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Nalod
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10/2/2007  12:20 PM

Nix is either a MSG mole or really wishes things were differnt.

Reality bits.
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10/2/2007  12:23 PM
I think something good has come out of this. While we're all focused on Isiah and Dolan, the players are able to focus on just playing basketball without all the usual scrutiny.

So we don't notice how fat Eddy Curry is.

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10/2/2007  12:26 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Nix is either a MSG mole or really wishes things were differnt.

Reality bits.

I think nixluva got fired too.
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10/2/2007  12:31 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Nalod:


Nix is either a MSG mole or really wishes things were differnt.

Reality bits.

I think nixluva got fired too.

He gets extended. He made credible progress here. UK is youthier and more athleticier.
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10/2/2007  12:40 PM
I’ve said here often that Isiah should get one more season (perhaps a half season) to make things work and if not he should be gone.

The outcome of the trial doesn’t change that opinion. If the guys he puts on the floor can’t find a way to win, he should go down with them. If they do, he deserves the chance to coach them and stare down his detractors.

Dolan’s organization is a mess, has been for some time. Maybe that enabled Isiah and Marbury to behave in ways that wouldn’t have been tolerated in better run organizations. My gut is that really, it’s that better run organizations don’t let stuff like this come to light.

Doesn’t make what Isiah or Stephon did right, just if you are holding those two up as lone wrongdoers in this league, you are naïve. Personally, I think anyone that holds sports figures up as role models, anyone who is shocked to discover that these guys are subject to the same foibles as the rest of us humans, is naïve.

My question with any affair that involves these guys is always “What does this have to do with basketball?” A-Rod cheated on his wife on the road…”What does this have to do with baseball”. Tom Brady has a baby out of wed-lock “What does this have to do with football?” I find it curious that with the guys that win, the answer is “nothing”, with the guys that lose its “everything”.

I happen to work at a firm whose namesake was successfully prosecuted several times for sexual harassment. It effects how I think of him as a person, doesn’t effect what I think of his work.

I look to that in forming my opinion about Isiah, and thinking yes, he deserves a shot at making Marbury, Curry, Randolph and Crawford work.
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10/2/2007  12:47 PM

Thomas should be fired as President based on his guilty verdict.

This should not be even a thought put to it. You don't keep people employed who are found guilty of harrassment. Its wrong, and at the very least your liable as hell going forward. Companies are supposed to punish them when they are found guilty in a court of law. He broke the law.

His Mother must be so proud! And his wife and children!

Isiah has left a long trail of executive failure in his wake!
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10/2/2007  12:49 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

I’ve said here often that Isiah should get one more season (perhaps a half season) to make things work and if not he should be gone.

The outcome of the trial doesn’t change that opinion. If the guys he puts on the floor can’t find a way to win, he should go down with them. If they do, he deserves the chance to coach them and stare down his detractors.

I think you're looking at it from the outside in (players collected, win-loss record) rather than the inside out (indulging the wrong players (and the players wrongly), incapable of hiring the right coach or working with him, hostility towards co-workers, etc).

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10/2/2007  1:02 PM
Posted by tkf:

If the jury wants to be fair and just, then anything awareded to her over 1 million would be criminal on their behalf...... With the evidence I heard in this case, I really don't see how they even came to that conclusion.. but whatever...


tkf, the jury wont simply be awarding her for the pain of hearing the words "bitch" and "ho", that's worth about 50 cent (no pun intended). They'll be awarding her for the loss of income and the setback to her career for being, in their eyes, wrongfully terminated. before isiah came along she was considered a fast-track executive with a very high ceiling, but that ceiling came crashing down when Isiah declared himself the new sheriff in town and played shoot 'em up with everyone in his path.
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10/2/2007  1:14 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by RemBee76:

I’ve said here often that Isiah should get one more season (perhaps a half season) to make things work and if not he should be gone.

The outcome of the trial doesn’t change that opinion. If the guys he puts on the floor can’t find a way to win, he should go down with them. If they do, he deserves the chance to coach them and stare down his detractors.

I think you're looking at it from the outside in (players collected, win-loss record) rather than the inside out (indulging the wrong players (and the players wrongly), incapable of hiring the right coach or working with him, hostility towards co-workers, etc).

Half a season with a winning record is like spray paint over rusty metal: it's just a matter of time until the weak underbelly reveals itself again.

Rem, plenty of the so-called "negative posters" on this site have given Isiah 1 more year to make things work just like you, only we did so a year ago... now we get an offseason filled with a nonsensical cap killing trade that just shows that he's learned absolutely nothing from his past mistakes, & now to cap it all off we get this black mark on the franchise to add to the embarassment... so when do you say enough's enough & figure out that this just isn't working & we need to go another direction? so we give it 1 more year & then it's OK to be down on this management in your eyes?
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10/2/2007  1:16 PM
Dolan is that weak underbelly, Blueseats, firing Thomas isn't going to change that.

Thomas' job is to get wins. He does that, he has done his job.
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10/2/2007  1:18 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Thomas' job is to get wins. He does that, he has done his job.
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10/2/2007  1:21 PM
Posted by TMS:
so we give it 1 more year & then it's OK to be down on this management in your eyes?

I think its OK to be down on management when we no longer see progress. I saw progress last year and if the team doesn't build on that they need to bring in someone who can, that simple.

I think a lot of people here have been down on Isiah from the start because he didn't break down the team and rebuild. I don't think that was ever an option for him. Start from there, and try to move this team forward. Thats the best anyone could have done.
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10/2/2007  1:28 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:

If the jury wants to be fair and just, then anything awareded to her over 1 million would be criminal on their behalf...... With the evidence I heard in this case, I really don't see how they even came to that conclusion.. but whatever...


tkf, the jury wont simply be awarding her for the pain of hearing the words "bitch" and "ho", that's worth about 50 cent (no pun intended). They'll be awarding her for the loss of income and the setback to her career for being, in their eyes, wrongfully terminated. before isiah came along she was considered a fast-track executive with a very high ceiling, but that ceiling came crashing down when Isiah declared himself the new sheriff in town and played shoot 'em up with everyone in his path.

I agree to some extent, but the testimony of here incompetence had to come into play and Isiah had nothing to do with that. This was a sneaky, overzealous, ambitious woman who ran into someone with the same traits but much more power, and was willing to make sure she understood that. could this have been handled better? of course and that should have been done by mills, that other incomopetent boob. But there is no doubt in my mind that she started falling off in her duties, she used MSG expenses as part of a tax fraud scam, something she never denied or had an answer for. dolan jumped the gun firing her, but she was deserving of being fired just for that action alone. I don't care about here fast track, she derailed that herself, and Honestly two years salary is the most she should get!
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10/2/2007  1:40 PM
Here’s the written statement from Thomas just issued by Madison Square Garden:

“I am extremely disappointed that the jury failed to see the truth in this case – that I never sexually harassed Anucha Browne-Sanders and had nothing to do with her being fired. I didn’t do what she said I did. I am innocent. I remain confident in the truth – and am committed to appealing this decision and clearing my good name. During this period, I will focus on the basketball operations of the New York Knicks, and will have no further comment on this case.”

Below is a statement from Madison Square Garden relating to today’s verdict:

“We believe that the jury’s decision was incorrect and plan to vigorously appeal the verdict. We look forward to presenting our arguments to an appeals court, and believe they will agree that no sexual harassment took place and MSG acted properly. The normal operations of Madison Square Garden and the New York Knicks will continue unabated and we will have no further comment until the appeals process has concluded.”
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10/2/2007  1:40 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:

If the jury wants to be fair and just, then anything awareded to her over 1 million would be criminal on their behalf...... With the evidence I heard in this case, I really don't see how they even came to that conclusion.. but whatever...


tkf, the jury wont simply be awarding her for the pain of hearing the words "bitch" and "ho", that's worth about 50 cent (no pun intended). They'll be awarding her for the loss of income and the setback to her career for being, in their eyes, wrongfully terminated. before isiah came along she was considered a fast-track executive with a very high ceiling, but that ceiling came crashing down when Isiah declared himself the new sheriff in town and played shoot 'em up with everyone in his path.

I agree to some extent, but the testimony of here incompetence had to come into play and Isiah had nothing to do with that. This was a sneaky, overzealous, ambitious woman who ran into someone with the same traits but much more power, and was willing to make sure she understood that. could this have been handled better? of course and that should have been done by mills, that other incomopetent boob. But there is no doubt in my mind that she started falling off in her duties, she used MSG expenses as part of a tax fraud scam, something she never denied or had an answer for. dolan jumped the gun firing her, but she was deserving of being fired just for that action alone. I don't care about here fast track, she derailed that herself, and Honestly two years salary is the most she should get!

If she was so incompetent, how come the bonuses and raises? Sure, she was ambitious and probably bull-headed, nothing wrong with that.

Why is there no doubt in your mind that she started falling off in her duties, and what does the tax thing have to do with her duties at MSG?
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10/2/2007  1:41 PM


With the latest off the court trouble, I know announce Isiah officially a 2007 new york knickerbocker
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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10/2/2007  1:41 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
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so we give it 1 more year & then it's OK to be down on this management in your eyes?

I think its OK to be down on management when we no longer see progress. I saw progress last year and if the team doesn't build on that they need to bring in someone who can, that simple.

I think a lot of people here have been down on Isiah from the start because he didn't break down the team and rebuild. I don't think that was ever an option for him. Start from there, and try to move this team forward. Thats the best anyone could have done.
after a disaster year (franchise worst) resulting from players and coaches the GM selected from we go from worst to bad. Thats progress? Improvement from what? We have played terrible basketball under Isiah. All we get are excuses. Its depressing. 3 1/2 years is LONG TIME in sports.

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10/2/2007  1:42 PM
Posted by tkf:

If the jury wants to be fair and just, then anything awareded to her over 1 million would be criminal on their behalf...... With the evidence I heard in this case, I really don't see how they even came to that conclusion.. but whatever...

TKF why you discussing the dollars because it don't make cents?


All of this could and should have been avoided. It's like cause and effect. Your disdain should be directed at the suits not Anooka. We live a sue happy greedy society therefore in situations like these it's best to weigh the advantages vs the disadvantages. Some things were embellished on both sides but nonetheless the trial exposed things that the devoted fan didn't need to know nor should they had to. And just as much you expect the jury to decide a certain way, what about this management group holding a press conference to apologize to the fans and all their employees for having an unsuitable work environment and displaying a poor product at MSG the past several yrs? Now that would be just. Your arguing over the semantics of the trial is trivial at best.
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10/2/2007  1:43 PM
I do not mind a fair award if that is what is justice in this case. I do not think a fair award would be anything more than 1-3 years severance pay.

I do have a problem with this:

Set up an all white jury
ABS teams implies to the all white jury that Isiah hates white people more than once.

This case wasnt about race but multiple times ABS's team sort to throw out racial regarding Isiah and white people. What possible reason could they have had other than to make the all white jury partial against Isiah?
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10/2/2007  1:44 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by TMS:
so we give it 1 more year & then it's OK to be down on this management in your eyes?

I think its OK to be down on management when we no longer see progress. I saw progress last year and if the team doesn't build on that they need to bring in someone who can, that simple.

I think a lot of people here have been down on Isiah from the start because he didn't break down the team and rebuild. I don't think that was ever an option for him. Start from there, and try to move this team forward. Thats the best anyone could have done.


I know that I for one was NOT down on Isiah from the start. I got down on him after he brought in overpaid-underachieving after overpaid-underachieving vet.
MoT ($10MM), Jalen($16MM), Malik($8MM), Francis ($16MM), TT($14MM), etc. etc.
LOOK AT THAT SALARY! And not even one of them even ever deserved a starting lineup position! And just by themselves, hit the salary cap. That's bad vision!
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