PM
So why can't Zach play defense anywhere near the way Willis played defense?

Indeed
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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10/16/2007  7:42 AM
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"anywhere near" does not qualify as informed analysis nor does it have any rationale to back it up, which renders the opinion vapid and lacking any critical thought.

The difference is Willis played within the context of a team concept with three power forwards - one who never backed down, another who could cut you with his elbows and yet another who was a dominant defender in college but unheralded as a pro defender, which he was. There was also a complimentary set of small forwards in place - both who could spell the other on the offensive end to wear down opponents and play pestering defense.

Actually Willis and Zach's defensive skill-sets are similar. The supporting casts are different. That is not to suggest Zach plays defense with the same competitive zeal of Willis Reed. Willis was a winner. In order to shed his Portland baggage Zach must prove that he can help win games.



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