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Frye taking a shot at the Knicks?
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islesfan
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10/10/2007  8:57 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

Bynum should have been the pick for a team saying they were looking to accumulate young players with upside.
If they pick Bynum, they don't sign James to that ridiculous contract and they don't trade 2 lottery picks for Curry.

frye was coming off a great tournament where he took his team deep, blocked a bunch of shots, rebounded and scored. he was a very solid pick.

I agree marv......alot of us including me thought he would be a stud.....wrong kind of stud.....maybe we should have been specific.

I thought he'd be a dud from day one. Do I get some credit?
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10/10/2007  9:10 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by EnySpree:

^^^enough with that nonsense already.......frye is a puss and glad hes gone. nothing else to it.....no hidden agendas.

You avoided Isles' question.

He totally blew the pick. I foolishly supported it at the time, but I expect our team president to know more than I do!

i totally disagree. put yourself back into that time and place. who would have been better picks? ike d? hardly. granger? we needed to take the risk on a potential 6'11" contributor at that time more than an injured 6'8" guy. bynum? jury was out then and is still out now. jarret jack? no way he gets picked at 8 then, especially by a team with stephon marbury and no bigs.
I think Briggs was right about Bynum and the Lakers picked him because they're a more patient organization than the Knicks. Starbury has yet to show that he can play any role on a winning team. A guy like that shouldn't form the basis of your drafting decisions.

marbury was coming off a very solid season. jack wasn’t rated that high and it would have bean insane to take him 8th. bynum is showing potential but he was also benched by jackson for poor work ethic. in favor of that stellar performer kwame brown! bynum could still easily turn out to be benoit benjamin II and frye could have a solid career.
That was back in the days where I defended Starbury and had high hopes for him, while smarter posters like Islesfan understood his history of personality problems that interfere with team's success. I expect our GM to have the insight Isles had and not give up several draft picks and take over $100 mil in salaries in a trade for such a player and not to build a team around such a player.
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10/10/2007  9:17 PM
Frye was a bad pick. No doubt about it. But they all make bad picks. How many gm's passed on David Lee? He was one of the best players in that draft. Joe Dumars passed on Carmello, Wade and Bosh. Michael Redd was drafted in the second round. Going back in time, Willis Reed was also drafted in the second round. Red Auerbach passed on him to take Mel Counts. Drafting isn't an exact science.
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10/10/2007  9:18 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by EnySpree:

^^^enough with that nonsense already.......frye is a puss and glad hes gone. nothing else to it.....no hidden agendas.

You avoided Isles' question.

He totally blew the pick. I foolishly supported it at the time, but I expect our team president to know more than I do!

i totally disagree. put yourself back into that time and place. who would have been better picks? ike d? hardly. granger? we needed to take the risk on a potential 6'11" contributor at that time more than an injured 6'8" guy. bynum? jury was out then and is still out now. jarret jack? no way he gets picked at 8 then, especially by a team with stephon marbury and no bigs.
I think Briggs was right about Bynum and the Lakers picked him because they're a more patient organization than the Knicks. Starbury has yet to show that he can play any role on a winning team. A guy like that shouldn't form the basis of your drafting decisions.

marbury was coming off a very solid season. jack wasn’t rated that high and it would have bean insane to take him 8th. bynum is showing potential but he was also benched by jackson for poor work ethic. in favor of that stellar performer kwame brown! bynum could still easily turn out to be benoit benjamin II and frye could have a solid career.
That was back in the days where I defended Starbury and had high hopes for him, while smarter posters like Islesfan understood his history of personality problems that interfere with team's success. I expect our GM to have the insight Isles had and not give up several draft picks and take over $100 mil in salaries in a trade for such a player and not to build a team around such a player.

20/20 hindsight at its height.
Marv
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10/10/2007  9:19 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

Bynum should have been the pick for a team saying they were looking to accumulate young players with upside.

If they pick Bynum, they don't sign James to that ridiculous contract and they don't trade 2 lottery picks for Curry.

frye was coming off a great tournament where he took his team deep, blocked a bunch of shots, rebounded and scored. he was a very solid pick.

He was soft from the second sperm met egg. You don't waste a lottery pick on someone like him. He was never the type to carry a team. He was a typical Arizona big man. Soft, liked to play on the perimeter and didn't like contact unless it was against someone smaller.

at that pick who looked like such a great lottery pick then?
islesfan
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10/10/2007  9:21 PM
Yeah, you would think that a GM would have greater insight than that of any avid NBA fan. At least most Knicks fans can be excused since they can be blinded by their love for the team.
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islesfan
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10/10/2007  9:21 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

Bynum should have been the pick for a team saying they were looking to accumulate young players with upside.

If they pick Bynum, they don't sign James to that ridiculous contract and they don't trade 2 lottery picks for Curry.

frye was coming off a great tournament where he took his team deep, blocked a bunch of shots, rebounded and scored. he was a very solid pick.

He was soft from the second sperm met egg. You don't waste a lottery pick on someone like him. He was never the type to carry a team. He was a typical Arizona big man. Soft, liked to play on the perimeter and didn't like contact unless it was against someone smaller.

at that pick who looked like such a great lottery pick then?

Bynum
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
islesfan
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10/10/2007  9:25 PM
Even if Bynum doesn't pan out, although I think he will, I'd still rather take my chances with a player with his ceiling than someone like Frye.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Marv
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10/10/2007  9:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Even if Bynum doesn't pan out, although I think he will, I'd still rather take my chances with a player with his ceiling than someone like Frye.

legitimate risk but i'd say at best a toss-up with frye at that time.
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10/10/2007  9:34 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by EnySpree:

^^^enough with that nonsense already.......frye is a puss and glad hes gone. nothing else to it.....no hidden agendas.

You avoided Isles' question.

He totally blew the pick. I foolishly supported it at the time, but I expect our team president to know more than I do!

i totally disagree. put yourself back into that time and place. who would have been better picks? ike d? hardly. granger? we needed to take the risk on a potential 6'11" contributor at that time more than an injured 6'8" guy. bynum? jury was out then and is still out now. jarret jack? no way he gets picked at 8 then, especially by a team with stephon marbury and no bigs.
I think Briggs was right about Bynum and the Lakers picked him because they're a more patient organization than the Knicks. Starbury has yet to show that he can play any role on a winning team. A guy like that shouldn't form the basis of your drafting decisions.

marbury was coming off a very solid season. jack wasn’t rated that high and it would have bean insane to take him 8th. bynum is showing potential but he was also benched by jackson for poor work ethic. in favor of that stellar performer kwame brown! bynum could still easily turn out to be benoit benjamin II and frye could have a solid career.
That was back in the days where I defended Starbury and had high hopes for him, while smarter posters like Islesfan understood his history of personality problems that interfere with team's success. I expect our GM to have the insight Isles had and not give up several draft picks and take over $100 mil in salaries in a trade for such a player and not to build a team around such a player.

20/20 hindsight at its height.

It's hindsight for me (as I acknowledged) but it was foresight for a few other posters. And if message board posters have that degree of foresight, I expect the Knick management to.
islesfan
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10/10/2007  9:38 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

Even if Bynum doesn't pan out, although I think he will, I'd still rather take my chances with a player with his ceiling than someone like Frye.

legitimate risk but i'd say at best a toss-up with frye at that time.

I think it's harder to find a center with Bynum's skills than an average PF who likes to play on the perimeter.
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10/10/2007  9:56 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Even if Bynum doesn't pan out, although I think he will, I'd still rather take my chances with a player with his ceiling than someone like Frye.

I remember Mike Francesca quoted Jim Calhoun (who recruited Bynum before he put his name in the draft) as saying that Bynum was so underdeveloped that he wasn't a garauntee to crack the starting lineup at Uconn. Maybe that was sour grapes by Calhoun but it wasn't a ringing endorsement be any means.

I think Isiah felt that Frye could have a more immediate impact based off the way he played in the tournament.
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10/10/2007  9:58 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by islesfan:

Even if Bynum doesn't pan out, although I think he will, I'd still rather take my chances with a player with his ceiling than someone like Frye.

I remember Mike Francesca quoted Jim Calhoun (who recruited Bynum before he put his name in the draft) as saying that Bynum was so underdeveloped that he wasn't a garauntee to crack the starting lineup at Uconn. Maybe that was sour grapes by Calhoun but it wasn't a ringing endorsement be any means.

I think Isiah felt that Frye could have a more immediate impact based off the way he played in the tournament.

I've actually talked to Jimmy in person about Bynum. He says he has the ability to be a star but should have stayed in college to develop his game. If he went to college for two-three years stardom would be all but guaranteed. But without the personal guidance it's all up in the air.
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Frye taking a shot at the Knicks?

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