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10/4/2007  9:55 AM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

[The pick has been protected for years an only becomes unprotected if we dont win enough games by 2010

there you go. and there was no way our 2 unprotecteds for eddy were going to turn out to be the #2 and #9 pick either, right?
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10/4/2007  9:58 AM
I SAY UGH has made all these great trades, the players he acquired are great talents, and the coaching has been stellar don't look at our record as a basis to judge anything.


I looked at it yesterday and read to about the 2 paragraph and closed the link down. EPIC, COLOSSAL, ATROCIOUS, ABOMINABLE, DISGUSTING, LOATHSOME, DETESTABLE, ABHORRENT, MONUMENTAL, IMMENSE, piece of crap IN THE HISTORY of message board linking.
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10/4/2007  10:05 AM
COSSUCKS, Up until the last few months I truly could not stand marc berman non-stop haterade. However, I have softened bt stance on hime because he seems to be changing a bit. I also have yo give him credit for being virtually the only sportswriter in town to give shine to some of the incredible community initiatives that Stephon marbury was doing. I mean, even ESPN didn't cover the fact that Marbury pledged 4 million dollars to NYC policeman, firefighters, and teachers! I have written some about Starbury's (and sarah jessica Parker's) community service here: http://www.cosellout.com/?p=11

Nalod - Marbury's contract is absolutely meaningless and so is all the complaints about Isiah's spending. It is James Dolan's problem and this is explained in great detail in The Salary Cap Myth http://www.cosellout.com/?p=131 Besides all that, I thought marbury came on quite strong last year and expect 10 assists this year from him.

misterearl: LOL! I like to get to know folks first before i truly feel comfortable telling to STFU! I also find that while STFU usually makes me feel good, it tends to be a pretty good discussion-ender...
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10/4/2007  10:07 AM
"My work here is done"

Nalod - don't kid yourself, Layden's work was finished the moment you take a tally of what was given up to acquire Erick Strickland. In addition, I promise never to utter the names Marcus Camby, Nene or any of his draft picks. Not one. promise.

MS/TrueBlue - blinded by rage, you both are totally missing the point of the well-researched site. But that's about par.
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10/4/2007  10:09 AM
MODI

Is it pronounced Moe-Dee or Moo-Die?

and wasup with the all caps?

sheesh
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10/4/2007  10:09 AM
--Close-minded people annoy me.

-- People who want a collection of Michael Doleacs to become Michael Jordans overnight annoy me even more

For all the isiah haters I issue the following challenge: go into NBA history and find me a GM with a similarly bad roster who truned their team around in less than 5 years. Don't hate, do some homework.
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10/4/2007  10:11 AM
Moe-Dee

CAPS are just a habit? does it bother you?
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10/4/2007  10:11 AM
Posted by MODI:

Yes, COSSUCKS is right because I'm the author of the articles.

Firstly, I am happy to come across any site dedicated to the Knicks as I discovered it to through backlinks to the COSELLOUT blog. Besides, like everyone else, I want the Knicks to win! So, first and foremost I would like to address Solace's comments. I take criticism very well as I want to find truth first and foremost. However, that criticism must have a foundation and be well thought out.

Solace: you write: "This is a plain awful source of misinformation. Half of what was written wasn't even true"

Can you demonstrare which statements aren't true? If so, i will be happy to clarify.

"A site which claims that Isiah Thomas's "trading record is overwhelmingly positive" is on the brink of being one of the most ridiculous pieces of junk I've ever seen."

Okay then, which one of these trades would you take back? Please be specific.

1) Keith Van Horn becomes David Lee and Mardy Collins (via draft picks obtained in interim Nazi Mohammed trade)
2) Dikembe Mutombo, O. Harrington, & F. Williams become Jamaal Crawford
3) Kurt Thomas becomes Quentin Richardson & Nate Robinson (via draft pick)
4) Antonio Davis becomes Renaldo Balkman (via draft pick acquired with Jalen Rose)

http://www.cosellout.com/?p=128

let's talk

Do you consider the cost of the trade when it was made?

Like this: Balkman is a good catch, but at the cost of paying Jalen for 2 years? When a draft pick could have been had for $3M?

Randolph was just traded for the likes of Jalen, did Isiah under-utilize his assets?
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10/4/2007  10:12 AM
Posted by MODI:

--Close-minded people annoy me.

-- People who want a collection of Michael Doleacs to become Michael Jordans overnight annoy me even more

For all the isiah haters I issue the following challenge: go into NBA history and find me a GM with a similarly bad roster who truned their team around in less than 5 years. Don't hate, do some homework.


So David Lee, Balkman, Curry, Jamal, Steph are baskebtall equivalents to Michael Doleac?


WTF gives up multiple lottery picks and sacrifices Gillions in cap relief for Michael Dolaecs?


POOF POW BAM.... BE GONE!


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-04-2007 09:18 AM]
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10/4/2007  10:16 AM
"Do you consider the cost of the trade when it was made? Like this: Balkman is a good catch, but at the cost of paying Jalen for 2 years?"

No, I don't care about cost. It is not my money and we are already far over the cap so it is meaningless. That is Dolan's problem, not anyone else's. Dolan is rich enough to essential BUY Balkman via Jalen Rose. Sounds great to me and Isiah was right to go after it.

I am also a yankees fan and the Yanks are paying Clemens a ridiculous 1 million dollars per start. Do i care? Not at all. steinbrenner can afford it. it is his problem. All salary discussions need to be buried once and for all.
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10/4/2007  10:17 AM
Kool Moe-Dee

actually, you have just stimulated some compelling debate. That alone is a very good thing.



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10/4/2007  10:18 AM
H(hold)TFU

Did you just say "it's not my money"?

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10/4/2007  10:19 AM
Posted by MODI:

COSSUCKS, Up until the last few months I truly could not stand marc berman non-stop haterade. However, I have softened bt stance on hime because he seems to be changing a bit. I also have yo give him credit for being virtually the only sportswriter in town to give shine to some of the incredible community initiatives that Stephon marbury was doing. I mean, even ESPN didn't cover the fact that Marbury pledged 4 million dollars to NYC policeman, firefighters, and teachers! I have written some about Starbury's (and sarah jessica Parker's) community service here: http://www.cosellout.com/?p=11

Modi I have a problem with Marc Berman because it seems he has sold his impartiality as a columnist in exchange for access to Marbury. Instead of reporting on Marbury he now seems to promote Marbury repeatedly.
At least 3 other Knicks newspaper writers have pointed this out.

Whether I like or dislike what Berman says on a particular day it never seems credible to me anymore because I realize so many of his columns are twisted to some how make Marbury happy.

I basically see Berman and Lupica both as 95% disingenious (sp) for totally different reasons.
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10/4/2007  10:20 AM
Trueblue, i couldn't make sence of your response at all, but please spare me the cap relief discussion without first reading The salary cap myth http://www.cosellout.com/?p=131

Cap relief is not needed... ever.
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10/4/2007  10:20 AM
Then again, I might hafta take you to court for copyright infringement...
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10/4/2007  10:26 AM
those other writer are being petty AND WRONG. Berman is now doing what ALL JOURNALISTS should be doing - reporting positive stories of athletes. Berman is not the problem here it is everyone else how can't cover marbury's community service, but dare he get as much as a jaywalking ticket it will be all over the news. Throw a flag on me for excessive self promotion but I've also written how writers ignore positive stories for ridiculously dumb ones in ESPN's RAP SHEET: Pacman as Black Man http://www.cosellout.com/?p=56
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10/4/2007  10:27 AM
Posted by MODI:

Trueblue, i couldn't make sence of your response at all, but please spare me the cap relief discussion without first reading The salary cap myth http://www.cosellout.com/?p=131

Cap relief is not needed... ever.

What do you mean by "People who want a collection of Michael Doleacs to become Michael Jordans?"


Are you implying our expectations of the players we have are too high?


Cap relief is important whether you manage to embrace this fact or not. Exactly how important may be debatable.
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nice chatting with you fellas...
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10/4/2007  10:31 AM
Posted by MODI:

those other writer are being petty AND WRONG. Berman is now doing what ALL JOURNALISTS should be doing - reporting positive stories of athletes. Berman is not the problem here it is everyone else how can't cover marbury's community service, but dare he get as much as a jaywalking ticket it will be all over the news. Throw a flag on me for excessive self promotion but I've also written how writers ignore positive stories for ridiculously dumb ones in ESPN's RAP SHEET: Pacman as Black Man http://www.cosellout.com/?p=56


Modi I 100% agree many writers only write about the negative. That is horrible so I can see your point of view BUT Berman is guilty of that as well about everyone BUT Marbury so does that make him better or worse? If he is negative 90% of the time but only positive about Marbury who he clearly has some agreement with does that make him more or less credible?
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10/4/2007  10:31 AM
Posted by MODI:

--Close-minded people annoy me.

-- People who want a collection of Michael Doleacs to become Michael Jordans overnight annoy me even more

For all the isiah haters I issue the following challenge: go into NBA history and find me a GM with a similarly bad roster who truned their team around in less than 5 years. Don't hate, do some homework.

it's not like isiah didn't provide ammunition for his own criticisms.

he came here and proclaimed a virus. (we got the whole marbury/lb stuff).
then said this is a 3 year project. (so far in the 3 years, didn't crack 33 wins).
said we should contend for the atlantic but finished with 33 wins.
fired his first coach. then his second. and then his third. (what does firing a coach tell the fans? that the coach was the problem).

so you can argue - what should isiah say then? since he has to feed the media in ny, yes, he has to say something...but don't make proclamations. and don't lie...which is the first thing he said is that he would lie. now some fans cut him some slack on that but some others don't. and in the ny media, lies don't fly.

isiah is not an innocent lamb that's being ganged up upon by the so called "haters." he fed the machine.
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