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ESPN had a poll asking this and the overwhelming response was that Isiah should be fired. How will the response be on UK?
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10/2/2007  5:44 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah was found guilty in a court of law. repeat, he was found guilty in a court of law. he can appeal but that doesn't change the fact that he is guilty NOW.

why are people still going to bat for him? is this a form of sexism being exhibited by the mostly male posters on this forum?

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10/2/2007  5:45 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah was found guilty in a court of law. repeat, he was found guilty in a court of law. he can appeal but that doesn't change the fact that he is guilty NOW.

why are people still going to bat for him? is this a form of sexism being exhibited by the mostly male posters on this forum?
He was not found guilty in a court of law.

He was found liable. There is a huge difference.

liable in a civil case = guilty.
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10/2/2007  5:45 PM
he should be fired because he's made bad decisions with this team in terms of free agent signings and trades- not because 12 people were swayed into finding that MSG is a 'bad' place to work.

Dolan is guilty of being prideful, in wanting to fight the charges- when he should have swallowed his pride and paid the woman her hush money.
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10/2/2007  5:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah was found guilty in a court of law. repeat, he was found guilty in a court of law. he can appeal but that doesn't change the fact that he is guilty NOW.

why are people still going to bat for him? is this a form of sexism being exhibited by the mostly male posters on this forum?
He was not found guilty in a court of law.

He was found liable. There is a huge difference.

liable in a civil case = guilty.

There is no such thing as guilty verdict in a civil case as far as I know. I bet the jury didnt say guilty. I bet they said liable.
Liable=more likely than not in a civil case
Guilty=beyond a shadow of a doubt in a criminal case.

Nobody was found guilty. Thats just media hype trying to paint Isiah as a criminal. If liable=guilty than OJ would be in jail.

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 10-02-2007 5:50 PM]
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10/2/2007  5:48 PM

"DJ is right. Isiah is guilty."
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10/2/2007  7:21 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah was found guilty in a court of law. repeat, he was found guilty in a court of law. he can appeal but that doesn't change the fact that he is guilty NOW.

why are people still going to bat for him? is this a form of sexism being exhibited by the mostly male posters on this forum?
He was not found guilty in a court of law.

He was found liable. There is a huge difference.

liable in a civil case = guilty.

There is no such thing as guilty verdict in a civil case as far as I know. I bet the jury didnt say guilty. I bet they said liable.
Liable=more likely than not in a civil case
Guilty=beyond a shadow of a doubt in a criminal case.

Nobody was found guilty. Thats just media hype trying to paint Isiah as a criminal. If liable=guilty than OJ would be in jail.

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 10-02-2007 5:50 PM]

Yes, we all understand the difference but as dj said, in a civil case liable is the equivalent of being found guilty.

Notice Isiah kept using the word "innocent" outside the courthouse. If the jury didn't find him "innocent" of the charges, then he must have been "guilty" of something. Maybe not in the criminal system use of the word "guilty" but certainly by the simple definition of it.

I'm pretty sure that this is how people mean it, but why are you so intent on trying to prove that Isiah, Dolan and MSG weren't found guilty of sexually harassing and the wrongful termination of Anucha Brown Sanders, when in a court of law they were found liable of those charges with damages being awarded in the millions?
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10/2/2007  11:49 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah was found guilty in a court of law. repeat, he was found guilty in a court of law. he can appeal but that doesn't change the fact that he is guilty NOW.

why are people still going to bat for him? is this a form of sexism being exhibited by the mostly male posters on this forum?
He was not found guilty in a court of law.

He was found liable. There is a huge difference.

liable in a civil case = guilty.

There is no such thing as guilty verdict in a civil case as far as I know. I bet the jury didnt say guilty. I bet they said liable.
Liable=more likely than not in a civil case
Guilty=beyond a shadow of a doubt in a criminal case.

Nobody was found guilty. Thats just media hype trying to paint Isiah as a criminal. If liable=guilty than OJ would be in jail.

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 10-02-2007 5:50 PM]

Yes, we all understand the difference but as dj said, in a civil case liable is the equivalent of being found guilty.

Notice Isiah kept using the word "innocent" outside the courthouse. If the jury didn't find him "innocent" of the charges, then he must have been "guilty" of something. Maybe not in the criminal system use of the word "guilty" but certainly by the simple definition of it.

I'm pretty sure that this is how people mean it, but why are you so intent on trying to prove that Isiah, Dolan and MSG weren't found guilty of sexually harassing and the wrongful termination of Anucha Brown Sanders, when in a court of law they were found liable of those charges with damages being awarded in the millions?

if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit!

Look- I have a dim view of people- that got 12 people that couldn't get out of jury duty, who decided that big bad cablevision was evil.

its easy to present a picture of a big company as a bad thing, mean and evil.
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10/2/2007  11:52 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah was found guilty in a court of law. repeat, he was found guilty in a court of law. he can appeal but that doesn't change the fact that he is guilty NOW.

why are people still going to bat for him? is this a form of sexism being exhibited by the mostly male posters on this forum?
He was not found guilty in a court of law.

He was found liable. There is a huge difference.

liable in a civil case = guilty.

There is no such thing as guilty verdict in a civil case as far as I know. I bet the jury didnt say guilty. I bet they said liable.
Liable=more likely than not in a civil case
Guilty=beyond a shadow of a doubt in a criminal case.

Nobody was found guilty. Thats just media hype trying to paint Isiah as a criminal. If liable=guilty than OJ would be in jail.

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 10-02-2007 5:50 PM]

Yes, we all understand the difference but as dj said, in a civil case liable is the equivalent of being found guilty.

Notice Isiah kept using the word "innocent" outside the courthouse. If the jury didn't find him "innocent" of the charges, then he must have been "guilty" of something. Maybe not in the criminal system use of the word "guilty" but certainly by the simple definition of it.

I'm pretty sure that this is how people mean it, but why are you so intent on trying to prove that Isiah, Dolan and MSG weren't found guilty of sexually harassing and the wrongful termination of Anucha Brown Sanders, when in a court of law they were found liable of those charges with damages being awarded in the millions?

if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit!

Look- I have a dim view of people- that got 12 people that couldn't get out of jury duty, who decided that big bad cablevision was evil.

its easy to present a picture of a big company as a bad thing, mean and evil.

It was only 7 people and it's very easy when it's true.
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10/3/2007  12:03 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah was found guilty in a court of law. repeat, he was found guilty in a court of law. he can appeal but that doesn't change the fact that he is guilty NOW.

why are people still going to bat for him? is this a form of sexism being exhibited by the mostly male posters on this forum?
He was not found guilty in a court of law.

He was found liable. There is a huge difference.

liable in a civil case = guilty.

There is no such thing as guilty verdict in a civil case as far as I know. I bet the jury didnt say guilty. I bet they said liable.
Liable=more likely than not in a civil case
Guilty=beyond a shadow of a doubt in a criminal case.

Nobody was found guilty. Thats just media hype trying to paint Isiah as a criminal. If liable=guilty than OJ would be in jail.

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 10-02-2007 5:50 PM]

Yes, we all understand the difference but as dj said, in a civil case liable is the equivalent of being found guilty.

Notice Isiah kept using the word "innocent" outside the courthouse. If the jury didn't find him "innocent" of the charges, then he must have been "guilty" of something. Maybe not in the criminal system use of the word "guilty" but certainly by the simple definition of it.

I'm pretty sure that this is how people mean it, but why are you so intent on trying to prove that Isiah, Dolan and MSG weren't found guilty of sexually harassing and the wrongful termination of Anucha Brown Sanders, when in a court of law they were found liable of those charges with damages being awarded in the millions?

if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit!

I can't wait for Isiah's tell-all memoir, "If I Did it: Confessions of a Scumbag."
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10/3/2007  12:25 AM
I cannot really visualize this.
Game is on. Knicks are playing at the Garden.
Coach/GM Isiah is in the bench directing players.
Women, kids are in the stands... They look at Isiah who liable of calling his fellow employee black b and h... The announcers from all teams also know this and... They have some material every game…
The bit writers know this... and they heave the material...
How organization can operate in these conditions? Why it should?
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10/3/2007  12:32 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

But not in relation to this trial, he should have been fired right after his second season. The trial confirms why he should be fired that's all.

yep.
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10/3/2007  12:55 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I know this is a stupid question but...

Is sexual harassment usually grounds for dismissal?

Papabear Says

Not if you are the boss. Hey guys this ain't over. This case may take up to 3 years or more. They are appealing the ruling ane it probably will be overturned. This is he said and she said. How did the jury come up with the verdick. Ms Bryant ain't gonna see no money for a long time.
Like I said before some of you guys should start rooting for another team. As for me, I will be at Madison square garden. Imus aught to count his blessings that none of Rutgers basketball players didn't sue him. I will be at the Knicks opening game with all of those thousand of fans yelling and root for the Knicks. If Zeke have a winning record and he makes the playoffs he will be a king and the fans will love him except the fakers on the forum.

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10/3/2007  1:00 AM
Posted by arkrud:

I cannot really visualize this.
Game is on. Knicks are playing at the Garden.
Coach/GM Isiah is in the bench directing players.
Women, kids are in the stands... They look at Isiah who liable of calling his fellow employee black b and h... The announcers from all teams also know this and... They have some material every game…
The bit writers know this... and they heave the material...
How organization can operate in these conditions? Why it should?

Papabear Says

Have you watched tv lately??? Or the latest rap music or hip hop cloths?? What do you think this is the 50 s. Watch some of the latest video games. Zeke will look like a saint. these kids today are exposed to so much stuff Zeke will look like a boy scout.

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10/3/2007  1:04 AM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah was found guilty in a court of law. repeat, he was found guilty in a court of law. he can appeal but that doesn't change the fact that he is guilty NOW.

why are people still going to bat for him? is this a form of sexism being exhibited by the mostly male posters on this forum?
He was not found guilty in a court of law.

He was found liable. There is a huge difference.

liable in a civil case = guilty.

There is no such thing as guilty verdict in a civil case as far as I know. I bet the jury didnt say guilty. I bet they said liable.
Liable=more likely than not in a civil case
Guilty=beyond a shadow of a doubt in a criminal case.

Nobody was found guilty. Thats just media hype trying to paint Isiah as a criminal. If liable=guilty than OJ would be in jail.

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 10-02-2007 5:50 PM]

Yes, we all understand the difference but as dj said, in a civil case liable is the equivalent of being found guilty.

Notice Isiah kept using the word "innocent" outside the courthouse. If the jury didn't find him "innocent" of the charges, then he must have been "guilty" of something. Maybe not in the criminal system use of the word "guilty" but certainly by the simple definition of it.

I'm pretty sure that this is how people mean it, but why are you so intent on trying to prove that Isiah, Dolan and MSG weren't found guilty of sexually harassing and the wrongful termination of Anucha Brown Sanders, when in a court of law they were found liable of those charges with damages being awarded in the millions?

if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit!

I can't wait for Isiah's tell-all memoir, "If I Did it: Confessions of a Scumbag."

Papabear Says

Why don't you guys get over it!!!Zeke ain't going no where. The appeal may take years and Ms Bryant won't see a dime. so sit back and enjoy the ride.



[Edited by - Papabear on 10-03-2007 01:07 AM]
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Posted by Papabear:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah was found guilty in a court of law. repeat, he was found guilty in a court of law. he can appeal but that doesn't change the fact that he is guilty NOW.

why are people still going to bat for him? is this a form of sexism being exhibited by the mostly male posters on this forum?
He was not found guilty in a court of law.

He was found liable. There is a huge difference.

liable in a civil case = guilty.

There is no such thing as guilty verdict in a civil case as far as I know. I bet the jury didnt say guilty. I bet they said liable.
Liable=more likely than not in a civil case
Guilty=beyond a shadow of a doubt in a criminal case.

Nobody was found guilty. Thats just media hype trying to paint Isiah as a criminal. If liable=guilty than OJ would be in jail.

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 10-02-2007 5:50 PM]

Yes, we all understand the difference but as dj said, in a civil case liable is the equivalent of being found guilty.

Notice Isiah kept using the word "innocent" outside the courthouse. If the jury didn't find him "innocent" of the charges, then he must have been "guilty" of something. Maybe not in the criminal system use of the word "guilty" but certainly by the simple definition of it.

I'm pretty sure that this is how people mean it, but why are you so intent on trying to prove that Isiah, Dolan and MSG weren't found guilty of sexually harassing and the wrongful termination of Anucha Brown Sanders, when in a court of law they were found liable of those charges with damages being awarded in the millions?

if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit!

I can't wait for Isiah's tell-all memoir, "If I Did it: Confessions of a Scumbag."

Papabear Says

Why don't you guys get over it!!!Zeke ain't going no where. The appeal may take years and Ms Bryant won't see a dime. so sit back and enjoy the ride.



[Edited by - Papabear on 10-03-2007 01:07 AM]

I am enjoying the ride. Its one hell of a ride.
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10/3/2007  1:32 AM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BasketballJones:

I know this is a stupid question but...

Is sexual harassment usually grounds for dismissal?

Papabear Says

Not if you are the boss. Hey guys this ain't over. This case may take up to 3 years or more. They are appealing the ruling ane it probably will be overturned. This is he said and she said. How did the jury come up with the verdick. Ms Bryant ain't gonna see no money for a long time.
Like I said before some of you guys should start rooting for another team. As for me, I will be at Madison square garden. Imus aught to count his blessings that none of Rutgers basketball players didn't sue him. I will be at the Knicks opening game with all of those thousand of fans yelling and root for the Knicks. If Zeke have a winning record and he makes the playoffs he will be a king and the fans will love him except the fakers on the forum.

Papabear

You have right to love Isiah and I have right to hate him.
He represent to me all that man should not be.
I guess you think he is all man should be proud off.
And this is the major difference between us.
The fact that he is Knicks GM/coach makes it even worth for me. He spoiled the place I like and he will not be forgiven.







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10/3/2007  1:38 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BasketballJones:

I know this is a stupid question but...

Is sexual harassment usually grounds for dismissal?

Papabear Says

Not if you are the boss. Hey guys this ain't over. This case may take up to 3 years or more. They are appealing the ruling ane it probably will be overturned. This is he said and she said. How did the jury come up with the verdick. Ms Bryant ain't gonna see no money for a long time.
Like I said before some of you guys should start rooting for another team. As for me, I will be at Madison square garden. Imus aught to count his blessings that none of Rutgers basketball players didn't sue him. I will be at the Knicks opening game with all of those thousand of fans yelling and root for the Knicks. If Zeke have a winning record and he makes the playoffs he will be a king and the fans will love him except the fakers on the forum.

Papabear

You have right to love Isiah and I have right to hate him.
He represent to me all that man should not be.I guess you think he is all man should be proud off.
And this is the major difference between us.
The fact that he is Knicks GM/coach makes it even worth for me. He spoiled the place I like and he will not be forgiven.

Don't you think this is just a tad strong? I'm in the hater camp front and center but, to quote Earl, Isiah is not the debbil. He's just an incompetent, moronic sexual harasser and otherwise deplorable human being.
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10/3/2007  6:54 AM
I don't want Isiah fired now, not a this time.

Zeke has always says he likes to perform under pressure situations.

Isiah is now inside of a george Foreman grill and all the grease will be released so now he has to win.

The question now is will the players handle the pressure that Isiah is under and win for him and themselves.
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10/3/2007  9:26 AM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BasketballJones:

I know this is a stupid question but...

Is sexual harassment usually grounds for dismissal?

Papabear Says

Not if you are the boss. Hey guys this ain't over. This case may take up to 3 years or more. They are appealing the ruling ane it probably will be overturned. This is he said and she said. How did the jury come up with the verdick. Ms Bryant ain't gonna see no money for a long time.
Like I said before some of you guys should start rooting for another team. As for me, I will be at Madison square garden. Imus aught to count his blessings that none of Rutgers basketball players didn't sue him. I will be at the Knicks opening game with all of those thousand of fans yelling and root for the Knicks. If Zeke have a winning record and he makes the playoffs he will be a king and the fans will love him except the fakers on the forum.

Papabear

On what grounds do you think the verdict will "probably be overturned"?

Why exactly are you so behind Isiah staying here, no matter what he does?

Hmmm, I wonder what it could be.
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10/3/2007  10:54 AM
I could care less if Isiah is guilty or not. I don't know the man and could give two flying fahoots about him. Same in regards to Dolan. REgardless of the outcome of the trial the damage is done in my view. Once again we look like an undignified, poorly run organization. When will it end?

All I ask is for us to fire our coaches with dignity so that other coaches will want to come coach for us. All I ask is that we fire our front office people with dignity so that other good front office people will want to come work for us. All I ask is that when we cheat on our spouses we cheat with someone far removed from our organization and not soil our own interns. Regardless of the outcome of this trial, we need to make changes.
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